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I'm still puzzled, as I haven't heard anything at all to suggest that they are Christians or that their music is....if anything - just the OPPOSITE!

 

Tarja is an opera singer....so does that make all opera singers Christians.

 

How can songs like 'Slaying the Dreamer', 'Nymphomaniac Fantasia', 'Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean' or 'Dead to the World', have a modicum of a connection to Christianity? unsure.gif

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I think if they get a male singer it might be a plus. This might be a good move for them IMO. She's the main reason I didn't care much for their music. I am anticipating hearing them in the future. I emailed the band and told them "Good Move". yes.gif
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QUOTE (Indica @ Oct 23 2005, 12:50 PM)
I think if they get a male singer it might be a plus. This might be a good move for them IMO. She's the main reason I didn't care much for their music. I am anticipating hearing them in the future. I emailed the band and told them "Good Move". yes.gif

Well, their bassist does do the backing vocals for them and I would love to see him take on more of a lead role in some songs.

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QUOTE (rickyrob @ Oct 23 2005, 09:47 AM)
I'm still puzzled, as I haven't heard anything at all to suggest that they are Christians or that their music is....if anything - just the OPPOSITE!

Tarja is an opera singer....so does that make all opera singers Christians.

How can songs like 'Slaying the Dreamer', 'Nymphomaniac Fantasia', 'Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean' or 'Dead to the World', have a modicum of a connection to Christianity? unsure.gif

Dead to the world

 

Heaven Queen

Cover me

In all that blue

 

 

Heaven Queen and Blue are the virgin mother Mary.

 

And what's a child but the baay jesus...

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QUOTE (kazzman @ Oct 23 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE (Indica @ Oct 23 2005, 12:50 PM)
I think if they get a male singer it might be a plus. This might be a good move for them IMO. She's the main reason I didn't care much for their music. I am anticipating hearing them in the future. I emailed the band and told them "Good Move".  yes.gif

Well, their bassist does do the backing vocals for them and I would love to see him take on more of a lead role in some songs.

I totally agree with you! It would be nice to hear Marco more. There are just some songs that Marco needs to take lead vocals in.

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There's more from www.nightwish.com

 

22.10.2005 - THE RECORDING OF "END OF AN ERA" -LIVE RELEASE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS

Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour.

 

Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all...

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QUOTE (defrushfan01 @ Oct 23 2005, 07:40 PM)
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If only I would've seen it before you did...

 

*searches Ebay*

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This is really sad. I just started getting into Nightwish (thanks to Kazz). I hope they find a replacement that can handle Tarja's stuff and still make her own stamp on the Nightwish sound. Damn... I hate when someone in a band goes all prima-donnaish. Yeah, she is amazing, but the band is what made her. This blows. I wish them much luck. Nothing would be better now than to see them rise to much bigger international success. What a slap in the face that would be to Tarja and her svengali husband.
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Ex-NIGHTWISH frontwoman Tarja Turunen has commented on her former bandmates' decision to fire her following the final show of their "Once" world tour, which took place on Friday, October 21 in Helsinki, Finland. Writing to the fan site Tarja Turunen Fan , Tarja said, "I don't have words to express my feelings at the moment. I am devastated. This thing happened in a way that I didn't have a slight chance to give my opinion about it. I got fired out of a band that represents the last nine years of my life and I am very sad about it. It has been very cruel the way the band handled this in public. This doesn't change the fact that we were doing amazing music together, but I will never forget the fact that they didn't give me the chance to say goodbye for the people as a NIGHTWISH singer.

 

"I love you and I really hope to see you soon in my concerts. Thank you very much for your kind words and support. I will never forget you."

 

NIGHTWISH recorded the final show of the "Once" world tour for an upcoming live release, appropriately titled "End of an Era". A NIGHTWISH book, which promises to reveal in greater detail the circumstances behind Tarja's departure, is scheduled to be published in May.

 

 

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Finnish magazine interview with keyboardist/composer Tuomas Holopainen

 

Nightwish boss will not regret giving Tarja the boot.

Metalband Nightwish gave the boot to their vocalist Tarja Turunen

after the last concert of their world tour last weekend.

 

It was published in an open letter, which criticized Turunen

failing to keep contracts and for being greedy among other things.

 

Rock world doesn't seem to have trade unions to solve problems,

keyboard player and songwriter Tuomas Holopainen?

 

"Not that I know of."

 

M: Tarja Turunen has discribed the style of the incident "cruel".

Do you regret the way it was done?

 

T: "Not a single minute. The decision was ripening since last January

and it has been thoroughly considered on all points of view."

Even I am the boss in the band who had to present it, it was made

by all bandmembers together.

 

 

M: How did uou ended using an open letter? Wouldn't the usual

"artistical differences"-explanation have been enough?

 

T: If we only gave it out with two sentences, it would not have

not given the right picture of us, and it would have been me

sitting at the phone for the next two months. I do not think

we made it on too personal things.

 

 

M: What kind of response you expect from her?

 

T: I heard she was shocked and accuses us for lying

but not a sentence in the letter is a lie! The way she has treated

us during the last year has bee at least as cruel.

 

 

M: How you were able to hold the frames up for so long?

 

T: I have survived, because the other people are so awesome, and we have

got the same goals. There have been so obviously two camps in the band

Tarja and her manager/husband Marcelo opposed by the rest of the band,

technical personnel an the band's manager.

 

 

M: You were arguing - on what?

