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Original CD (2002) HDTracks 24/96 2013 CD Remix Tracks

DR6 DR6 DR7 01 - One Little Victory

DR5 DR6 DR8 02 - Ceiling Unlimited

DR5 DR6 DR7 03 - Ghost Rider

DR5 DR8 DR7 04 - Peaceable Kingdom

DR5 DR7 DR8 05 - The Stars Look Down

DR5 DR7 DR6 06 - How It Is

DR5 DR7 DR8 07 - Vapor Trail

DR4 DR6 DR7 08 - Secret Touch

DR5 DR6 DR7 09 - Earthshine

DR5 DR6 DR7 10 - Sweet Miracle

DR5 DR7 DR7 11 - Nocturne

DR6 DR7 DR8 12 - Freeze (Part IV of "Fear")

DR4 DR8 DR7 13 - Out Of The Cradle

Official DR Value Official DR Value Official DR Value

5 7 7

 

Readings taken using "DR14 T.meter"

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Here is some data from the remixed version. Notice how there is no clipping. That's beauty, eh?

 

 

DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR7 -0.30 dB -8.04 dB 01 One Little Victory (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.35 dB 02 Ceiling Unlimited (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 03 Ghost Rider (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.22 dB 04 Peaceable Kingdom (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.25 dB 05 The Stars Look Down (Remixed).m4a

DR6 -0.30 dB -8.39 dB 06 How It Is (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -10.37 dB 07 Vapor Trail (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 08 Secret Touch (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.44 dB 09 Earthshine (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.88 dB 10 Sweet Miracle (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 11 Nocturne (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.46 dB 12 Freeze (Part IV Of _Fear_) (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 13 Out Of The Cradle (Remixed).m4a

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Number of files: 13

Official DR value: DR7

 

I'm looking forward to see the dynamic range of the vinyl. I wouldn't be surprised to see that top at 9 or 10.

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Here is some data from the remixed version. Notice how there is no clipping. That's beauty, eh?

 

 

DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR7 -0.30 dB -8.04 dB 01 One Little Victory (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.35 dB 02 Ceiling Unlimited (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 03 Ghost Rider (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.22 dB 04 Peaceable Kingdom (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.25 dB 05 The Stars Look Down (Remixed).m4a

DR6 -0.30 dB -8.39 dB 06 How It Is (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -10.37 dB 07 Vapor Trail (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 08 Secret Touch (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.44 dB 09 Earthshine (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.88 dB 10 Sweet Miracle (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 11 Nocturne (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.46 dB 12 Freeze (Part IV Of _Fear_) (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 13 Out Of The Cradle (Remixed).m4a

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Number of files: 13

Official DR value: DR7

 

I'm looking forward to see the dynamic range of the vinyl. I wouldn't be surprised to see that top at 9 or 10.

 

Is that compressed or lossless?

 

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Here is some data from the remixed version. Notice how there is no clipping. That's beauty, eh?

 

 

DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR7 -0.30 dB -8.04 dB 01 One Little Victory (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.35 dB 02 Ceiling Unlimited (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 03 Ghost Rider (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.22 dB 04 Peaceable Kingdom (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.25 dB 05 The Stars Look Down (Remixed).m4a

DR6 -0.30 dB -8.39 dB 06 How It Is (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -10.37 dB 07 Vapor Trail (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 08 Secret Touch (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.44 dB 09 Earthshine (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.88 dB 10 Sweet Miracle (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -8.64 dB 11 Nocturne (Remixed).m4a

DR8 -0.30 dB -9.46 dB 12 Freeze (Part IV Of _Fear_) (Remixed).m4a

DR7 -0.30 dB -9.05 dB 13 Out Of The Cradle (Remixed).m4a

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Number of files: 13

Official DR value: DR7

 

I'm looking forward to see the dynamic range of the vinyl. I wouldn't be surprised to see that top at 9 or 10.

 

Is that compressed or lossless?

It's flac with a bit of flack...

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Apple Lossless to be precise. 16 bit 44.1 khz. I wish itunes came with FLAC support though.

 

Edit: I'm not sure if there would be that much of a difference if any, between lossy formats and uncompressed? I would suppose that dynamic range doesn't care about frequencies but only RMS values. Haven't tested it but just food for thought.

