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Vapor Trails Remix: The Poll - Will you retire your 2002 messy mix copy, once you have the shiny new WHITE remix


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  1. 1. Once you have the new VT remix will you retire your old 2002 copy?

    • YES, I can't wait to file it away under WITHDRAWN FROM RuSh SERVICE
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    • No, I have a feeling this new mix will sound less energized, weaker, empty somehow
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    • I think I'll be playing both, sometimes back to back!
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    • I may put them together in a 2 CD jewel case and create a VT double album
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    • I'm not buying the new remix, I like the old one as it is
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    • I hate the album regardless of mixing or mastering, the songs f***ing suck! Yes I am rushgoober, of course!
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    • I hate the album, I agree that it is a piece of shit, but I'm not rushgoober...
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    • I have a feeling I'll start off loving the new mix but eventually revert back to the 2002 edition
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    • I'm going to perform numerous sound tests to determine the best version
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    • I'll buy it, I don't really care about the mix, I just want to add it to my RUSH collection
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    • I may not buy it, I haven't thought much about it yet
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    • My name is METALDAD, it's a cash-in job, selling the same album and hoping for the same sales figures just because they f*cked up the mix
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    • My name is EARL "Master of Japan" RUSHHEAD, I currently have 79 different editions of the new VT on order!
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    • My name is Steevo, I need this album, it makes me hard!
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    • My name is Hatchet Pete, this is another opportunity to use my vinyl-hole sized knob!
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    • My name is Rick N Backer, I love Poison, they sound like Van Halen!
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    • My name is Tick, I want to try and exploit this release event to my own advantage!
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    • My name is Babycat, I just want to lap milk from a bowl in front of naked men!
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    • My name is coldfire I once challenged Neil Peart to a masturbation marathon, and I came out on top, literally!
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    • My name is Johnny Blaze, I just want to slap something on the stereo when I'm banging the Blaze harem girls!
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    • My name is Neil Peart, this album is going to fund my new career as a male lap dancer!
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    • Alex Laughfson here, this album will keep me in cakes for exactly 3 months
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    • Jeddie Lee here, this album will pay for that nose job I've been putting off for decades
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    • Tony R here, I'm fat, I'm f*cked and I'm 50, come and get me girls!!!
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    • Principled Man here, this year the mighty SAINTS are gonna be brilliant and dominate the NFL!
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    • Lost in Xanadu here, this year the Packers are gonna suck dead donkey dong
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    • hello I'm Laughedatbytime, the Dolphins new uniform makes me fcuking blind and sick at the same time!
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    • The OWL checking in, I've bought the remixed Vapor Trails ten million times in my dreams! I'm just scared that reality will be a bit of a letdown
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    • H. P. L. here, I remixed the album myself in 1979, yes more than a decade before it was even released! Ghost Rider is called Happy Days are Here Again on my copy!
      0
    • I am HOBO I like gluing plastic bottles to my crotch and humping ladies in the park!
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    • Lerxt1990 here, what remix? What the devil is going on? I'm busy collecting new life from Mars on my bacon sandwich via my back yard porch swing...
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    • Eddie Van Halen here, a couple of my albums are brick-walled to death too
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    • Cosey Toses here, what? ME buy another copy of Vapid Trolls? I'd rather have my bollocks stapled to an angry baboon's arse!
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    • Pags here, look I'm a FIREMAN, I can deal with it, I can deal with a bad mix, I can deal with muddy production values. A bad mix it's like smoke in a burning building ok? And I can see right through it to the love in the people inside!
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    • Sunny Sunny Sun girl here, I'll be Geddy's pin-up girl any time he wants it! Neil is creepy now though so he'll have to just deal with that, Alex is my second choice!
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I've discovered that "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" is a good "test album" for sound quality. My vinyl still trumps the CD version which is missing some music in some of the songs.

 

Yeah, the one concession I make personally to convenience over quality is doing CD's instead of albums. Vinyl is just too much work... PLUS you still have to deal with all the pops and clicks which are gone on CD's - yeah, you might lose a smidgeon of clarity, but the negatives outweigh the positives for me. Once you start converting CD's into other file formats and listen on anything other than audiophile sound equipment, however, that's a huge drop in quality I'm not willing to sacrifice.

