Lorraine Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Not to worry. Dilemma solved. Permanent Waves will be included in my latest seventies' poll. Zumbi withdrew his vote and is abstaining from voting in future threads in protest. :) Edited June 24, 2015 by Lorraine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) I've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 album Edited June 24, 2015 by Geddy's Soul Patch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlySignals Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 It's kinda both. You can have your own option, and what not. It sounds like an 80's album, and technically it is, but it was recorded in 1979. I call it a 70's album if I'm referring to the recording or writing, and an 80's album if I'm referring to release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 It's kinda both. You can have your own option, and what not. It sounds like an 80's album, and technically it is, but it was recorded in 1979. I call it a 70's album if I'm referring to the recording or writing, and an 80's album if I'm referring to release date.You should run for political office. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicHead Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Segue Myles, another brilliant man. Excellent points, you have earned a cool beverage in the warm sun. Accompany that with some Girls in their Summer Clothes on the "radio". Thank you! It's true though, if a new decade begins with a 0 year, then going back in time one should find a year 0. And we count with one being the smallest numerical digit, with 0 representing nothing. But if a 0 is used at the end, it represents a whole number, something of weight and substance. Babylonian scribe: Oh my GOD!! I've just invented the Zero!! Wife [Down the hall]: What was that?!! Babylonian scribe: Nothing...nothing..... To be technical, the Arabs invented the 0. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Was there a year 0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabesCavesOfIce Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 albumI've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 album Yet the men that wrote, recorded and produced the record deliberately went out of their way to wait for 1980. Deliberately wrote and recorded the songs with a "1980s" sensibility. So yeah, lets ignore Rush on this one ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 albumI've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 album Yet the men that wrote, recorded and produced the record deliberately went out of their way to wait for 1980. Deliberately wrote and recorded the songs with a "1980s" sensibility. So yeah, lets ignore Rush on this one ;) Like I have already said, the release date doesn't matter; neither does the style of music. I hope you realize that they didn't know what was going to happen in the 80s, so I don't think they were writing with a "1980s sensibility." Either way, Natural Science doesn't quite remind me of Simple Minds. Edited June 25, 2015 by Geddy's Soul Patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Either way, Natural Science doesn't quite remind me of Simple Minds. Don't you forget about me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavesandWindows Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I don't know the answer. All I know is that, since I count it as both, I was able to talk about it in class for the music of the 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 albumI've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 album Yet the men that wrote, recorded and produced the record deliberately went out of their way to wait for 1980. Deliberately wrote and recorded the songs with a "1980s" sensibility. So yeah, lets ignore Rush on this one ;) Like I have already said, the release date doesn't matter; neither does the style of music. I hope you realize that they didn't know what was going to happen in the 80s, so I don't think they were writing with a "1980s sensibility." Either way, Natural Science doesn't quite remind me of Simple Minds.I took that post as sarcasm. If not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WorkingAllTheTime Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 *This* thread is the reason so many other music fans hate us! :D We are arguing about math and the definition of time (Segue is correct, by the way, decades and millenia begin in year "1"), whereas fans of other bands often don't even own a watch! How about this.... can we all agree that Permanent Waves was a *GREAT* album, regardless of its decade? ;) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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laughedatbytime Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 *This* thread is the reason so many other music fans hate us! :D We are arguing about math and the definition of time (Segue is correct, by the way, decades and millenia begin in year "1"), whereas fans of other bands often don't even own a watch! How about this.... can we all agree that Permanent Waves was a *GREAT* album, regardless of its decade? ;)Actually, decades, centuries, and millenia begin continuously (an infinite number of them in the time I took to write this post). The eighth decade of what is commonly referred to as the twentieth century did indeed begin on 1/1/1971. The seventies, on the other hand, is commonly taken as the decade that began on 1/1/1970 and 12/31/1979; that's why it's called the seventies. As far as other people hating us, that's perfectly OK with me. Those people probably hate the transcendent Permanent Waves as well, regardless of the decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lorraine Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Maybe they released it on January 1, 1980 for tax purposes. So whatever income the album would generate would count for 1979. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Anyway, when I listen to it, it's a half and half album to my ears. Some songs belong to the 70's Rush, and the other songs introduce the Rush of the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabesCavesOfIce Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) I've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 albumI've yet to see anyone offer a valid argument for why PeW would be considered an 80s album. When it was released means absolutely NOTHING! Rush could have released it yesterday if they wanted to, but that wouldn't make it a 2015 album Yet the men that wrote, recorded and produced the record deliberately went out of their way to wait for 1980. Deliberately wrote and recorded the songs with a "1980s" sensibility. So yeah, lets ignore Rush on this one ;) Like I have already said, the release date doesn't matter; neither does the style of music. I hope you realize that they didn't know what was going to happen in the 80s, so I don't think they were writing with a "1980s sensibility." Either way, Natural Science doesn't quite remind me of Simple Minds.I took that post as sarcasm. If not... Yeah labt, it really doesnt matter, its just fun differing on opinion. Rush has spoken at length how they were influenced by the new wave bands and how that influence impacted their music on PeW and the records that followed. I think most musicians and fans knew that the epic prog and classic rock era was in the midst of a substantial change in late 1979, thus 80s sensibility. We know Rush began to write more concise tunes, and more new wavish instrumentation and style on PeW. All speak to "80s sensibility" ;). And they chose to wait until 1980 to release. But since PeW has JL and NS, its a perfect bridge ������ from 70s to 80s. Regarding theNat Sci comment, you don't hear new wave influence in that song?? Ah,there's a new thread !I always took the new wave influence to be a reaction to the opprobrium of the critics who had embraced the early new wave artists, the line "computerized clinics for superior cynics who dance to a synthetic band" being Rush's response to them, as well as the album title being a reaction to the transitory nature of new wave as compared to the permanence of the music they were making. Since then I've heard interviews (contemporaneous to the time) that the members of Rush had positive things to say about at least certain new wave artists so this may not have been their position. As far as the album being released on the first day of the 80s, is there any evidence that it was the members of Rush who drove that decision? Usually it's the record company that does. I recall Alex sayin way back he wanted them to wait on purpose to 1-1-1980. I believe the record was ready a couple ������ weeks before. .Since radio stations had it and played it prior to 1-1-80, it probably was ready beforehand. Probably quite a bit more than two weeks. In the 1970s. They recorded in The fall of 79 and played some PeW warn up dates before recording the album, SoR and freewill. So it was played live in before Pew was released. . Edited June 28, 2015 by Gabrielgil513 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 No need for this senseless debate. The answer is in the link below. Now go get a life! http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/94338-a-great-truth-must-be-told/#entry3614002 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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