The Owl Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Has anyone besides me seen any of VH1 Classic's doc series MEtal evolution.... What a superbly done documentary series once again by Sam Dunn (Metal Headbangers Ball/ Iron Maiden Flight 666/ and of Course Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage) The series chronicles the early influences of Metal, music, it's origins.. early acts/ and the various sub generas associated with metal music... very entertaing... all aired episodes are up on the shows site http://www.vh1.com/shows/metal_evolution/series.jhtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 He has done a great job on this. The only two Major mistakes are not including Bon Jovi in the Glam/Hair Metal show and Pantera in the Thrash Metal show . How do you leave out 2 Huge bands from those time periods ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I like it. Didn't see the need for the "glam metal" episode. It went nowhere and didn't really add anything to the growth of metal - in fact, you might say it killed any chance of metal being mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I've enjoyed it. I do have a few gripes though.. They spent a lot of time on Aerosmith, but didnt really talk much about Van Halen, who were hugely influential to the Hair Metal bands.. And how can you talk about the thrash scene and not bring up Pantera?..they ruled the 90s with their groove based thrash, and Dimebag kept guitar solos rolling through the alternative 90s.. I thought he did a great job covering the grunge scene, with pretty much everyone he interviewed saying they hated the 80s metal scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastille Dave Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (metaldad @ Jan 9 2012, 05:09 PM) not including Pantera in the Thrash Metal show . Pantera is thrash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Jan 9 2012, 07:07 PM) QUOTE (metaldad @ Jan 9 2012, 05:09 PM) not including Pantera in the Thrash Metal show . Pantera is thrash? Thrash influenced at least...definitley part of that conversation..how would you describe them?..Power Metal perhaps?...Groove Metal?..definitley a Metallica/Slayer influence .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Actually, the commercial for the nu-metal episode features Pantera Overall though, I've enjoyed watching it and can't wait for the prog metal episode. I still can't believe they only devoted 10 minutes or so to death metal (actually just melodeath) and almost nothing for black metal. Seriously, how do you spend a whole episode on lame glam bands like Def Leppard who aren't even metal but only 10 minutes for extreme metal? To his credit though, Dunn did give a lot more attention to extreme metal in his film A Headbanger's Journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 9 2012, 09:59 PM) Actually, the commercial for the nu-metal episode features Pantera Overall though, I've enjoyed watching it and can't wait for the prog metal episode. I still can't believe they only devoted 10 minutes or so to death metal (actually just melodeath) and almost nothing for black metal. Seriously, how do you spend a whole episode on lame glam bands like Def Leppard who aren't even metal but only 10 minutes for extreme metal? To his credit though, Dunn did give a lot more attention to extreme metal in his film A Headbanger's Journey. I missed the previews for the upcoming episode...Pantera in the nu-metal group?..Should be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within 77 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 9 2012, 09:59 PM) Actually, the commercial for the nu-metal episode features Pantera Overall though, I've enjoyed watching it and can't wait for the prog metal episode. I still can't believe they only devoted 10 minutes or so to death metal (actually just melodeath) and almost nothing for black metal. Seriously, how do you spend a whole episode on lame glam bands like Def Leppard who aren't even metal but only 10 minutes for extreme metal? To his credit though, Dunn did give a lot more attention to extreme metal in his film A Headbanger's Journey. I can't remember where, but I read VH-1 cut out the death metal and black metal segments. Hopefully the series comes out on dvd and there's a ton of bonus stuff. I'm sure VH-1 cut out a ton of good shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hoping for that as well. Thanks for letting me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within 77 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 10 2012, 01:50 AM) Hoping for that as well. Thanks for letting me know. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodys hero Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) I've caught some of the episodes. Looking forward to the prog episode, as I read Geddy participates a lot in the episode. Edited January 10, 2012 by nobodys hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Owl Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Enemy Within 77 @ Jan 9 2012, 11:54 PM) QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 9 2012, 09:59 PM) Actually, the commercial for the nu-metal episode features Pantera Overall though, I've enjoyed watching it and can't wait for the prog metal episode. I still can't believe they only devoted 10 minutes or so to death metal (actually just melodeath) and almost nothing for black metal. Seriously, how do you spend a whole episode on lame glam bands like Def Leppard who aren't even metal but only 10 minutes for extreme metal? To his credit though, Dunn