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The echo effect on "A New Machine" is shortened on the CD version quite a bit which bothers me. The way I see it, Pink Floyd recorded it that way on purpose but CD technology bastardized it.
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There is no comparison to listening to a CD on high quality audiophile equipment. Compress the file all you want, call it lossless and pretend it's the same thing. It's fine, most everyone does it. It's a world of convenience over quality.

Not sure what you mean here; audio CD is a digital format at 44.1khz/16bit, so a FLAC file at 96khz/24bit played directly through audiophile equipment is clearly better.

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There is no comparison to listening to a CD on high quality audiophile equipment. Compress the file all you want, call it lossless and pretend it's the same thing. It's fine, most everyone does it. It's a world of convenience over quality.

Not sure what you mean here; audio CD is a digital format at 44.1khz/16bit, so a FLAC file at 96khz/24bit played directly through audiophile equipment is clearly better.

 

Do what makes you happy.

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I'll wait to see what everyone thinks. I have the HD tracks. Of course you have to dumb it down to lesser quality to actually play it on anything. Even at that its better. Not worth the 20 bucks for me. My guess this one won't be better enough to warrant another 20 but if you dorks convince me it is, I may get it.

 

The only Apple product you need to dumb it down for is the iPod classic, and even that is better than CD quality.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought converting the flacs to anything really, downgraded the quality. I know they can be converted to AIFF and therefore not "downgraded" but you can only listen on IPODs. By definition anything played on an IPOD is downgraded sound quality I think. You can't burn AIFF or flacs to cds so can't listen to the HD tracks really on anything other than the IPOD. Seems to me that kind of defeats the purpose of the HD track. But i have them. Yeah for me.

...I set iTunes up to playback at 96k/24-bit and convert my FLAC files to WAV so it'll play them back, and it works great.

 

How do you do that?

 

Which part? Converting FLAC to WAV is easy, just download FLAC frontend (if you're on Windows anyways), or if you're more adventurous you can use the FLAC command line tool (on either Mac or Windows) to do the same. Then in iTunes under "Preferences", "Playback" you'll find the playback settings down towards the bottom of the screen. I think the Mac version of iTunes does it a little differently.

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I play my 96/24 files straight from my computer hard drive through my stereo. If I convert them to 44.1/16 and play them through the stereo from the iPod, I can notice a definite downgrade in sound quality, more due to the general crappiness of my iPod I think than the downgraded sample/bitrate.

 

@Peartlee- I think you'd need quite a good car audio system to support 96/24 files. I can play MP3s or WAV files through the USB connector on my car stereo, but 24 bit files are not supported. :(

 

I'd settle for a DAC that I can plug into the aux port of the radio and something that's portable that will feed the DAC (without costing an arm and a leg, and my left nut) I'd care about it more if I spent a lot of time in my car. It's nice to dream though :)

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All you audiophiles need to get a room. I've heard the original two remixes streamed on my computer, and my pc's general clarity sucks ass, so it's too early to tell for my caveman ass. My IPod and home stereo will be the real test. I'll be a first day buyer, cuz VT is awesome even with all the sonic bugginess.
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Kinda depends really, yeah the original has harsh sonic issues but i still love it.. if the remix clears up the harshness at expense of general feel or the way the album was originally written and performed, then i'll be sticking to original... if the band has had a say in this remix im fairly confident i'll be giving it a really good go.
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I'm feeling really left out of this poll for some reason...
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Jeezaz. A lot of effort put into those options. Quite witty too should be a copywriter. I went for the double cd jewel case. If the remix outstanding without straying too far from orig ill prob play that all the time but if sounds too different ill stick to orig. Some good times had with that orig disc. lookin forward to hearing a cleaned up version tho.. Edited by lifeson90
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This is kind of a stupid thread. How can we know the answer to this question until it actually comes out?

Well just come back later and it all should make sense to you then.

 

Shades of Marty McFly?

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Kinda depends really, yeah the original has harsh sonic issues but i still love it.. if the remix clears up the harshness at expense of general feel or the way the album was originally written and performed, then i'll be sticking to original... if the band has had a say in this remix im fairly confident i'll be giving it a really good go.

You bring up a good point. I hope the remix isn't too clean...that rawness is important to the aesthetic.

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This is kind of a stupid thread. How can we know the answer to this question until it actually comes out?

Well just come back later and it all should make sense to you then.

 

Shades of Marty McFly?

Once the album is out in a few days your previous post will be redundant, and all will be well!

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