Selling Like Crazy

[upstateNYfan]

Ding ding ding! Right on.

[gonzalez97]

They incur 100% of the risk of the re-sale while providing RUSH and the venue a guaranteed return. The scalpers know they are going to eat a certain number of unsold tickets, but will make up for the loss because many buyers will over-pay.

 

Complaining will change nothing. Voting with your pocketbook will. Stay home, or at least wait them out.

 

This is exactly correct. The promoters sell directly to resellers (prior to going on sale) to ensure they at least come out even and no show loses money. Any tickets that the public buys after that is just profit.

 

The resellers take 100% of the risk but know they will make a huge profit on some tickets and a loss on others.

 

I would add that promoters believe that the secondary market more correctly sets the prices for tickets. While the business would like to set ticket prices closer to the secondary market, it knows it can't do it overnight. But it will slowly get there. That's why we see select "platinum" and VIP prices. Ticketmaster also now allows the reselling of tickets at secondary market prices.

 

It's a way of getting consumers accustomed to ticket prices in the $500, $750, or even $1,000s. Once consumers are no longer feeling price shock, you can bet face values will reach that point.

[rugen]

It cost me 65$ for a cheap ticket high and far away directly from the venue online deliver to my mail box. Why do i need a broker to get "best seats" closer to the stage. I don't need to see the guys from close range, i know what they look like. Just want to be part of the show.

[goose]

It cost me 65$ for a cheap ticket high and far away directly from the venue online deliver to my mail box. Why do i need a broker to get "best seats" closer to the stage. I don't need to see the guys from close range, i know what they look like. Just want to be part of the show.

Buy cheap & sneak down front.

[goose]

They incur 100% of the risk of the re-sale while providing RUSH and the venue a guaranteed return. The scalpers know they are going to eat a certain number of unsold tickets, but will make up for the loss because many buyers will over-pay.

 

Complaining will change nothing. Voting with your pocketbook will. Stay home, or at least wait them out.

 

This is exactly correct. The promoters sell directly to resellers (prior to going on sale) to ensure they at least come out even and no show loses money. Any tickets that the public buys after that is just profit.

 

The resellers take 100% of the risk but know they will make a huge profit on some tickets and a loss on others.

 

I would add that promoters believe that the secondary market more correctly sets the prices for tickets. While the business would like to set ticket prices closer to the secondary market, it knows it can't do it overnight. But it will slowly get there. That's why we see select "platinum" and VIP prices. Ticketmaster also now allows the reselling of tickets at secondary market prices.

 

It's a way of getting consumers accustomed to ticket prices in the $500, $750, or even $1,000s. Once consumers are no longer feeling price shock, you can bet face values will reach that point.

:goodone:

[Disembodied Spirit]

Music in general is headed to how Casinos book Music.

Casinos promise the artist a fee- Styx is a huge Casino touring band- was getting $18,000 per show.

Band paid for NO marketing, no ticket sales, no rentals, nothing.

$18K per show. Over 50 dates, 6 bandmates, thats a good living for a musician.

Lots of older artists are doing this.

So that being said, I am happy Rush never 'had to tour' to pay bills.

None of us want to see them in a theater with sound/lighting restrictions.

[upstateNYfan]

Goose,

Sneak down front? Are you 16? Risky, especially for reserved seat show in high demand. And then there's security. And probably pissed off people.

Not cool.

[goose]

Goose,

Sneak down front? Are you 16? Risky, especially for reserved seat show in high demand. And then there's security. And probably pissed off people.

Not cool.

Far from 16...and plenty of old dudes do it for the second set.

 

What are you, 74? :codger:

[upstateNYfan]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

[Bard]

Yeah, rushing the stage and seat sneaking was never cool back in the day and is even less cool now. You didn't pay to be up close, you don't get to be up close. If you don't like it, go to a GA show where you can toss elbows in the pit with the masses. Why do you think it is that Rush rarely grants general admission shows, and even less general admission pits? They don't like the masses to swarm. They like crowds to have rocking, but respectful, experiences. One of the things I dig about Rush is that it isn't a madhouse up front. Rush shows are among the best behaved crowds ever.