did give a lot more attention to extreme metal in his film A Headbanger's Journey. I can't remember where, but I read VH-1 cut out the death metal and black metal segments. Hopefully the series comes out on dvd and there's a ton of bonus stuff. I'm sure VH-1 cut out a ton of good shit. Yeah, Im sure the cuts are VH1 and not Dunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg2112 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hes done a good job overall on this, with the exception of the recent Grunge episode. His attempt to link grunge and metal, was a bit strained to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Jan 9 2012, 07:07 PM) QUOTE (metaldad @ Jan 9 2012, 05:09 PM) not including Pantera in the Thrash Metal show . Pantera is thrash? I don't think so but when they were talking about the End of thrash, they were the Only band to still sell albums and headline arenas . They showed the Pantera Logo but did not talk about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albone2112 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 QUOTE (greg2112 @ Jan 11 2012, 07:49 AM) Hes done a good job overall on this, with the exception of the recent Grunge episode. His attempt to link grunge and metal, was a bit strained to say the least. I have to agree, although I consider Alice In Chains and Soundgarden metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 There was also that part at the end of the grunge episode where he interviewed Nickelback and Creed. Not very pleasant to watch lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within 77 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm just glad The Melvins got some well deserved screen time. Amazing and underrated band! They were around long before grunge and they're still here long after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 QUOTE (Albone2112 @ Jan 11 2012, 05:54 PM) QUOTE (greg2112 @ Jan 11 2012, 07:49 AM) Hes done a good job overall on this, with the exception of the recent Grunge episode. His attempt to link grunge and metal, was a bit strained to say the least. I have to agree, although I consider Alice In Chains and Soundgarden metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 11 2012, 07:24 PM) There was also that part at the end of the grunge episode where he interviewed Nickelback and Creed. Not very pleasant to watch lol. that was weird. He was trying to ling them to grunge as some kind of post-grunge thing. I never felt that way. I agreed with both bands belief that they are more connected to AOR classic type rock than grunge. I was amazed at all of the Nickelback defenders on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Jan 12 2012, 06:37 PM) QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 11 2012, 07:24 PM) There was also that part at the end of the grunge episode where he interviewed Nickelback and Creed. Not very pleasant to watch lol. that was weird. He was trying to ling them to grunge as some kind of post-grunge thing. I never felt that way. I agreed with both bands belief that they are more connected to AOR classic type rock than grunge. I was amazed at all of the Nickelback defenders on there. Yeah that was odd. Who knew Jerry Cantrell was a big fan?...I think that segment was the only time I've seen any positive critical feedback on nickleback.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within 77 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Personally I think that whole episode didn't even have to be made. We've all heard about a million times by now- I don't need to hear about no talent Cobain and his shitty band anynore! The Melvins was the only band that mattered that episoed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Yeah that part kinda highlights the facts that grunge is pretty far from metal and "post-grunge" is pretty far from both. It would have made a lot more sense to air something about doom metal or extreme metal than an episode about a genre whose metal authenticity is seriously in doubt. Grunge has way more to do with hardcore punk than metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within 77 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (adace1 @ Jan 12 2012, 07:11 PM) Yeah that part kinda highlights the facts that grunge is pretty far from metal and "post-grunge" is pretty far from both. It would have made a lot more sense to air something about doom metal or extreme metal than an episode about a genre whose metal authenticity is seriously in doubt. Grunge has way more to do with hardcore punk than metal. Agreed. I would love a doom segment. I much prefer interviews with lesser known bands you never get to hear from- not Creed and Nickelback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adace1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Enemy Within 77 @ Jan 12 2012, 07:10 PM) Personally I think that whole episode didn't even have to be made. We've all heard about a million times by now- I don't need to hear about no talent Cobain and his shitty band anynore! The Melvins was the only band that mattered that episoed. Wait, hold on there. Nirvana might have been overrated but you can't deny the massive influence they had on the whole alt rock genre. Of course the Melvins were also massive influential in terms of inspiring sludge and post-metal but they aren't the only band that matters. Personally, I think Alice in Chains is the best of all of them even though they are more metal than grunge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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