rushgoober Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 3 2012, 02:02 PM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jul 3 2012, 01:15 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 3 2012, 01:11 PM) QUOTE (Powderfinger @ Jul 3 2012, 09:49 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 3 2012, 10:41 AM) QUOTE (Powderfinger @ Jul 3 2012, 08:37 AM) The Wreckers might be my favorite tune on CA. But it is held back by the maddening decision to fade it out just when it sounded like a soaring Lifeson solo was ready to take flight. I'm hoping they'll stretch it out live. I listened to the album a few times before I heard anyone complain about this. One time when I listened again I paid attention to the fact that the song faded out since people seemed to be bothered by it. Just like the first few times I heard the song, it seems like a big nothing that the song fades out - makes no difference to me. The song is great. Fading it out doesn't register to me positively or negatively at all, in fact, usually I don't even notice that it fades out. No offense to you or anyone, but it seems like a silly thing to get caught up on. It's not "silly" to me. This is the first time I've said anything about the album at all. It was a considered point, at least I thought. As mentioned, The Wreckers is my favorite track on the album, and I invoked The Spirit of Radio and Limelight in my praise for it. I noticed the fade out on my first spin. I knew about 20 seconds into The Wreckers that it was my favorite track and I was totally digging it. Then I noticed with 16 seconds left Lifeson launches a stellar sounding solo with wonderful tone and they kill it. I think even just five or ten more seconds of it would have been much more satisfying. All I'm really saying is that I like it so much I want more of it... Again, it's my favorite track on an album that is probably my favorite since Signals. It's okay to have a few criticisms, no? If anything isn't that an indication that I'm listening carefully? It's all good, and I did totally appreciate and understand that you were coming from a place of loving the song. It was just a non-issue for me. It's cool if it is for you. Fadeouts vs. cold endings are probably a non-issue for just about everyone... but that's not exactly what he was saying. He said what bothered him was that the song faded-out just as Alex was firing into a guitar solo. I can certainly understand that being an issue for someone. I guess I'll have to listen again as I never noticed that either. Regardless, it's all good. Ok, I listened again and heard what you've been talking about with Alex sounding like perhaps he's launching into a solo at the end. It's not something I particularly noticed before - I mean, I heard that part, but it didn't really register. This time, however, when I was paying attention, I noticed that after the part where Alex was doing some guitar stuff, the strings surged at the very end drowning it out, so clearly it was never meant to be a guitar solo at the end. I'm still not hearing any of how the song ends as a negative in any way. The fadeout is fine with me, and in fact a pretty cool choice considering the string accompaniment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112rush Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. Followed by songs that were released earlier such as Bu2b, Caravan and Headlong Flight. Although I don't often skip tracks when I'm listening to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBob Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I do not agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two0neOneTwo Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Love it too. If there was song on this album that could gain a lot of new fans, Wreckers is the one. The Garden is a better song IMO but it would never be played on a rock station. The Wreckers has a chance. I predict that once this tune get's radio play, it will be huge. Yup, great song. Edited July 4, 2012 by Two0neOneTwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On TheRoad To Adventure Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Priest of Syrinx @ Jun 30 2012, 10:01 PM) I think it's one of the better tracks on CA. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82LUZ Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 LOL Brouhaha Sorry you guys but i have to laugh at this.God there are so many songs that i skipped over Between the Wheels,After Image The Pass Marathon (All of Hold Your Fire srry album just never had that cool teen feel)But as you get older and start going well what should I listen too....then end up hearing the songs you use to skip and go OH SNAP I get that NOW. But you guys should be thankful it is only 2-3 songs on this one,Not like Snakes where 2-3 songs you could listen to and go WTF to the rest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I do NOT agree. http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/laserspray/internet%20stuff/smilies/nonono.