rayrushray Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Unless they change the set list to include "ALL " Rush fans Attendance is sparse.....and audience participation is lukewarm at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaked Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 2nd US leg is already a given. Attendance is as expected and response has been mostly quite positive. YOU might not like it but the majority do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayrushray Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 Circa 2040 What Rush concert tour was the least likable of all their tours? Answer: Clockwork Angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (rayrushray @ Sep 30 2012, 08:46 AM) Unless they change the set list to include "ALL " Rush fans Attendance is sparse.....and audience participation is lukewarm at best. I agree, even though response has been positive. I've been reading much about shows not selling out and upper level tickets being updgraded to lower level. I do feel if the second "American" leg is to happen. One of two things needs to improve. Either the setlist to include a much wider fan base like you mentioned or the economy so fans don't think twice about releasing the funs. Regardless, I'm sure there will be changes to the setlist. And below is what I'm wishing for while still being somewhat Realistic: (Highlighted are the B-Sets) Set 1: Limelight The Big Money Lock And Key/ Turn The Page Grand Design / Middletown Dreams Body Electric / Afterimage The Analog Kid Show Don't Tell Territories/ The Weapon Where's My Thing? (Drum Solo #1) Jacobs Ladder Subdivisions Set 2: Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities of Gold The Wreckers Headlong Flight (Drum Solo# 2) BU2B2 Wish Them Well The Garden Losing It Manhattan Project The Percussor (Drum Solo # 3) Red Sector A / Dreamline YYZ Hemispheres (Prelude) Xanadu (Entire) Encore: The Spirit of Radio Tom Sawyer 2112 Overture/ Temples/ Finale Edited September 30, 2012 by losingit2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (rayrushray @ Sep 30 2012, 09:17 AM) Circa 2040 What Rush concert tour was the least likable of all their tours? Answer: Clockwork Angels Lol. You know you're quoting your own opinion, and really, no one wants to hear it, you pompous, arrogant asshole. Sorry, MODS, but f**k it. This guy continuously trolls, and is flame baiting, ban the shit out of him. He has not had ONE constructive thing to say at all in this forum. He doesn't join in on band conversations or anything, he just bitches about shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketom Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Whats the attendance on weekend shows. Chicago was almost a sell out. If they would of played at the All State Arena it would have been sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (rayrushray @ Sep 30 2012, 08:46 AM) Unless they change the set list to include "ALL " Rush fans Attendance is sparse.....and audience participation is lukewarm at best. i suspect you are right. i expect numbers to be down drastically from past tours. we shall see..... Edited September 30, 2012 by tangy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm_donuts Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 The post is the typical 4 year old temper tantrum because of the set list, so to directly respond in kind is futile. Neil stated a few years ago that the industry has basically flipped; they used to make their 'big' money on album sales and broke even on tours. That has reversed. So unless attendance is abysmal, I would bet they continue with a 2nd leg with some minor setlist changes. They had really good summer 'shed' tours recently, so I'd easily go to one next summer. You also have to consider that they have some considerable fixed expenses in the set and production, so to give up on touring early would just eat into their profit. Sorry to get all 'businessy', but that has to be considered just as much as the musical side. As long as attendance is reasonable, they're having fun and making some decent coin, I think they'll continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Sep 30 2012, 09:32 AM)And below is what I'm wishing for while still being somewhat Realistic: (Highlighted are the B-Sets) Set 1: Limelight The Big Money Lock And Key/ Turn The Page Grand Design / Middletown Dreams Body Electric / Afterimage The Analog Kid Show Don't Tell Territories/ The Weapon Where's My Thing? (Drum Solo #1) Jacobs Ladder Subdivisions Set 2: Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities of Gold The Wreckers Headlong Flight (Drum Solo# 2) BU2B2 Wish Them Well The Garden Losing It Manhattan Project The Percussor (Drum Solo # 3) Red Sector A / Dreamline YYZ Hemispheres (Prelude) Xanadu (Entire) Encore: The Spirit of Radio Tom Sawyer 2112 Overture/ Temples/ Finale OK, so you expect them to play 4+ hrs per night......nice. They will NOT be playing your or anyone else's wishlist. There is no Santa Claus. It's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicB Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I would be really suprised if they did a second NA tour. I would