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Who are your favorite characters?

 

At this point, I guess my list includes Tyrion and Bron . . .maybe Arya as well.

 

Agreed on all. Ayra and the Hound are a really likable duo at this point. And I've liked Tyrion all along. I also can't wait to see what Daenerys amounts to when she finally meets Westeros face to face.

 

I like Jaime Lannister and the Hound much more now than as they were portrayed earlier in the series, and Daenarys less.

 

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

I have to disagree about Jaime... Yes he pushed a child out of the Window, and I'm not defending that.... but what if he didn't?? What if Bran told someone what he saw. All of a sudden you would have him, his sister, Joffrey, Tommen, Myrcella, all would be executed by Robert. What would have been the repercussions of that? Would Tywin Lannister have just been okay with the execution of his Son (whom he still wishes as his heir), daughter, and grandchildren? Regardless of the charges against Cersei and Jaime, I don't Tywin would just stand aside, he would react and the realm would bleed for it...

 

As much as it sucks to say it, the reality was that pushing Bran out the window was the lesser of two evils.. at least in his mind... Rant over (I've been spending too much time in the game of thrones, and a song of ice and fire subreddits)

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Who are your favorite characters?

 

At this point, I guess my list includes Tyrion and Bron . . .maybe Arya as well.

 

Agreed on all. Ayra and the Hound are a really likable duo at this point. And I've liked Tyrion all along. I also can't wait to see what Daenerys amounts to when she finally meets Westeros face to face.

 

I like Jaime Lannister and the Hound much more now than as they were portrayed earlier in the series, and Daenarys less.

 

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

I have to disagree about Jaime... Yes he pushed a child out of the Window, and I'm not defending that.... but what if he didn't?? What if Bran told someone what he saw. All of a sudden you would have him, his sister, Joffrey, Tommen, Myrcella, all would be executed by Robert. What would have been the repercussions of that? Would Tywin Lannister have just been okay with the execution of his Son (whom he still wishes as his heir), daughter, and grandchildren? Regardless of the charges against Cersei and Jaime, I don't Tywin would just stand aside, he would react and the realm would bleed for it...

 

As much as it sucks to say it, the reality was that pushing Bran out the window was the lesser of two evils.. at least in his mind... Rant over (I've been spending too much time in the game of thrones, and a song of ice and fire subreddits)

 

Besides if he hadn't pushed Bran out the window and all of the stuff Owl said did happen... It would have been a really short story and probably wouldn't have gotten picked up by HBO.

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Who are your favorite characters?

 

At this point, I guess my list includes Tyrion and Bron . . .maybe Arya as well.

 

Margery is increasingly intriguing to me, though still not sure what to make of her. She may be as utterly ruthless at bottom as anybody on the show, carefully hidden under her charming/sweet/tenderness act.

 

I like Jaime Lannister and the Hound much more now than as they were portrayed earlier in the series, and Daenarys less.

 

I feel exactly the same way!!!

 

I've been a fan of the books for years, having read them all at least twice. (And not-so-patiently waiting for the next!) I think George RR Martin does a great job of manipulating your feelings towards characters, where first you hate them, then feel sorry for or end up liking them. Or vice-versa.

 

yes I even feel bad for Theon now.

 

I heard that.

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No Spoilers for the show/books, but George R. R. Martin released a preview of the "World of Ice and Fire" world book that is coming out in October... It is about Aegon The Conqueror... a bit of (waaaaay, about 300 years) pre-book/show lore..

 

http://www.georgerrm...nd-fire-sample/

 

Although it's cool that he's written more backstory (the man does love his lore and history!), I wish he'd JUST FINISH THE DARNED SERIES! My fear is that he will die without finishing it. Ack!

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No Spoilers for the show/books, but George R. R. Martin released a preview of the "World of Ice and Fire" world book that is coming out in October... It is about Aegon The Conqueror... a bit of (waaaaay, about 300 years) pre-book/show lore..

 

http://www.georgerrm...nd-fire-sample/

 

Although it's cool that he's written more backstory (the man does love his lore and history!), I wish he'd JUST FINISH THE DARNED SERIES! My fear is that he will die without finishing it. Ack!

 

The more pressing concern is that the TV show will catch up and move past the books... I've read all the books and would hate for that to happen, but there's people who have been reading since the first book came out in 1996... It would be terrible to have been following the series for 20 years only to have a TV adaptation finish the story before the novels.

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Who are your favorite characters?

 

At this point, I guess my list includes Tyrion and Bron . . .maybe Arya as well.

 

Agreed on all. Ayra and the Hound are a really likable duo at this point. And I've liked Tyrion all along. I also can't wait to see what Daenerys amounts to when she finally meets Westeros face to face.

 

I like Jaime Lannister and the Hound much more now than as they were portrayed earlier in the series, and Daenarys less.