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Enemy Without Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 2 2012, 01:22 PM) QUOTE (Alchemical @ Jun 30 2012, 11:53 PM) It's just... a bit repetitive for my taste. The Wreckers is a classic. IMO - you have no taste. IMO. Are you some kind of idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (Two0neOneTwo @ Jul 4 2012, 01:47 PM) I predict that once this tune get's radio play, it will be huge. i highly doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Roller Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 that's the funny thing about music -- everyone likes something different. but i agree, Wreckers is the most skippable. good song. but still the most skippable on the cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 4 2012, 12:57 PM) QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Even if you don't like it, isn't it worth it for those synth LFO sweeps towards the end? That's one of my favorite moments on the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 10 2012, 06:45 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 4 2012, 12:57 PM) QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Even if you don't like it, isn't it worth it for those synth LFO sweeps towards the end? That's one of my favorite moments on the record. Rush music starts with the lyrics for me. If the lyrics don't work, I don't care how cool the music is. Yeah, the strings in the song are cool. It SOUNDS cool, it's just that the lyrics are a serious bummer, and IMHO completely unnecessary to the story - in fact, it drags it down. Thankfully it's brief, and it's a minor issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 10 2012, 09:26 PM)the lyrics [of BU2B2] are... completely unnecessary to the story Are you crazy? I can understand not liking the song; heck, it's "skippable" to me, too. But to say the lyrics are unnecessary to the story? It's crucial to the story that the character lose all hope, optimism, and faith. He needs to reach his LOWEST POINT, to set up the redemptive power of "Wish Them Well" and "The Garden." Without "BU2B2," there's no catharsis. When I'm fishing for favorite CA songs to play, "BU2B2" gets skipped. But if I'm listening to the whole story/album in one sitting, it definitely belongs there. Edited July 11, 2012 by GeddyRulz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyJeff Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 10 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 10 2012, 06:45 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 4 2012, 12:57 PM) QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Even if you don't like it, isn't it worth it for those synth LFO sweeps towards the end? That's one of my favorite moments on the record. Rush music starts with the lyrics for me. If the lyrics don't work, I don't care how cool the music is. Yeah, the strings in the song are cool. It SOUNDS cool, it's just that the lyrics are a serious bummer, and IMHO completely unnecessary to the story - in fact, it drags it down. Thankfully it's brief, and it's a minor issue. Wow- I couldn't disagree more. To me the lyrics of BU2B2 are crucial to the overall tone of the album and sets up for WTW perfectly. The whole idea of looking back on a misleading, false faith that was sold to him and saying regardless he still chooses life- this is a HUGE moment. For me it's really personally relevant: I just went through the biggest struggle of my life, and in order to survive I had to oppose the teaching and views of the religious leadership I trusted for years. I did not renounce my faith, but I did have to walk away from my church and most of my friends- it was hard and painful, but in the end I had to choose life. This album just gets to me because I feel like the entire thing is a metaphore for that experience, and BU2B2 is that moment I was laying on my bed, hardly able to move because I was too broken and emotionally shattered. And I said "I'm done,- this isn't working. I choose life". That moment set up the drive to get up, get in gear, wish them well, and move on. The thing is, I don't see BU2B2 as that dark- I see it as the emerging out of pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (SlyJeff @ Jul 10 2012, 08:59 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 10 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 10 2012, 06:45 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 4 2012, 12:57 PM) QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Even if you don't like it, isn't it worth it for those synth LFO sweeps towards the end? That's one of my favorite moments on the record. Rush music starts with the lyrics for me. If the lyrics don't work, I don't care how cool the music is. Yeah, the strings in the song are cool. It SOUNDS cool, it's just that the lyrics are a serious bummer, and IMHO completely unnecessary to the story - in fact, it drags it down. Thankfully it's brief, and it's a minor issue. Wow- I couldn't disagree more. To me the lyrics of BU2B2 are crucial to the overall tone of the album and sets up for WTW perfectly. The whole idea of looking back on a misleading, false faith that was sold to him and saying regardless he still chooses life- this is a HUGE moment. For me it's really personally relevant: I just went through the biggest struggle of my life, and in order to survive I had to oppose the teaching and views of the religious leadership I trusted for years. I did not renounce my faith, but I did have to walk away from my church and most of my friends- it was hard and painful, but in the end I had to choose life. This album just gets to me because I feel like the entire thing is a metaphore for that experience, and BU2B2 is that moment I was laying on my bed, hardly able to move because I was too broken and emotionally shattered. And I said "I'm done,- this isn't working. I choose life". That moment set up the drive to get up, get in gear, wish them well, and move on. The thing is, I don't see BU2B2 as that dark- I see it as the emerging out