say that attendance is AVERAGING 8000 to 9000 per show for a one night stand on the first leg. That to me just isn't enough draw to warrant a second leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeaveMyThingAlone Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Rush is drawing about the same as they did for the Snakes and Arrows tour. The Time Machine tour was their most successful ever because of the MP thing. They are doing fine and are drawing as they always do. Rush is like NASCAR. They are money that they will draw a certain amount and be profitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toscanobarga Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't know anyone who waits to see what the setlist is before they buy tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zac2112 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 tickets prices have to be a factor, two very good tickets to the Tampa show came in about $240 with fees, that a good bit of scratch for a concert. Especially since the first set has maybe two songs that i like, looking forward to the CA matierial though, and a few classics to end the show makes it worth it. Also get a Saturday night show here and sales have been very good, 20 thousand seat venue and i think about 85-90 percent sold, may be one of the better attended shows on this tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micgtr71 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Do you think that ticket sales reflect the fact that Permanent Waves is under-represented or could it be the economy? Hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Sep 30 2012, 09:32 AM) QUOTE (rayrushray @ Sep 30 2012, 08:46 AM) Unless they change the set list to include "ALL " Rush fans Attendance is sparse.....and audience participation is lukewarm at best. I agree, even though response has been positive. I've been reading much about shows not selling out and upper level tickets being updgraded to lower level. I do feel if the second "American" leg is to happen. One of two things needs to improve. Either the setlist to include a much wider fan base like you mentioned or the economy so fans don't think twice about releasing the funs. Regardless, I'm sure there will be changes to the setlist. And below is what I'm wishing for while still being somewhat Realistic: (Highlighted are the B-Sets) Set 1: Limelight The Big Money Lock And Key/ Turn The Page Grand Design / Middletown Dreams Body Electric / Afterimage The Analog Kid Show Don't Tell Territories/ The Weapon Where's My Thing? (Drum Solo #1) Jacobs Ladder Subdivisions Great changes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (toscanobarga @ Sep 30 2012, 05:58 PM) I don't know anyone who waits to see what the setlist is before they buy tickets. Hmmm...not sure if I'm one of those or not. This tour maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlowe Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think the key is to remember is that the set lacks some of the standards they play on tour. Most of us could survive if we didn't hear them again for a while (Red Barchetta, Free Will, Limelight, Closer to the Heart, Distant Early Warning) but a minority of people might be a little dissapointed. I doubt it's to the extent of what's claimed, but if Rush were to Add FW or Limelight to the 1st set where The Body Electric is I bet no one would be saying anything. I can see the 1st set getting stagnant for some people. Not me, I LOVE PW and the setlist. I wish I wouldn't have looked...I always do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sawyer Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (krlowe @ Sep 30 2012, 10:37 PM) I think the key is to remember is that the set lacks some of the standards they play on tour. Most of us could survive if we didn't hear them again for a while (Red Barchetta, Free Will, Limelight, Closer to the Heart, Distant Early Warning) but a minority of people might be a little dissapointed. I doubt it's to the extent of what's claimed, but if Rush were to Add FW or Limelight to the 1st set where The Body Electric is I bet no one would be saying anything. I can see the 1st set getting stagnant for some people. Not me, I LOVE PW and the setlist. I wish I wouldn't have looked...I always do that! As I have said before They're not playing the songs we hear every tour!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgrendel Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I really do not see attendance figures to be as strong for a 2nd leg as they may seem now. It is a great show as is, but, to be honest, it may not be strong enough to hit NA markets again next year. This is particularly true if they decide to hit venues within close proximity of the ones they hit the first time around. IMO, it may be better if they skipped a 2nd NA leg and put some thought into a nice R40 show. Or, take a little more time off and try again a few years down the road. It cannot be be too exciting to see all those black curtains hanging around the venues. I was saddened to see the lack of support at the Pittsburgh show. Buffalo should be better since it was neglected on the TM Tour. Lots of Cunucks from across the boarder should be there. Hit the places that have not seen you for some time...that is what they should do 2nd time around if they do it. Abscence makes the heart grow fonder..