 

It's not about being too old. It was always lame. I've sent plenty of dudes packing back to their seats, girls too. I never understood that, never even thought of dashing up front when I was in the upper bowls. It's not nice.

[upstateNYfan]

Someone tried to take my seat (I forget when) but I do remember just showing him my ticket and politely said, "where's yours?" He just kinda stared, then spun around and left.

[Bard]

Ah, if only seat bombers were all that obedient. :)

 

I've had to manhandle more than a drunken fellows, and for some odd reason, far more women. Girls are drastically more rude and presumptuous at concerts, I have no idea why. Get a few drinks in 'em, then they just try and take your seat outright, or stand in front of you, and at GA shows they'll elbow you in the kidneys until you either move or respond accordingly. Dunno how many times I've been at the rail front row stageside and some Euro-chica pushes against me and my gal as if we're going to move if she's just persistent enough, and I'll verbally admonish her first, once, twice, three times, and if the obvious agenda-driven physical contact continues, I've had to physically, gently, pick her up and ease her back a couple feet. Did the same with a few guys, then they'll throw punches, and security tosses 'em. You have to make sure not to throw any back, or security boots you too.

 

Sigh. Friggin' hate crashers. It's not nice. :)

[upstateNYfan]

Crazy stuff. And then they call themselves "fans".

[goose]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

[upstateNYfan]

Surely you're kidding. Reserved seating means the person who paid for the seat is entitled to it, unencumbered by lice who wrongly believe because it's a rock concert they can burrow themselves into a seat they didn't pay for. Grow up.

[dtpoet]

Who concert

Cincinnati Ohio

December 1979

11 deaths

But hey -

It's rock and roll, after all.

Edited February 10, 2015 by dtpoet

[Bard]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Van Squalen

[calirush]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

 

I see it in sporting events quite a bit. Of course in Baseball/Football there are often a lot of empty seats, even when sold out.

[snowdog212]

Who concert

Cincinnati Ohio

December 1979

11 deaths

But hey -

It's rock and roll, after all.

Saw them the next night http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae314/snowdog212/006jpg22.jpg

[Bard]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

 

I see it in sporting events quite a bit. Of course in Baseball/Football there are often a lot of empty seats, even when sold out.

 

Empty seats are different. Squeezing in occupied spaces just because of 'hey, it's a concert, relax' mentality (translation: I'm a cheap f**k and I could give a red rat's ass about respecting your place) invites hostility.

 

Which I'm happy to reciprocate in fashion accordingly if need be. I always feel sorry for the folks who cave and slide over. It ruins the whole show for folks. :(

[troutman]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

 

I see it in sporting events quite a bit. Of course in Baseball/Football there are often a lot of empty seats, even when sold out.

 

Empty seats are different. Squeezing in occupied spaces just because of 'hey, it's a concert, relax' mentality (translation: I'm a cheap f**k and I could give a red rat's ass about respecting your place) invites hostility.

 

Which I'm happy to reciprocate in fashion accordingly if need be. I always feel sorry for the folks who cave and slide over. It ruins the whole show for folks. :(

 

I don't believe Goose is implying its ok to be rude and steal a seat. I know I would never do such a thing.

 

I might want to get a closer look but it would be some thing like walking down the aisle and trying to hang out until security said some thing to me.

[upstateNYfan]

Still waiting for Goose's punchline.

[Bard]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

 

I see it in sporting events quite a bit. Of course in Baseball/Football there are often a lot of empty seats, even when sold out.

 

Empty seats are different. Squeezing in occupied spaces just because of 'hey, it's a concert, relax' mentality (translation: I'm a cheap f**k and I could give a red rat's ass about respecting your place) invites hostility.

 

Which I'm happy to reciprocate in fashion accordingly if need be. I always feel sorry for the folks who cave and slide over. It ruins the whole show for folks. :(

 

I don't believe Goose is implying its ok to be rude and steal a seat. I know I would never do such a thing.

 

I might want to get a closer look but it would be some thing like walking down the aisle and trying to hang out until security said some thing to me.

