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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2014/02/24/the-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

Wow... you know, I have to apologize to everyone here for being so ill-informed when I first joined this forum. I thought that Neil was just another misunderstood and difficult artist-slash-genius type, but the more I find the weirder and creepier things get. I think if I saw Neil in person, I'd do the opposite of what most fans do and run straight for the exit. But hey, at least the music's still great. :huh:

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

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False. The Trees wasn't based on the teachings of Rand.

 

I figured it wasn't. But try telling the blogger that. And then after you tell him, film his reaction and put it up on YouTube. :LMAO:

 

I think The Trees is definitely a criticism of collectivism. Whether Peart intended it that way, only he knows. But I find his argument that it was just a silly song based on a cartoon to be unconvincing.

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

Wow... you know, I have to apologize to everyone here for being so ill-informed when I first joined this forum. I thought that Neil was just another misunderstood and difficult artist-slash-genius type, but the more I find the weirder and creepier things get. I think if I saw Neil in person, I'd do the opposite of what most fans do and run straight for the exit. But hey, at least the music's still great. :huh:

 

Why would an interest in objectivism or libertarianism be creepy or mean that you're not smart?

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Lyricist/drummer Neil Peart is credited in the liner notes as acknowledging "the genius of Ayn Rand." Some listeners believe that "2112" is based on Ayn Rand's book, Anthem, but Neil Peart maintains that the resemblance is coincidental,[6] saying in a 1991 "Rockline" interview: “ The inspiration behind it was ... It's difficult always to trace those lines because so many things tend to coalesce, and in fact it ended up being quite similar to a book called Anthem by the writer Ayn Rand. But I didn't realize that while I was working on it, and then eventually as the story came together, the parallels became obvious to me and I thought, 'Oh gee, I don't want to be a plagiarist here.' So I did give credit to her writings in the liner notes.[7]

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Lyricist/drummer Neil Peart is credited in the liner notes as acknowledging "the genius of Ayn Rand." Some listeners believe that "2112" is based on Ayn Rand's book, Anthem, but Neil Peart maintains that the resemblance is coincidental,[6] saying in a 1991 "Rockline" interview: “ The inspiration behind it was ... It's difficult always to trace those lines because so many things tend to coalesce, and in fact it ended up being quite similar to a book called Anthem by the writer Ayn Rand. But I didn't realize that while I was working on it, and then eventually as the story came together, the parallels became obvious to me and I thought, 'Oh gee, I don't want to be a plagiarist here.' So I did give credit to her writings in the liner notes.[7]

 

From this I get that he noticed where his influence came from during the writing process not some time later. I always thought he wrote it intentionally as a version of her work, thus the liner notes giving credit (I was aware of those from when I first had 2112 on vinyl). Rather, it seems he merely re-wrote something he knew he had read. I don't see where he used the word 'coincidental' to describe the similarites. I don't think I ever heard or knew about the interview so thanks for providing that. Personally, I have no issue with how he wrote '2112' because he acknowledged where it came from and has always been open about being influenced by both writers and other drummers.

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Lyricist/drummer Neil Peart is credited in the liner notes as acknowledging "the genius of Ayn Rand." Some listeners believe that "2112" is based on Ayn Rand's book, Anthem, but Neil Peart maintains that the resemblance is coincidental,[6] saying in a 1991 "Rockline" interview: “ The inspiration behind it was ... It's difficult always to trace those lines because so many things tend to coalesce, and in fact it ended up being quite similar to a book called Anthem by the writer Ayn Rand. But I didn't realize that while I was working on it, and then eventually as the story came together, the parallels became obvious to me and I thought, 'Oh gee, I don't want to be a plagiarist here.' So I did give credit to her writings in the liner notes.[7]

 

From this I get that he noticed where his influence came from during the writing process not some time later. I always thought he wrote it intentionally as a version of her work, thus the liner notes giving credit (I was aware of those from when I first had 2112 on vinyl). Rather, it seems he merely re-wrote something he knew he had read. I don't see where he used the word 'coincidental' to describe the similarites. I don't think I ever heard or knew about the interview so thanks for providing that. Personally, I have no issue with how he wrote '2112' because he acknowledged where it came from and has always been open about being influenced by both writers and other drummers.

 

I have bolded the reference for you.

