losingit2k Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I was listening to Cold Fire today and it struck me how similar these two songs arein their structure. Similar Beginnings, with softer verses and faster Choruses. Where they differ is during the break or solos and of course the lyrics. Anyway I went with The Wreckers only because I just love that break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCFIELDS Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Neither! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianice Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Aug 28 2012, 05:56 PM) Neither! Bah Humbug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM86 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Lyrically I like Cold Fire more, but musically The Wreckers feels bigger and more epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFireYYZ Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Both are great songs but I haven't really been listening to the songs on Counterparts recently while I love the new album. Currently I'm going to go with The Wreckers but its a tough choice. My opinion will probably change once the album's been out for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchemingDemon Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) The Wreckers. I'm not a huge fan of Cold Fire, especially with the 'shoehorned' lyrics in the chorus. Then again, The Wreckers isn't much better in that aspect, but I think it sounds better. Edited August 28, 2012 by SchemingDemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUP1771 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 This isn't fair. Both songs are very high on my Rush list. Cold Fire was my first non-hits Rush song, and The Wreckers was the first song that peaked my interest for CA when I heard the samples. I can't choose. I love both for reasons that would take forever to list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Aug 28 2012, 05:56 PM) Neither! make that 2 votes for neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The Wreckers for sure. It has grown on me immensely. Lyrically has the concept to back it. The bridge has a perfect emotional climax. Someone said the lyrics were shoehorned, and I agree. Some of them are cringe-worthy. "You know how complex women are..." ...I just have trouble following the perspective of narration and it seem cheesy and overreaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I also don't see how the songs are related, musically or lyrically. Can someone explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchemingDemon Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (DistantEarlyRushFan @ Aug 28 2012, 06:40 PM) I also don't see how the songs are related, musically or lyrically. Can someone explain? Shoehorned choruses would be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (DistantEarlyRushFan @ Aug 28 2012, 06:37 PM) The Wreckers for sure. It has grown on me immensely. Lyrically has the concept to back it. The bridge has a perfect emotional climax. Someone said the lyrics were shoehorned, and I agree. Some of them are cringe-worthy. "You know how complex women are..." ...I just have trouble following the perspective of narration and it seem cheesy and overreaching they are both cringe-worthy but the wreckers is much more cringe-worthy because it's fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Don't care for Cold Fire...at all. I love The Wreckers. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Aug 28 2012, 06:34 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Aug 28 2012, 05:56 PM) Neither! make that 2 votes for neither. So predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeson90 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 no comparison, the wreckers is a quaint little ditty a very good filler if you like but cold fire is a monster of a rush classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sawyer Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 This is tough... I'll give it to the Wreckers because it has more emotion. But both are phenomenal songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushBowler2112 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't really feel any similarities between the Wreckers and Cold Fire at all but they are 2 extremely strong songs! I still have to give the edge to Cold Fire just from a clarity standpoint on the album. If CA had the production of CP I think it would become #1, but that is a different topic altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBJetsman Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Cold Fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (DistantEarlyRushFan @ Aug 28 2012, 06:37 PM) Someone said the lyrics were shoehorned, and I agree. Some of them are cringe-worthy. "You know how complex women are..." ...I just have trouble following the perspective of narration and it seem cheesy and overreaching I always liked that line because I always felt it was just a wise ass comment thrown in the middle of the song. It's just sounds like some comment you would add to a conversation with someone while talking about your lady troubles. As for the poll, i'm going with Cold Fire. I've always loved the song and while The Wreckers is very good, it's hard to vote for it since it's too new and Cold Fire is a song i've loved for 18 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitboaf Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 One vote for both! I also LOVE the lyrics of Cold Fire. Among Neil's very best, and they bounce through the melody beautifully, IMO. QUOTE I don't understand those songs you love' She said, 'This is not a love song This isn't fantasyland' The flame at the heart of a pawnbroker's diamond is a cold fire Don't break the spell The look in your eyes as you head for the door is a cold fire ouch. I can relate to that, thanks to some, *ahem*... missteps... when I was a bit younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hmm. One of the worst songs on one of the worst albums or one of the better songs on the best album in about 30 years? The Wreckers in a landslide. Fortunately, I don't hear the similarities, as that would ruin the Wreckers for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbirdsong Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I can't vote. I like both songs, but I don't see any similarities. Cold Fire blew me away as it was a friggin' love song by Rush and very unexpected. The Wreckers is an emotion inducing workout. The part about the drowning people floors me every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eshine Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hmm, I cannot find a single similarity in these two tracks other then they were both written and performed by Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pause Rewind Replay Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (lifeson90 @ Aug 28 2012, 07:18 PM) no comparison, the wreckers is a quaint little ditty a very good filler if you like but cold fire is a monster of a rush classic Pretty much this. I like The Wreckers better than "filler", but it can't touch Cold Fire. When it tried, Cold Fire just it senseless. Speaking of senseless, whoever decided fading out The Wreckers on Alex's solo was a good idea needs a themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Neil's drumming in Cold Fire is outstanding, so it's Cold Fire for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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