 

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

I have to disagree about Jaime... Yes he pushed a child out of the Window, and I'm not defending that.... but what if he didn't?? What if Bran told someone what he saw. All of a sudden you would have him, his sister, Joffrey, Tommen, Myrcella, all would be executed by Robert. What would have been the repercussions of that? Would Tywin Lannister have just been okay with the execution of his Son (whom he still wishes as his heir), daughter, and grandchildren? Regardless of the charges against Cersei and Jaime, I don't Tywin would just stand aside, he would react and the realm would bleed for it...

 

As much as it sucks to say it, the reality was that pushing Bran out the window was the lesser of two evils.. at least in his mind... Rant over (I've been spending too much time in the game of thrones, and a song of ice and fire subreddits)

 

Oh yeah, because the way things turned out really worked out to be a big barrel of peaches. :P

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No Spoilers for the show/books, but George R. R. Martin released a preview of the "World of Ice and Fire" world book that is coming out in October... It is about Aegon The Conqueror... a bit of (waaaaay, about 300 years) pre-book/show lore..

 

http://www.georgerrm...nd-fire-sample/

 

Although it's cool that he's written more backstory (the man does love his lore and history!), I wish he'd JUST FINISH THE DARNED SERIES! My fear is that he will die without finishing it. Ack!

 

And then who will finish the books? He got a son or daughter who wants to do the job? I have no idea.

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No Spoilers for the show/books, but George R. R. Martin released a preview of the "World of Ice and Fire" world book that is coming out in October... It is about Aegon The Conqueror... a bit of (waaaaay, about 300 years) pre-book/show lore..

 

http://www.georgerrm...nd-fire-sample/

 

Although it's cool that he's written more backstory (the man does love his lore and history!), I wish he'd JUST FINISH THE DARNED SERIES! My fear is that he will die without finishing it. Ack!

 

The more pressing concern is that the TV show will catch up and move past the books... I've read all the books and would hate for that to happen, but there's people who have been reading since the first book came out in 1996... It would be terrible to have been following the series for 20 years only to have a TV adaptation finish the story before the novels.

 

As someone who has never even seen one of the books with my own eyes, to the best of my memory, I don't really care about that.

 

Author of the books should pick up the damned pace if he doesn't want the TV show to overtake him.

 

Plus, that would put all the "I know everything because I have read the books" people on the same grounds of uncertainty about what is going to happen next as everybody else.

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Plus, that would put all the "I know everything because I have read the books" people on the same grounds of uncertainty about what is going to happen next as everybody else.

 

Well, the books and the tv show have been diverging, so they may be totally different things by the time the show passes up the books.

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

 

That scene was inappropriate and un called for.. It was not rape in the book, entirely consensual.. Still messed up having incest sex next to the corpse of your dead incest son, but Jaime did not rape Cersei in ASOS.... I don't know why that decision was made.

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

 

That scene was inappropriate and un called for.. It was not rape in the book, entirely consensual.. Still messed up having incest sex next to the corpse of your dead incest son, but Jaime did not rape Cersei in ASOS.... I don't know why that decision was made.

 

maybe because fans of the show were warming up to him?

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

 

That scene was inappropriate and un called for.. It was not rape in the book, entirely consensual.. Still messed up having incest sex next to the corpse of your dead incest son, but Jaime did not rape Cersei in ASOS.... I don't know why that decision was made.

 

maybe because fans of the show were warming up to him?

 

hypothetical questions following:

 

Granted, it seemed downright malicious and evil of Jaime to rape Circe (or however they spell her name in this series, gah) right by the dead body of her child.

 

Granted, that child was a monster, and Circe is not much better . . .

 

How many of you would have thought it would be justified in a way if instead of raping her Jaime had pulled out his sword and run her through with it, slaying her on the spot right by Joffrey's corpse, while saying "you are so hateful, why was I cursed to be in love with such a hateful bitch, you deserve to die, evil bitch!"

 

Would he have been justified in doing that? Would you think it would have been cool of him to do that?

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

 

That scene was inappropriate and un called for.. It was not rape in the book, entirely consensual.. Still messed up having incest sex next to the corpse of your dead incest son, but Jaime did not rape Cersei in ASOS.... I don't know why that decision was made.

 

maybe because fans of the show were warming up to him?

 

hypothetical questions following:

 

Granted, it seemed downright malicious and evil of Jaime to rape Circe (or however they spell her name in this series, gah) right by the dead body of her child.

 

Granted, that child was a monster, and Circe is not much better . . .

 

How many of you would have thought it would be justified in a way if instead of raping her Jaime had pulled out his sword and run her through with it, slaying her on the spot right by Joffrey's corpse, while saying "you are so hateful, why was I cursed to be in love with such a hateful bitch, you deserve to die, evil bitch!"

 

Would he have been justified in doing that? Would you think it would have been cool of him to do that?

