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Not-buying-tickets-until-I-see-the-setlist crew, checking in.

 

Are there a handful of songs played that would allow you to attend?...or

 

Are there a handful of songs played that would not allow you to attend?

 

Just trying to figure out your angle on waiting to know the setlist before you decide to see Rush perform live.

 

I am well aware of GeminiRising79 'angle' in the past...just wondering if things have changed... :facepalm:

 

Basically it comes down to the ratio of "great" songs to "bad" ones, and, the magnitude of how bad the bad songs are. By and large, songs played from 2000-on, imo, comprise dead spots in the show. If there are enough of these bombs peppered into the setlist, I'm out. Simple as that.

 

Fair enough...It seems you're not into the newer (post 2000/last 15 yrs.) songs played either at home or live. Can't complain about that...you like what you like.

 

I do think your window of opportunity to like, or at least allow yourself to enjoy a setlist, is closing fast. Sure, they'll play some older stuff, but with La Villa not cutting it for you, I'm not sure your desired ratio will even come close.

 

So...The odds are you won't want to see them live and you don't really like too much of Rush's music over the past 15 years....and yet still you're here 'contributing' to a Rush Fan site.

 

Bizarre....In my opinion.

 

I'm hoping for a great finale from Rush which includes a playlist of mostly pre-'97 songs (or better yet, those of no later than '86). If they can't put something down for this tour that's greatly reflective of their glory era, then I can no longer carry the torch for them. They're a great band and have made an incredibly exciting and fabulous run from '74 to '86 (imo), it would be sinful to keep diluting out their setlists with bland, end-of-career monotony.

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The only way for Rush to redeem itself is to fire that nitwit Peart, re-hire Rutsey, and return to playing in Toronto bars on Friday nights.

 

Of course that would involve the invention of a time machine...

 

Maybe we should all whine about the lack of time machines?

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The only way for Rush to redeem itself is to fire that nitwit Peart, re-hire Rutsey, and return to playing in Toronto bars on Friday nights.

 

Of course that would involve the invention of a time machine...

 

Maybe we should all whine about the lack of time machines?

 

Or.... a Rush Walking Dead.

 

Oops. Was that in bad taste? Sorry. :P

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anyone think it's funny that gemini apparently decided to walk out during the time machine tour RIGHT BEFORE they played 4 songs from the 70s?

 

Hemispheres and Fly By Night weren't part of it. NOT GOOD ENOUGH MANG

 

yeah, no shit. jeez, the whole encore was la villa and working man and gemini was STILL pissed.

 

I burned out on live La Villa at the '81 MP tour.

 

Gemini - I actually applaud you, fwiw, for being so patient despite the constant slings and arrows. It's easy to lash out in a forum i.e. the OP.

 

However, your post above was hilarious!

For sure. He's full of gems! :notworthy:
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Burned out on La Villa?

 

Who does that? <--- genuinely puzzled.

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Concert ticket buying is not a socialist exercise.

 

ha - for sure! :D

 

However, it is also not a "free market" if the group selling the tickets colludes with another group to effectively fix prices at a much higher level before they are even offered to the market. This becomes a sort of "crony capitalism".

 

Yes, brokers have been around for decades (and yes, I had learned to work around it.) However, it's been taken to a new magnitude as was clear during recent ticket buying experiences. Those old "work arounds" don't really get far today - I suppose time will tell if those brokers end up having to dump tickets for much less as the show approaches or if they got enough suckers to pay 5x face value.

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Point was, those presales and fan club accesses are limited. They do not represent the bulk of the tickets.