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

Wow... you know, I have to apologize to everyone here for being so ill-informed when I first joined this forum. I thought that Neil was just another misunderstood and difficult artist-slash-genius type, but the more I find the weirder and creepier things get. I think if I saw Neil in person, I'd do the opposite of what most fans do and run straight for the exit. But hey, at least the music's still great. :huh:

 

is his interest in ayn rand 40 years ago what you find "weird" and "creepy"?

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

I wonder what the song Anthem was about. It's so hard to tell from the themes of the song. If it's anything like the book it's probably coincidental as well. And the title? Pure coincidence... :wacko:

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

I wonder what the song Anthem was about. It's so hard to tell from the themes of the song. If it's anything like the book it's probably coincidental as well. And the title? Pure coincidence... :wacko:

 

what led's saying is true about 2112, but anthem is an obvious tribute that I don't think neil has ever denied

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

Wow... you know, I have to apologize to everyone here for being so ill-informed when I first joined this forum. I thought that Neil was just another misunderstood and difficult artist-slash-genius type, but the more I find the weirder and creepier things get. I think if I saw Neil in person, I'd do the opposite of what most fans do and run straight for the exit. But hey, at least the music's still great. :huh:

 

is his interest in ayn rand 40 years ago what you find "weird" and "creepy"?

 

No, it's the idea that he would fluctuate between confirming and denying things in such a strange way. It just fits into the whole spectrum of him being on his own planet and not coming down anytime soon.

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

Wow... you know, I have to apologize to everyone here for being so ill-informed when I first joined this forum. I thought that Neil was just another misunderstood and difficult artist-slash-genius type, but the more I find the weirder and creepier things get. I think if I saw Neil in person, I'd do the opposite of what most fans do and run straight for the exit. But hey, at least the music's still great. :huh:

 

is his interest in ayn rand 40 years ago what you find "weird" and "creepy"?

 

No, it's the idea that he would fluctuate between confirming and denying things in such a strange way. It just fits into the whole spectrum of him being on his own planet and not coming down anytime soon.

 

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I'm sure Neil is thrilled every time some self-proclaimed genius takes something he wrote decades ago and publicly turns it into a series of mantras. Here's another one.

 

http://townhall.com/...-trees-n1798689

 

 

 

 

Nothing to see here. I'd probably post this in SOCN if I really cared. You guys can fight over it, though... again. :eyeroll:

Whether or not it was written to be a critique of socialism, it can surely be read as one. A particularly trenchant one.

 

Of course, Neil later claimed it was nothing of the sort. Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental, even though it was two albums after a song called Anthem based on themes in Rand's work. (Two giant coincidences. What are the odds? :wacko:)

 

"Just like he claimed that the similarities between 2112 and Rand's work were coincidental,"

When and in what form did he make this claim? Was it in an interview? If so, do you have it?

 

Seeing as the album is dedicated to the genius of Rand, it is a hard argument to make. Though I do remember him stating that he just wrote it and didn't notice the similarities until later, which is why they offered the acknowledgement. I'll try and find the quote.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Lyricist/drummer Neil Peart is credited in the liner notes as acknowledging "the genius of Ayn Rand." Some listeners believe that "2112" is based on Ayn Rand's book, Anthem, but Neil Peart maintains that the resemblance is coincidental,[6] saying in a 1991 "Rockline" interview: “ The inspiration behind it was ... It's difficult always to trace those lines because so many things tend to coalesce, and in fact it ended up being quite similar to a book called Anthem by the writer Ayn Rand. But I didn't realize that while I was working on it, and then eventually as the story came together, the parallels became obvious to me and I thought, 'Oh gee, I don't want to be a plagiarist here.' So I did give credit to her writings in the liner notes.[7]

 

From this I get that he noticed where his influence came from during the writing process not some time later. I always thought he wrote it intentionally as a version of her work, thus the liner notes giving credit (I was aware of those from when I first had 2112 on vinyl). Rather, it seems he merely re-wrote something he knew he had read. I don't see where he used the word 'coincidental' to describe the similarites. I don't think I ever heard or knew about the interview so thanks for providing that. Personally, I have no issue with how he wrote '2112' because he acknowledged where it came from and has always been open about being influenced by both writers and other drummers.

 

I have bolded the reference for you.

 

Those are the wiki author's words. To me 'coincidental' means by chance with no connection. Neil read Rands books and was influenced by them. He says he didn't start out writing a similar story to Anthem but it became obvious to him while writing that that happened, so he credited her. That is not coincidence.

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