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FountainOfSyrinx Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Economy + Weeknight Shows + School/Work weeks = many "casual" fans will not attend.. they don't give a rat's ass about the setlist before they go, and the set rarely affects ticket sales because the die-hards (like us) are the ones who choose to look at it beforehand, and most of the time, we already have bought our tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default236 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (FountainOfSyrinx @ Sep 30 2012, 08:51 PM) Economy + Weeknight Shows + School/Work weeks = many "casual" fans will not attend.. they don't give a rat's ass about the setlist before they go, and the set rarely affects ticket sales because the die-hards (like us) are the ones who choose to look at it beforehand, and most of the time, we already have bought our tickets. You've about summed it up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgrendel Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (default236 @ Sep 30 2012, 10:52 PM) QUOTE (FountainOfSyrinx @ Sep 30 2012, 08:51 PM) Economy + Weeknight Shows + School/Work weeks = many "casual" fans will not attend.. they don't give a rat's ass about the setlist before they go, and the set rarely affects ticket sales because the die-hards (like us) are the ones who choose to look at it beforehand, and most of the time, we already have bought our tickets. You've about summed it up there. I would agree with the post up to a point. They have played week nights before plus the economy has been bad for a long time. People are product driven - if the product is excellent people will find a way to pay for it. If the economy is so bad and people do not have money, why do folks have to wait so long at their favorite rest. to eat. People should be eating at home if they don't have the coin....right? CA is an excellent release, but apart from the rabid RUSH fanatic, who has been exposed to it? I have not heard one CA tune on the radio! Successful touring bands have understood that they must give the fans (rabid, casual, new) something they want to hear. RUSH is out supporting their latest release...I get that and respect that. IMO, I am not sure a concept album that has to have back-to-back-to-back songs played really bodes well in today's market. I will conclude by saying that I am confident that if RUSH would have included more of their concert "delights," conversations and posts on this Forum would not be as harsh. Edited October 1, 2012 by drgrendel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Caress Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Sep 30 2012, 09:32 AM) QUOTE (rayrushray @ Sep 30 2012, 08:46 AM) Unless they change the set list to include "ALL " Rush fans Attendance is sparse.....and audience participation is lukewarm at best. I agree, even though response has been positive. I've been reading much about shows not selling out and upper level tickets being updgraded to lower level. I do feel if the second "American" leg is to happen. One of two things needs to improve. Either the setlist to include a much wider fan base like you mentioned or the economy so fans don't think twice about releasing the funs. Regardless, I'm sure there will be changes to the setlist. And below is what I'm wishing for while still being somewhat Realistic: (Highlighted are the B-Sets) Set 1: Limelight The Big Money Lock And Key/ Turn The Page Grand Design / Middletown Dreams Body Electric / Afterimage The Analog Kid Show Don't Tell Territories/ The Weapon Where's My Thing? (Drum Solo #1) Jacobs Ladder Subdivisions Set 2: Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities of Gold The Wreckers Headlong Flight (Drum Solo# 2) BU2B2 Wish Them Well The Garden Losing It Manhattan Project The Percussor (Drum Solo # 3) Red Sector A / Dreamline YYZ Hemispheres (Prelude) Xanadu (Entire) Encore: The Spirit of Radio Tom Sawyer 2112 Overture/ Temples/ Finale Love your setlists)) I would go see it for a third time if they did that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgrendel Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yeah....now that is a show that appeases the masses! On other thing....The videos before, between, and after are getting old. More music could be played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish_matt Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I would say a second North American leg is going to happen. I don't believe it's really cost effective for the band to start everything up again 5 months after the US tour to just play 12-14 shows in Europe. They will still have pre tour rehearsals etc. There is a certain number of shows required for the tour to break even and put it into profit. They will likely announce more US dates after the 1st of the year once this leg of the tour is finished. -Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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