 

Then I do not understand how TM resale can have 2472 tickets for resale and Stub Hub 2245 tickets for sale for the Tampa show THE DAY BEFORE the public sale. These were tickets with section, row and seat number - in some cases, you could find entire rows on the floor for resale (At ~3 to 10 times face) before the public sale ever happened. Yeah, it's not a majority of the tickets in a ~20k seat venue (~15k for end stage concert?) - but the preponderance of floor and lower bowl tickets availabe for resale before public sale and experience of fans largely getting offered crap upper bowl tickets during presale strongly suggests that ticket sales are not "random pulls" or that it's even "free market" ecomonics. I think many are not "whining" about face prices - it's the massively inflated prices that a rigged system has created.

 

It's been rigged for 20 years running man.

 

I got 10th row tickets for the Roll The Bones Tour back in 92 at $95 a ticket. Do you know what the face value was on those? 35 bucks.

 

170% premium. Seems cheap now...but 23 years ago that was a lot of money for a concert.

 

A lot of these floor seats are VIP tickets at $400 face and people are asking for a 100% mark up on them. So the VIP system for the fans has now turned on us. The brokers and scalpers got whiff of it and since they did not do what they did the last two tours with will call pick-up (which should never have been taken away for VIP tickets) the blood sucking brokers pounced. Also season ticket holders have become more and more prevalent and brokers are the ones who become these so-called season ticket holders as a business investment.

 

It sucks. But it is the reality. I am lucky I snagged great lower bowl seats for Tampa in the pre-sale and lucky I had a great connection for my floor Vegas tickets. Otherwise I would have been waiting till the week of the show to snag tickets from desperate sellers.

 

 

 

You complain about the scalpers, but on the other hand admit to supporting them. What am I missing here?

 

Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker? I bought them from a freaking Rush fan who I sat next too at the show. He capitalized. Last I looked that was allowed in our country.

 

 

A person , not a broker, asked you to pay $95 for tickets in 1992?

Not an even $100 or an even $90? $95...

Such an odd amount, because we know people selling things are always looking to give people a $5 off break

Hmm...$95...yeah, that's believable. :sarcastic:

 

I really don't give a flying f**k what you believe. That's what I paid. I remember it well. We went back and forth....I said $95 he said...o.k we got a deal.

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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

 

 

Nope...I absolutely wouldn't. I've never paid a broker and never will. Got 2nd row seats for Tulsa and 4th row for Newark...both purchased in the presales for face value. I actually go to anywhere between 30-50 shows per year and see just about everything I want to. Anyplace where there are seats, I'm usually no worse than about 20 rows back. I always buy directly from TM or whoever is handling the sale (Ticketweb, AXS, etc.) and haven't been far from the stage for probably about 15-20 years.

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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

 

 

Nope...I absolutely wouldn't. I've never paid a broker and never will. Got 2nd row seats for Tulsa and 4th row for Newark...both purchased in the presales for face value. I actually go to anywhere between 30-50 shows per year and see just about everything I want to. Anyplace where there are seats, I'm usually no worse than about 20 rows back. I always buy directly from TM or whoever is handling the sale (Ticketweb, AXS, etc.) and haven't been far from the stage for probably about 15-20 years.

 

I have gotten great seats in the pre-sales too. I have rarely paid a broker for seats and when I have I was able to get them far far below what they were asking initially. Typically I always buy my tickets at a pre-sale....then watch the broker sites and stub hub. Week of the show is usually when things get hairy for them and they go into dump mode. The times I have brokered seats I paid peanuts above face for them. Then I turn around and sell my other tickets to real fans outside for face value.

 

But I am more about being in the first 15 rows and if I can get those in a pre-sale at face...which I have been able to do most of the time...I do.

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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

 

 

Nope...I absolutely wouldn't. I've never paid a broker and never will. Got 2nd row seats for Tulsa and 4th row for Newark...both purchased in the presales for face value. I actually go to anywhere between 30-50 shows per year and see just about everything I want to. Anyplace where there are seats, I'm usually no worse than about 20 rows back. I always buy directly from TM or whoever is handling the sale (Ticketweb, AXS, etc.) and haven't been far from the stage for probably about 15-20 years.

