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QUOTE (exiled yorkie @ May 3 2012, 09:22 PM)
Maiden has a proper f***ing fan club where fans actually get tickets up front at normal prices

Maiden knows how to look after it's fans

You failed to mention that the Maiden Fan club requires a paid membership - the same does not hold true for Rush. Secondly, the Maiden "premium" tickets are Pit tix - not sure how many Rush fans would even consider Pit to be an option.

 

I love the seats I get through both Maiden and Rush sales. I get to see both bands this summer.

 

 

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QUOTE (drgrendel @ May 4 2012, 10:26 AM)
You failed to mention that the Maiden Fan club requires a paid membership - the same does not hold true for Rush.  Secondly, the Maiden "premium" tickets are Pit tix - not sure how many Rush fans would even consider Pit to be an option.

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Iron Maiden presale = Fans get the best seats at the regular price

 

Rush presale = VIP Package [ $300+ a pop ] Arena presale [wtf is that anyway ?]

Music Today presale

Radio presale

How many presales does a band need ?

 

Maiden like Metallica do it right . Many people would pay a small amount per year for something like this . They should try it

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QUOTE (lerxt1990 @ May 4 2012, 11:38 AM)
QUOTE (rushfanforever! @ May 4 2012, 08:15 AM)
(First shows for this die-hard
Rush fan! Better late than never!)

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Yep, this 40-something? female is gonna definitely be in

The minority rockin' out, knowing most of the lyrics.

Hopefully, I'll luck out and be up close to see Alex's

(And everyone else's) reaction. He'll be amused for sure!

 

 

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Do you guys think I can snag two floor seats (Preferably within the first 20 rows) for $300 through the MusicToday VIP presale? :/

 

I'm really worried I won't be able to ward off the scalpers from getting the good seats for the Charlotte presale... eh.gif

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Can I also say in this thread. Floor seats are over rated big time. A nice low level section seat close to the stage is better than 15th to 20th row on the floor, imo. If I need to take a bathroom or beer break its so much easier if I'm close to the isle in a section. That's just me. I would take 15th row if I pulled it, but I would probably pass on 20th and beyond. Its not that great a seat being level with everyone else, and trying to see perfectly. It can be a nuisance.
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The only way to stop that machine is to have folks boycott the VIP tix. But guess what? People want those type of seats and they want to go to the show.

I'm not buying VIP seats. Nope. I'm just pointing out that VIP is just scalping. It takes away the chance of getting online early on sale day and getting a top choice seat. I say its bogus. You have a different point of view and that's fine.

I can only speak for myself.

Agree with ya wholeheartedly, Tick!

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QUOTE (Tick @ May 5 2012, 07:18 AM)
Can I also say in this thread. Floor seats are over rated big time. A nice low level section seat close to the stage is better than 15th to 20th row on the floor, imo. If I need to take a bathroom or beer break its so much easier if I'm close to the isle in a section. That's just me. I would take 15th row if I pulled it, but I would probably pass on 20th and beyond. Its not that great a seat being level with everyone else, and trying to see perfectly. It can be a nuisance.

Amen brother! Especially for the short folks like yours truly! (Except once my feet are set in front of the seat I purchased, I ain't moving until Geddy says "Don't go away.")

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QUOTE (Tick @ May 2 2012, 07:14 AM)
Anyone who does not agree with me is wrong. atickhum.gif bacon.gif

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QUOTE (rummut71 @ May 2 2012, 03:45 PM)
I still say give the seat numbers, pick up tickets with matching ID and credit card, immediate entry into venue. Problem solved. Like that tidal wave of common sense will ever happen though.

Which is, if I'm not mistaken, how it was last time around. Why did they f@#$ up a good thing?!

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QUOTE (Tick @ May 5 2012, 07:18 AM)
Can I also say in this thread. Floor seats are over rated big time. A nice low level section seat close to the stage is better than 15th to 20th row on the floor, imo. If I need to take a bathroom or beer break its so much easier if I'm close to the isle in a section. That's just me. I would take 15th row if I pulled it, but I would probably pass on 20th and beyond. Its not that great a seat being level with everyone else, and trying to see perfectly. It can be a nuisance.

I agree with Tick's philosophy (except that I am not interested in beer runs). For one of my shows which is LV, I have an aisle seat on Row B not too far from the stage. This is more comfortable for me since I can sit as much as I want and still be able to see clearly. I will take a shot at a good floor seat but those are much harder to find these days. I think the back of the floor is a ripoff if the cost is the same as the front. With the nice screens, a lower priced ticket on the aisle works for me. Also, I am 6'4" and I feel a bit self-conscience about blocking someone's view especially the delightful Kelly D. Speaking of Kelly D, I am only one person but I also don't invest in VIP tickets. I might spend extra on Stubhub if needed.

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Just like many I would love a close floor ticket. Can't ever spring $300 for any concert myself. My evil side would drive me to a music store first for another instrument. Like others have said before if folks stopped paying they may stop doing. But it's not going to happen.

 

Doing the math if you buy some of the stuff T-Shirt, program, etc. it brings it down a little. It's amazing how buying a ticket now is almost like walking down a virtual organized skid row of handouts. Up until the last click of "Buy Tickets" there is a bunch of tagged on options to take your money. Some might be well spent other options seem to be just a waste of "your money". After going through two experiences this week forking over hard earned dough for shows and seeing many seats selling out in minutes, crashing the Live Nation systems multiple times, I gotta say: What bad economy? And all I gotta say is 2.gif

 

 

Personally though no matter how good the seat that close is you miss quite a lot of the production that goes into Rush. On the one hand being that close is an experience unto itself and different than being in other sections. But farther back midway somewhere there are more sweet spots for taking in everything.