 

It's exactly what he's implying. Seen it thousands of times. If it's not general admission, protocol says you stay where you got your seat.

 

If it's GA, it's no holds barred and you can try and get as close as you want. If it's not GA, you didn't pay to be up close in a reserved seat, so it's not nice to mooch a free view when all the people in that section paid for that view. Furthermore, you're disrupting those paying folks' concert experience by being where you're not supposed to be. It's distracting, and more often than not, it's rude and presumptuous.

 

Sigh, I just don't get people who think they can have something for free that others had to purchase. And that they'd show so little respect for fellow concert attendees. Testing the bounds of security or fan tolerance is the same thing as: "I don't care about these other people at the show and how I might interfere with their experience, I'm in this for myself."

[troutman]

Not at all. The problem is the people who actually paid for seats there.

I agree that the problem is people who paid for those seats. They need to lighten up.

 

I had front row and some dudes poached the space between. They were cool, I could still see. The only guy that was douchey was a security guy who deliberately stood right in front of me to block my view. I flashed my pass and he moved, but it was still a dick move at that point in the show.

 

I say uou get the first half of the show in peace, but when the lights go down the second time, there's gotta be leeway. It's rock and roll, after all.

 

Your 'leeway' is another man's douchebag.

 

Basically you're saying "I'm too cheap to pony for up front, but I'll gladly try and bully, weasel, or mooch my way up there on somebody else's coattails."

 

Rock and roll has nothing to do with it. You're either a scab, or you're not.

 

Seat crashers are the worst kind of concert scum. Worse than stage rushers.

 

I see it in sporting events quite a bit. Of course in Baseball/Football there are often a lot of empty seats, even when sold out.

 

Empty seats are different. Squeezing in occupied spaces just because of 'hey, it's a concert, relax' mentality (translation: I'm a cheap f**k and I could give a red rat's ass about respecting your place) invites hostility.

 

Which I'm happy to reciprocate in fashion accordingly if need be. I always feel sorry for the folks who cave and slide over. It ruins the whole show for folks. :(

 

I don't believe Goose is implying its ok to be rude and steal a seat. I know I would never do such a thing.

 

I might want to get a closer look but it would be some thing like walking down the aisle and trying to hang out until security said some thing to me.

 

It's exactly what he's implying. Seen it thousands of times. If it's not general admission, protocol says you stay where you got your seat.

 

If it's GA, it's no holds barred and you can try and get as close as you want. If it's not GA, you didn't pay to be up close in a reserved seat, so it's not nice to mooch a free view when all the people in that section paid for that view. Furthermore, you're disrupting those paying folks' concert experience by being where you're not supposed to be. It's distracting, and more often than not, it's rude and presumptuous.

 

Sigh, I just don't get people who think they can have something for free that others had to purchase. And that they'd show so little respect for fellow concert attendees. Testing the bounds of security or fan tolerance is the same thing as: "I don't care about these other people at the show and how I might interfere with their experience, I'm in this for myself."

 

Well,

 

I guess he can chime in and respond. If I test the bounds of security it isn't to steal a seat or be rude. I make sure I do not ruffle any feathers. I have been in situations where idiots have tried there BS with me and it has always failed. One has to know the boundries in this kind of situation.

[Bard]

If you're standing next to someone in the aisle, in a 'non' - seat area, you are already breaking the boundaries of the person in the seat to your left/right.

 

The boundaries are crystal clear at concerts. You stay in your assigned seat. Period. :)

 

People who push those boundaries are what they are, but to try and justify stretching those boundaries isn't going to wash to any degree. You're breaking the rules and potentially ruffling feathers of fellow patrons.

 

It's really not rocket science.

 

And Goose already made his position clear. He said, 'The people who paid for the seats, need to lighten up.'

 

To which I would reply, the people who didn't pay for those seats, need to mind their manners. Or risk getting tossed out and missing the show entirely. Either I'll move 'em or I'll have security do it. :)

 

If it seems like I have a thing about moving up front without paying for it, I do. People like that need to hit general admission shows. Shows with reserved seating, you know what you ought to do and should respect protocol to serve the greater good of all.

Edited February 11, 2015 by Van Squalen