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16 bit 44.1 khz is CD Audio. Itunes supports ALAC, same idea of encapsulating WAV as flac. Google FLAC ALAC and some converters will pop up in the list.

 

Both the HDTracks and the new remix CD are missing the pops, clipping and do not hurt my ears.

 

If only these versions had come out originally, but then what would we have had to complain about on these forums?

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Original CD (2002) HDTracks 24/96 2013 CD Remix Tracks

DR6 DR6 DR7 01 - One Little Victory

DR5 DR6 DR8 02 - Ceiling Unlimited

DR5 DR6 DR7 03 - Ghost Rider

DR5 DR8 DR7 04 - Peaceable Kingdom

DR5 DR7 DR8 05 - The Stars Look Down

DR5 DR7 DR6 06 - How It Is

DR5 DR7 DR8 07 - Vapor Trail

DR4 DR6 DR7 08 - Secret Touch

DR5 DR6 DR7 09 - Earthshine

DR5 DR6 DR7 10 - Sweet Miracle

DR5 DR7 DR7 11 - Nocturne

DR6 DR7 DR8 12 - Freeze (Part IV of "Fear")

DR4 DR8 DR7 13 - Out Of The Cradle

Official DR Value Official DR Value Official DR Value

5 7 7

 

Readings taken using "DR14 T.meter"

someone please tell me wtf this stuff means.
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Original CD (2002) HDTracks 24/96 2013 CD Remix Tracks

DR6 DR6 DR7 01 - One Little Victory

DR5 DR6 DR8 02 - Ceiling Unlimited

DR5 DR6 DR7 03 - Ghost Rider

DR5 DR8 DR7 04 - Peaceable Kingdom

DR5 DR7 DR8 05 - The Stars Look Down

DR5 DR7 DR6 06 - How It Is

DR5 DR7 DR8 07 - Vapor Trail

DR4 DR6 DR7 08 - Secret Touch

DR5 DR6 DR7 09 - Earthshine

DR5 DR6 DR7 10 - Sweet Miracle

DR5 DR7 DR7 11 - Nocturne

DR6 DR7 DR8 12 - Freeze (Part IV of "Fear")

DR4 DR8 DR7 13 - Out Of The Cradle

Official DR Value Official DR Value Official DR Value

5 7 7

 

Readings taken using "DR14 T.meter"

someone please tell me wtf this stuff means.

 

I think it's meant to prove scientifically that the remixed Vapour Trails sounds better than the old one, but not as much better as it theoretically could? :huh:

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I'm not sure exactly what it means, but obviously a lower number is less range and a higher number is more.

 

I believe the scale is 1-20.... most "brickwalled" albums tend to fall in the 4-6 range.

 

I think Steely Dan's "Aja" is like an 18.

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In theory the higher the number the better, but it also comes down to the type of music. Classical music will probably not benefit from a 5 db dynamic range (which is 5 db in difference from the quietest part to the loudest), and heavy metal will probably sound weak with a dynamic range of 20.

 

6 db is either double or half the sound pressure but the way our ears work, we need around 10 db to perceive a doubling or half of sound pressure.

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Original CD (2002) HDTracks 24/96 2013 CD Remix Tracks

DR6 DR6 DR7 01 - One Little Victory

DR5 DR6 DR8 02 - Ceiling Unlimited

DR5 DR6 DR7 03 - Ghost Rider

DR5 DR8 DR7 04 - Peaceable Kingdom

DR5 DR7 DR8 05 - The Stars Look Down

DR5 DR7 DR6 06 - How It Is

DR5 DR7 DR8 07 - Vapor Trail

DR4 DR6 DR7 08 - Secret Touch

DR5 DR6 DR7 09 - Earthshine

DR5 DR6 DR7 10 - Sweet Miracle

DR5 DR7 DR7 11 - Nocturne

DR6 DR7 DR8 12 - Freeze (Part IV of "Fear")

DR4 DR8 DR7 13 - Out Of The Cradle

Official DR Value Official DR Value Official DR Value

5 7 7

 

Readings taken using "DR14 T.meter"

someone please tell me wtf this stuff means.

 

I think it's meant to prove scientifically that the remixed Vapour Trails sounds better than the old one, but not as much better as it theoretically could? :huh:

What this means is both VT Remix and HDTracks sound better than the original VT, but that VT Remix sounds better than the HDTracks, and VT Remix costs half the price of HDTracks. :)

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