 

The show has not been kind at all to Jaime's character development.... The books are written from the perspective of several different characters, each chapter you are getting part of the story from a different character's point of view, experience what that character is feeling, and get their inner monologue... In book 3 Jaime becomes a POV character... And you discover that beneath the sister-banging, cocky asshole you have been seeing from other character's perspective is a person who does care what others think of him... who hates being called "Kingslayer" (rightly so, because people mis-understand his true motivations about breaking his oaths). And is a person who is trying to atone for his past wrongs, and is falling out of his enamor with his sister... The show has barely any of this hinted with Jaime's character....

 

There have been two moments in this series that have been so far out of line with Jaime's character it is infuriating... the moment in this past episode, and the moment in season 2 where he murdered his cousin in an escape attempt.. JAIME WOULD NOT DO THAT!!! Kinslaying in this world is looked at as bad as kingslaying, or killing guests who have shared food under your roof.. Jaime who is trying to clean his sullied name would not have even thought of it.. Writers of the show, QUIT f***ing UP THIS CHARACTER!!!!

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I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

I just can't forgive Jaime for what he did in the first episode of the series. I know a lot of people who are coming around on him, and I can certainly tell that he's grown as a character, but I can't forget that incestuous prick who treated everyone like shit and coldbloodedly shoved a little boy out of a tower.

 

If Jaime Lannister truly has changed in character, then you would not be punishing the Jaime Lannister who pushed that little boy out of the tower. That Jaime Lannister no longer exists. You would instead be "punishing" a being who would not do such a thing.

Well after last episode, I've lost a bit of my sympathy for him

 

That scene was inappropriate and un called for.. It was not rape in the book, entirely consensual.. Still messed up having incest sex next to the corpse of your dead incest son, but Jaime did not rape Cersei in ASOS.... I don't know why that decision was made.

 

maybe because fans of the show were warming up to him?

 

hypothetical questions following:

 

Granted, it seemed downright malicious and evil of Jaime to rape Circe (or however they spell her name in this series, gah) right by the dead body of her child.

 

Granted, that child was a monster, and Circe is not much better . . .

 

How many of you would have thought it would be justified in a way if instead of raping her Jaime had pulled out his sword and run her through with it, slaying her on the spot right by Joffrey's corpse, while saying "you are so hateful, why was I cursed to be in love with such a hateful bitch, you deserve to die, evil bitch!"

 

Would he have been justified in doing that? Would you think it would have been cool of him to do that?

 

The show has not been kind at all to Jaime's character development.... The books are written from the perspective of several different characters, each chapter you are getting part of the story from a different character's point of view, experience what that character is feeling, and get their inner monologue... In book 3 Jaime becomes a POV character... And you discover that beneath the sister-banging, cocky asshole you have been seeing from other character's perspective is a person who does care what others think of him... who hates being called "Kingslayer" (rightly so, because people mis-understand his true motivations about breaking his oaths). And is a person who is trying to atone for his past wrongs, and is falling out of his enamor with his sister... The show has barely any of this hinted with Jaime's character....

 

There have been two moments in this series that have been so far out of line with Jaime's character it is infuriating... the moment in this past episode, and the moment in season 2 where he murdered his cousin in an escape attempt.. JAIME WOULD NOT DO THAT!!! Kinslaying in this world is looked at as bad as kingslaying, or killing guests who have shared food under your roof.. Jaime who is trying to clean his sullied name would not have even thought of it.. Writers of the show, QUIT f***ing UP THIS CHARACTER!!!!

 

I read the first book only and one of the things that turned me off to the them was that just about every character is a scumbag and with the exception of the Starks, there was nobody to root for....OK...Things have changed since the first book but we are still dealing with many of these same scumbag characters. Like them or not, now...they are still the same scumbags they have always been. You shouldn't be surprised by anything these pieces of crap do.

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I read the first book only and one of the things that turned me off to the them was that just about every character is a scumbag and with the exception of the Starks, there was nobody to root for....OK...Things have changed since the first book but we are still dealing with many of these same scumbag characters. Like them or not, now...they are still the same scumbags they have always been. You shouldn't be surprised by anything these pieces of crap do.

 

If you read the whole series you realize that these characters are complex, and not as one-dimensional as they might seem after just reading the first book. As The Owl mentioned in the comment above yours, Jaime's real character only comes out once he's travelling with Brienne.

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I read the first book only and one of the things that turned me off to the them was that just about every character is a scumbag and with the exception of the Starks, there was nobody to root for....OK...Things have changed since the first book but we are still dealing with many of these same scumbag characters. Like them or not, now...they are still the same scumbags they have always been. You shouldn't be surprised by anything these pieces of crap do.

 

If you read the whole series you realize that these characters are complex, and not as one-dimensional as they might seem after just reading the first book. As The Owl mentioned in the comment above yours, Jaime's real character only comes out once he's travelling with Brienne.

 

I get they are complex and after 6 or 7 books better they had better be complex. As for reading any more of the books, I'll stick to the TV show.

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Make the bad woman fly!

 

Only thing wrong with that scene was that her son didn't follow her through the moon door. Hopefully he will later . . .

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