of pain. Glad the song speaks to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (SlyJeff @ Jul 10 2012, 08:59 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 10 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 10 2012, 06:45 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 4 2012, 12:57 PM) QUOTE (2112rush @ Jul 4 2012, 10:54 AM) BU2B2 is the most skippable for me. It's the only song I'm skipping, and since it's 90 seconds, sometimes I don't even bother. Even if you don't like it, isn't it worth it for those synth LFO sweeps towards the end? That's one of my favorite moments on the record. Rush music starts with the lyrics for me. If the lyrics don't work, I don't care how cool the music is. Yeah, the strings in the song are cool. It SOUNDS cool, it's just that the lyrics are a serious bummer, and IMHO completely unnecessary to the story - in fact, it drags it down. Thankfully it's brief, and it's a minor issue. Wow- I couldn't disagree more. To me the lyrics of BU2B2 are crucial to the overall tone of the album and sets up for WTW perfectly. The whole idea of looking back on a misleading, false faith that was sold to him and saying regardless he still chooses life- this is a HUGE moment. For me it's really personally relevant: I just went through the biggest struggle of my life, and in order to survive I had to oppose the teaching and views of the religious leadership I trusted for years. I did not renounce my faith, but I did have to walk away from my church and most of my friends- it was hard and painful, but in the end I had to choose life. This album just gets to me because I feel like the entire thing is a metaphore for that experience, and BU2B2 is that moment I was laying on my bed, hardly able to move because I was too broken and emotionally shattered. And I said "I'm done,- this isn't working. I choose life". That moment set up the drive to get up, get in gear, wish them well, and move on. The thing is, I don't see BU2B2 as that dark- I see it as the emerging out of pain. Wow. This is perfect. A perfect explanation of why BU2B2 is so necessary to the story. Thank you and God/dess bless Edited July 11, 2012 by HowItIs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (SlyJeff @ Jul 10 2012, 11:59 PM) <snip> Wow- I couldn't disagree more. To me the lyrics of BU2B2 are crucial to the overall tone of the album and sets up for WTW perfectly. The whole idea of looking back on a misleading, false faith that was sold to him and saying regardless he still chooses life- this is a HUGE moment. For me it's really personally relevant: I just went through the biggest struggle of my life, and in order to survive I had to oppose the teaching and views of the religious leadership I trusted for years. I did not renounce my faith, but I did have to walk away from my church and most of my friends- it was hard and painful, but in the end I had to choose life. This album just gets to me because I feel like the entire thing is a metaphore for that experience, and BU2B2 is that moment I was laying on my bed, hardly able to move because I was too broken and emotionally shattered. And I said "I'm done,- this isn't working. I choose life". That moment set up the drive to get up, get in gear, wish them well, and move on. The thing is, I don't see BU2B2 as that dark- I see it as the emerging out of pain. Excellent post, SlyJeff. I agree completely. No BU2B2, no WTW. I think without WTW, the Anarchist endures (unresolved by WTW and thereby no Garden). Protagonist wouldn't have survived the Wreckers and would have ended up exactly like the protagonist of 2112, dead by his own hand. The whole album unravels without BU2B2 intact and placed exactly where it is on the album. (imo) Very sly, SlyJeff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM86 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (Imaginos @ Jul 4 2012, 11:49 AM) I just don't understand this mentality of skipping tracks. Fair enough if it's a compilation album & there are one or two tracks that you are not into but when a quality band like Rush has taken the time to skillfully craft a concept album and designed the tracks to be heard in a particular sequence... why would you want to miss any of it? To me it's like skipping a chapter in a book or film. Completely disagree with that metaphor. Concept album or not, each song still has its own melody and notes, some of which people want to hear more than others. With a book, that option does not exist because there's nothing BUT the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) the chorus on this song, both the words themselves and the way Geddy sings them and the repetition, is really annoying Edited July 14, 2012 by jnoble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM86 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) Edited July 14, 2012 by NYM86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I agree I skip all the pther tracks just to listen to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ReflectedLight Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 QUOTE (jnoble @ Jul 14 2012, 06:27 PM) the chorus on this song, both the words themselves and the way Geddy sings them and the repetition, is really annoying +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 QUOTE (jnoble @ Jul 14 2012, 04:27 PM) the chorus on this song, both the words themselves and the way Geddy sings them and the repetition, is really annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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