 

I have gotten great seats in the pre-sales too. I have rarely paid a broker for seats and when I have I was able to get them far far below what they were asking initially. Typically I always buy my tickets at a pre-sale....then watch the broker sites and stub hub. Week of the show is usually when things get hairy for them and they go into dump mode. The times I have brokered seats I paid peanuts above face for them. Then I turn around and sell my other tickets to real fans outside for face value.

 

But I am more about being in the first 15 rows and if I can get those in a pre-sale at face...which I have been able to do most of the time...I do.

 

 

I've always believed that paying a broker or scalper, even way under face value, is still supporting them. That's just my opinion. The way they price their tickets to begin with, if one poor schmuck pays their asking price they more or less pay for all (or most) of that broker's ticket stock for the given event. Every other sale at that point is profit. The only way to really screw them is to leave them hanging.

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Also....not all good tix are sold during the presale. I've held out and gotten second row dead center, right on the aisle for Ozzy at MSG a few days before the show several years ago. Also got 7th row center for Roger Waters at Yankee Stadium (Dave Navarro from Janes Addiction was seated 2 rows behind me) on the day of the show as well. That's just 2 examples...it happens more than people would probably believe. Edited by Justin Case
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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

 

 

Nope...I absolutely wouldn't. I've never paid a broker and never will. Got 2nd row seats for Tulsa and 4th row for Newark...both purchased in the presales for face value. I actually go to anywhere between 30-50 shows per year and see just about everything I want to. Anyplace where there are seats, I'm usually no worse than about 20 rows back. I always buy directly from TM or whoever is handling the sale (Ticketweb, AXS, etc.) and haven't been far from the stage for probably about 15-20 years.

 

This is a perfect example of how the market is skewed geographically. There is little to zero chance you'd have those same series of lucky circumstances in saturated markets like LA or NY, unless you're one of the very chosen few. You got 2nd row and 4th row because you went to Jersey and Oklahoma.

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Also....not all good tix are sold during the presale. I've held out and gotten second row dead center, right on the aisle for Ozzy at MSG a few days before the show several years ago. Also got 7th row center for Roger Waters at Yankee Stadium (Dave Navarro from Janes Addiction was seated 2 rows behind me) on the day of the show as well. That's just 2 examples...it happens more than people would probably believe.

 

That it does. It seems like so many folks online score great seats day of show. If only that were actual reality for the masses, and not exceptions to the rule.

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Who says I bought those Roll The Bones tickets from a broker?...

 

 

I was able to get a pair 2nd row at 35 bucks above face from a broker

 

There's that nasty B word again :codger:

 

And how exactly did you take advantage? $35 above face means they still made their money back and thereby were supported.

 

Those same tickets were selling for $300 above face for months....that's how. Sitting second row for a mere $35 bucks above face? You would do it too.

 

 

Nope...I absolutely wouldn't. I've never paid a broker and never will. Got 2nd row seats for Tulsa and 4th row for Newark...both purchased in the presales for face value. I actually go to anywhere between 30-50 shows per year and see just about everything I want to. Anyplace where there are seats, I'm usually no worse than about 20 rows back. I always buy directly from TM or whoever is handling the sale (Ticketweb, AXS, etc.) and haven't been far from the stage for probably about 15-20 years.

 

This is a perfect example of how the market is skewed geographically. There is little to zero chance you'd have those same series of lucky circumstances in saturated markets like LA or NY, unless you're one of the very chosen few. You got 2nd row and 4th row because you went to Jersey and Oklahoma.

 

I'm in the 12th row at MSG. Hardly a bad seat. With the exception of Pearl Jam & Cream, I've been at least in the front section of the floor every time I've been there for at least the last 15 years (and that's a lot of times). Oh...and I was in a corporate box for Motley CrueAlice Cooper.

 

And the Newark venue is about 20 minutes on the train from MSG. It's pretty much considered part of the NY market...and that show is on a Saturday, which alone will draw a larger crowd.