 

I got pretty close for the Time Machine 2010 leg last time around via pre-sale not floor close. This time took my chances and got second tier in front of Geddy this time round and am quite happy with it.

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QUOTE (Kelly D @ May 5 2012, 02:44 PM)
The only way to stop that machine is to have folks boycott the VIP tix. But guess what? People want those type of seats and they want to go to the show. [/quote]
I'm not buying VIP seats. Nope. I'm just pointing out that VIP is just scalping. It takes away the chance of getting online early on sale day and getting a top choice seat. I say its bogus. You have a different point of view and that's fine.
I can only speak for myself. [/quote]
Agree with ya wholeheartedly, Tick!

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Agree that VIP sales are a total waste and rip off. But posts that are okay with it justify it like talking about "this is capitalism" or "it is easy to get tickets." First, ticket selling has become a monopoly that creates an illusion of a free market when it really isn't. Call it capitalism but a monopoly is supposed to be controlled and have restrictions. Our political leaders get to many free tickets to bother.

The fact is these VIP packages are simply a "legal" bait and switch like cars. Dealers can be shut down for advertising one thing and selling another. But ticket companies are allowed to do the same thing without consequence. It is a travesty but the key issue here is the current structure of the "system" allows for it and we have to just deal with it.

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QUOTE (Kelly D @ May 5 2012, 11:56 AM)
QUOTE (rummut71 @ May 2 2012, 03:45 PM)
I still say give the seat numbers, pick up tickets with matching ID and credit card, immediate entry into venue. Problem solved. Like that tidal wave of common sense will ever happen though.

Which is, if I'm not mistaken, how it was last time around. Why did they f@#$ up a good thing?!

The Ticketmaster VIP program from last tour was a little different. Yes I had to pick them up at the venue the day of the show. However, I got them at 2:00 in the afternoon. If I was so inclined, I could have easily scalped them.

 

We have a VIP Concert Experience coming up in a few weeks, through VIP Nation (My first time using their system). We're supposed to get an email 5 days before on where to go and when. I'll let people know if we are directly escorted in or what.

 

Also, since we bought our tickets at the exact moment they went on sale, I will be interested to see where in the range we end up being seated.

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The following evil money making ticket formula applies to most shows with assigned seating that I have ever kept track of:

Sell only bad/not great seats during pre-sales and for the first month or two that tickets are on public sale because only fanatic fans buy that far in advance and will many times just be glad to know they have a ticket. True fans are your lowest priority because they will buy tickets no matter what and it's even better to soak them with scams like VIP if you can. Then try to entice more casual fans to attend by offering better seats closer to the event. The bottom line is that waiting is never a bad thing. In this age of stubhub and ebay, nothing is ever sold out and you will always get a ticket, most times close to cost.

I went to R30 with no tickets at all and found great seats for only $5 above face value. The scalper guy had a wide variety of seats as well, something you don't get when buying via computer.

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QUOTE (jjgittes @ May 14 2012, 08:07 PM)
Agree that VIP sales are a total waste and rip off. But posts that are okay with it justify it like talking about "this is capitalism" or "it is easy to get tickets." First, ticket selling has become a monopoly that creates an illusion of a free market when it really isn't. Call it capitalism but a monopoly is supposed to be controlled and have restrictions. Our political leaders get to many free tickets to bother.
The fact is these VIP packages are simply a "legal" bait and switch like cars. Dealers can be shut down for advertising one thing and selling another. But ticket companies are allowed to do the same thing without consequence. It is a travesty but the key issue here is the current structure of the "system" allows for it and we have to just deal with it.

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QUOTE (Tick @ May 16 2012, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE (jjgittes @ May 14 2012, 08:07 PM)
Agree that VIP sales are a total waste and rip off. But posts that are okay with it justify it like talking about "this is capitalism" or "it is easy to get tickets." First, ticket selling has become a monopoly that creates an illusion of a free market when it really isn't. Call it capitalism but a monopoly is supposed to be controlled and have restrictions. Our political leaders get to many free tickets to bother.
The fact is these VIP packages are simply a "legal" bait and switch like cars. Dealers can be shut down for advertising one thing and selling another. But ticket companies are allowed to do the same thing  without consequence. It is a travesty but the key issue here is the current structure of the "system" allows for it and we have to just deal with it.

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QUOTE (Apollo @ May 16 2012, 02:43 PM)
The following evil money making ticket formula applies to most shows with assigned seating that I have ever kept track of:
Sell only bad/not great seats during pre-sales and for the first month or two that tickets are on public sale because only fanatic fans buy that far in advance and will many times just be glad to know they have a ticket. True fans are your lowest priority because they will buy tickets no matter what and it's even better to soak them with scams like VIP if you can. Then try to entice more casual fans to attend by offering better seats closer to the event. The bottom line is that waiting is never a bad thing. In this age of stubhub and ebay, nothing is ever sold out and you will always get a ticket, most times close to cost.
I went to R30 with no tickets at all and found great seats for only $5 above face value. The scalper guy had a wide variety of seats as well, something you don't get when buying via computer.

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Every show will have plenty of tix being unloaded at last minute. Don't believe the hype, be a smart consumer, and prices will drop. Until then, bend over...

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