Del_Duio Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) If any of you are DT fans (I know some here are) and have seen their most recent DVD release "Breaking the Fourth Wall" you may know that they went back during post-production and tweaked some of James' vocals in places to put them more on key. I don't think it was a straight up autotune or anything but whatever it was they did it and to be honest it makes the whole thing sound killer. I'm not suggesting that they turned the thing on and left it on the whole concert, just for a few instances to help correct his notes. Though Geddy's singing has improved since the last couple tours, I wonder- especially if this *is* the final tour or DVD- if he would OK the use of something similar before its release? The best reference I can give you is the comparison between something like 'The Fourth Wall" vs. "Live at Budokhan", the latter being 100% non-tweaked vocally and almost painful to listen to after the 2nd or 3rd song. Would you rather have a final goodbye concert as it is you might watch once or twice, or if the guys themselves OK'd a few touch ups afterwards to have something really memorable to watch forever? As an added bonus, Alex would have an opportunity to go back and fix anything he felt he didn't nail on these nights due to his arthritis. Not trying to stir the pot, but was curious how anyone else felt about the possibility. Edited June 16, 2015 by Del_Duio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadwar Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Leave it the way it is for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthebeam Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I don't believe Rush will do anything other than get the vocals to sound the best they can with what was recorded on those nights. Mostly because they haven't done anything with the 5 previous concert releases, as far as I know and can tell. To quote roadwar: "Leave it the way it is for me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'd rather they fixed it up so it was listenable/watchable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If any of you are DT fans (I know some here are) and have seen their most recent DVD release "Breaking the Fourth Wall" you may know that they went back during post-production and tweaked some of James' vocals in places to put them more on key. I don't think it was a straight up autotune or anything but whatever it was they did it and to be honest it makes the whole thing sound killer. I'm not suggesting that they turned the thing on and left it on the whole concert, just for a few instances to help correct his notes. Though Geddy's singing has improved since the last couple tours, I wonder- especially if this *is* the final tour or DVD- if he would OK the use of something similar before its release? The best reference I can give you is the comparison between something like 'The Fourth Wall" vs. "Live at Budokhan", the latter being 100% non-tweaked vocally and almost painful to listen to after the 2nd or 3rd song. Would you rather have a final goodbye concert as it is you might watch once or twice, or if the guys themselves OK'd a few touch ups afterwards to have something really memorable to watch forever? As an added bonus, Alex would have an opportunity to go back and fix anything he felt he didn't nail on these nights due to his arthritis. Not trying to stir the pot, but was curious how anyone else felt about the possibility.Not opposed to the idea. Take the best sounding songs from the stint I say...use those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthebeam Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 then they might as well just go into the studio and play the whole concert live and get as many shots as they need to get it perfect. It's live, it's contained in 2 nights, not over the whole tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 then they might as well just go into the studio and play the whole concert live and get as many shots as they need to get it perfect. It's live, it's contained in 2 nights, not over the whole tour. I think if it's a major flub or if something sounds really off they should fix it. They've been having a lot of technical glitches this tour. I'm sure they'd want the recording to represent their best effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clem Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 they always fix up their live recordings somewhat. I think all bands do. I remember some of the performances on Different Stages sounded a lot different that some of the boots from the (supposedly) same show. Clem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthebeam Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I agree EagleMoon, it's just going to the extreme that I find ridiculous, especially in regards to Geddy's vocals. They(Rush), deliver amazing live concerts, don't try to polish every note or vocal. Clem I agree with you also, but when a Band releases a live album, you should expect them to tweek the recorded audio, along the same way they do it when recording in the studio. Imagine how records would sound if they just released what they captured on tape and then mixed to achieve what we listen to when we press play. Then we would have something to bitch about for real! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk98 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 they always fix up their live recordings somewhat. I think all bands do. I remember some of the performances on Different Stages sounded a lot different that some of the boots from the (supposedly) same show. ClemThey weren't all from the same show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vital signz Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If Geddy sings anything like he did in Columbus, he wouldn't need autotune. Best I have heard him in over 6 tours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clem Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 they always fix up their live recordings somewhat. I think all bands do. I remember some of the performances on Different Stages sounded a lot different that some of the boots from the (supposedly) same show. ClemThey weren't all from the same show.Yup. Am aware. I'm thinking specifically of the performance of The Analog Kid. It's been awhile, so I don't remember all the details. Clem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Facsimile Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 At least they won't go in and completely re-record vocals a la Dave Mustaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'd rather they fixed it up so it was listenable/watchable. Hate to say it but I agree. I can't watch/listen to the last few concert shows because poor Ged's struggles with the high notes. I really hate it for him but that's how I feel about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'd rather they fixed it up so it was listenable/watchable. Hate to say it but I agree. I can't watch/listen to the last few concert shows because poor Ged's struggles with the high notes. I really hate it for him but that's how I feel about it. Exactly. Fix it up if it needs it so it's something we enjoy to view over and over. If you're going to stop touring, leave us something good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I guess it would depend on how well the touch ups are done and how much of the original recording is maintained. Van Halen's Live:Right Here, Right Now was 99% redone, and doesn't even feel like a live recording. With the latest DT release, it definitely has kept the live feel intact, and you can only notice the touch ups on a few spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordercollie Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( I guess we'll see. Hopefully the next show is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleAgent33 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( Something went that wrong during the first set? What happened exactly. Haven't found any reviews of the first Toronto show yet. I saw Rush on this tour, and have seen various videos, everything I heard sounded fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( Something went that wrong during the first set? What happened exactly. Haven't found any reviews of the first Toronto show yet. I saw Rush on this tour, and have seen various videos, everything I heard sounded fine. Off the top of my head...Alex was missing a lot of obvious notes in his solos. Geddy started Subdivisions in the wrong key. Something was wrong with one of Neil's drum triggers. Geddy's bass was tuned wrong at the beginning of Headlong Flight and he had to exchange it for another, which took much longer than it should have. Edited June 18, 2015 by EagleMoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleAgent33 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( Something went that wrong during the first set? What happened exactly. Haven't found any reviews of the first Toronto show yet. I saw Rush on this tour, and have seen various videos, everything I heard sounded fine. Off the top of my head...Alex was missing a lot of obvious notes in his solos. Geddy started Subdivisions in the wrong key. Something was wrong with one of Neil's drum triggers. Geddy's bass was tuned wrong at the beginning of Headlong Flight and he had to exchange it for another, which took much longer than it should have. Damn age catching up, and technology not working! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Touch-ups won't help tonight's first set. More like a makeover. :( Something went that wrong during the first set? What happened exactly. Haven't found any reviews of the first Toronto show yet. I saw Rush on this tour, and have seen various videos, everything I heard sounded fine. Off the top of my head...Alex was missing a lot of obvious notes in his solos. Geddy started Subdivisions in the wrong key. Something was wrong with one of Neil's drum triggers. Geddy's bass was tuned wrong at the beginning of Headlong Flight and he had to exchange it for another, which took much longer than it should have. Damn age catching up, and technology not working! Yeah no kidding. I know Alex really messed up the guitar solo in Roll The Bones, so doubt they'll be using that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordercollie Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Everything from Permanent Waves to the end seemed pretty consistent compared to the rest of the tour though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djake13 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I've noticed a limited wardrobe on the boys this tour. Perhaps that's so they can pull footage from previous shows? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 if you're wondering if they've ever touched up things, they have. REALLY obvious autotune on the entire replay box set, and especially obvious on Spirit of Radio's Chorus in ASOH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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