 

There is definitely a method to getting good seats. It's not all luck (although it helps). Thankfully a lot of people just plain suck at the Ticketmaster game, which makes things easier for those of us who know how to play.

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LOL, I'm a Ticketmaster pro, rest assured. Sometimes it just doesn't land even if you're on top of the online queue know-how.

 

And someone's 'good seat' is another's 'not as good a seat.'

 

12th row at MSG isn't a bad seat, you're right. But there's ten rows in front of you, and two rows to your left and right, that are better. :)

 

So again, those who want to pick where they sit, as opposed to taking a 'range' of good seating, can only do that by pulling the luck of the draw on the TM dash, or hit the secondary market.

 

You guys who keep saying everyone's a sucker for using a brokers have either been extraordinarily fortunate in your ticket draws, or you're exaggerating the 'goodness' of your arena position. :)

 

My money's on the latter, for the most part. :)

 

Pull front row for the Forum in LA on the general sale, then color me impressed. Until then...it's a crapshoot, or use a broker. :)

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Wow. Did you really just accuse me of lying about where my seats are?

 

Don't feel bad I had been accused of not paying $95 a ticket to someone for a pair of tickets. It was too hard to fathom I could give someone $190 vs $200 for a pair of tickets. You know....a $100 bill a 50$ bill and two $20 bills.

 

Impossible!!!!

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I don't think there were any of those accusations here, but it seems like there is a lot of luck involved. I have had some good luck, 11th row center in Newark, but the two NYC shows have been the most difficult tickets in easily 20 years. Immediate sell outs. Server overloads. I know tons of tricks. They have 'added' zero seats so far. Their first solid two night sellout (months before show time) in eons. Very fortunate for the good seats. When I searched for MSG, ticket masher had so much traffic there was smoke coming out of my PC!
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This has been a tough tour. I agree. I feel fortunate to have what I have for my two shows.
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Wow. Did you really just accuse me of lying about where my seats are?

 

Nope, that's not what I said. :)

 

The point is, those of you who keep claiming you can 'always' get good seats if you know what you're doing, are exaggerating, or you live in soft markets (or travel to them).

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Wow. Did you really just accuse me of lying about where my seats are?

 

Nope, that's not what I said. :)

 

The point is, those of you who keep claiming you can 'always' get good seats if you know what you're doing, are exaggerating, or you live in soft markets (or travel to them).

Your schtick of insinuating that people are lying is tiresome.
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In his latest post about being a very-part time endurance racer, Neil manages to squeeze in a humble brag about driving his $280,000 sports car.

 

Whine away!

 

:laughing guy:

Good thing he had a full crew with him for his epic casual drive :LOL:

 

So. This is what the idle rich do. Well, when they're not whining about touring.

From a guy that writes a song like the Larger Bowl, lol!

 

He was accurate. Some are blessed and some are cursed.

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In his latest post about being a very-part time endurance racer, Neil manages to squeeze in a humble brag about driving his $280,000 sports car.

 

Whine away!

 

:laughing guy:

Good thing he had a full crew with him for his epic casual drive :LOL:

 

So. This is what the idle rich do. Well, when they're not whining about touring.

From a guy that writes a song like the Larger Bowl, lol!

 

He was accurate. Some are blessed and some are cursed.

Yeah as far as I'm concerned, Neil never condemned enjoying the fact that you might be blessed lol
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Wow. Did you really just accuse me of lying about where my seats are?

 

Nope, that's not what I said. :)

 

The point is, those of you who keep claiming you can 'always' get good seats if you know what you're doing, are exaggerating, or you live in soft markets (or travel to them).

Your schtick of insinuating that people are lying is tiresome.

 

Not nearly as tiresome as section crashers who think it's perfectly okay to do so. :)

 

But you're right, I find the fact that so many people here apparently score 5th row or better on general sales ALL THE TIME, ON EVERY TOUR. It's quite a coinkydink. :D

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