 

T: Our working morals and spiritual attitude were from different planets

I do not want to have such a person in the band, who tells me that

she doesn't need the band for her career anymore.

 

 

M: Why did you stay with the deal of modelling for the Sampo-bank cards,

though you knew the next day the singe will be let go?

 

T: It had been decided in January. And it was arranged by our manager.

I had completely forgot the thing and was told about it only on the

last week. Sampo-bank took it wery well.

 

 

M: So, Turunen wont be scratched out of the cards.

 

T: No.

 

 

M: Your fans have been shocked for her leaving.

Will this effect on your popularity in the future?

 

T: If our nex CD will be the same quality as the previous, I don't believe

there will be a proble. If the CD will sell 100 000 copies instead

of a million, we will still be satisfied.

Success itself is not the prime issue for us.

 

 

M: Is it possible for Turunen to forbid the upcoming book or selling

band products based on legal issues.

 

T: I really don't know much about this, but I asked it from the label and our

manager, if this firing will happen, are we getting legal problems.

The result was that there will not become amy.

 

 

M: Will your new singer will be Finnish?

 

T: I will not comment. I can tell only, that there has no decisions made

on the issue.

 

 

M: In any case, would it be possible to hire Tarja Turunen back in the band?

 

T: At the moment it is very hard to imagine. I wish her all well in the future.

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Keskisuomalainen (Newspaper)

Oct 29th 2005

 

By Hannu Jarva

 

Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish has already made two new songs

for the new vocalist. Those are presumed to become success later on.

 

Tuomas Holopainen is retrieving in the nature. Hiding in the forests.

When the Once-CD was released, and the long tour began, he hardly

knew that his band would be the #1 news anywhere.

 

Not in his worst nightmare could he see the subject. This wasn't

supposed to happen.

 

Nightwish fired their beloved vocalist Tarja Turunen with an open

letter. Only an year ago Holopainen was afraid of her leaving the

band and thus breaking the great dream of the four guys.

 

The news on this week was prepared with an year of vast success in

Finland and in numerous other countries. The band were seen very

seldom in Finland. Records sold well, the band became an important

export product.

 

Once-CD did definitely raise Nightwish into a world class of bands.

Success of the album surprised also Holopainen. With the new income

he was able to buy something more than only the winter tyres

for his car.

 

Pessimists are now burying the past-Tarja Turunen-era Nightwish.

Tuomas Holopainen is not. He has alredy composed some music for

the upcoming CD, due in spring 2007. Holopainen's dreams will not be

buried.

 

He has been making new music in this week in Kitee, with all the fuzz

going on having a kind of mourning period. Two fully new songs are ready to go

to the upcoming CD and more is under work. Composing new is the best therapy,

says Holopainen.

 

 

In look for a gorgeous vocalist

 

 

Nobody has to be afraid of the band's style changing in any other direction.

Nightwish will continue on the old tracks, but with a new vocalist.

- Idea is to find the singer by the end of the next year. But if her can't

be found by the time, we can postpone the CD for a little further.

 

Right now many are sending hints towards Kitee. Numerous are those who think

they know what kind a singer Holopainen needs for his music.

- It'll be intersting to see, how many singers will run for the position.

After all Tarja is an icon of grand class, replacing her will not be easy.

The new singer will not be chosen for only her singing skills. She must be

gorgeous, charismatic and posess the hardest self esteem in the world.

We will not necessarily pick a Tarja-clone. We will be up to a slightly

new sound, also to the vocalist.

 

Though the demands are high, Holopainen knows that the fanbase will not

necessarily openheartedly welcome the band back.

- Sure we will get beer cans thrown on the stage when we appear there

with a new singer. Among our fans are a lot of fanatic, narrow minded

Tarja-fans. Those will never accept this, says Holopainen.

 

There is also a reason that Nightwish announced in good time the need

for a new female vocalist replacing Turunen.

- This will prevent anybody from getting the idea that we might continue

as a quartet, where Marco Hietala would be the only vocalist.

 

Since following Heavy Metal from his early years, Holopainen also knows

that his band will not be the first big name out there to change vocalist.

Earlier it has happened with Black Sabbath, Iron MaidenAC/DC to name a few.

- This fact eases me a bit, he says.

 

 

A number of Nightwish records still in the future

 

Tuomas Holpainen has got a feeling, that Nightwish will continue for long time.

- My burning for Nightwish is enourmous. There is a lot of young man's

enthusiasm still left in me. We have time to make more than a couple of records.

With Tarja it would never have been possible, beacuse she declared, that the

next CD would have been her last with Nightwish.

 

Many frieds of Nightwish-music will be interested in what will happen to

the old songs, when the microphone will be held by a new female vocalist.

No worries. The old songs will remain in the setlist.

- There must be used a sharp filter though. We have to think what to play

and what not. New arrangements must be done for sure. But we will not forget

our older CDs. It would be too low a thing to do.

 

Making the next record has strated already. Plans for it are ready.

Studios have been booked and making it will start in September next year.

The previous CD, Once, took six months to record, and at least the same

amount of time is reserved for the upcoming CD. The orchestra and the

choir on it will be the same from London that were used at the previous recordings.

 

When Holopainen has moved the 'children' of his creative mind on a demo,

played guitars and used synth to make the drums, the reast of the band

will be called at arms. Vocalist will be needed only at the beginning of 2007.

 

 

The troll called "Hit" chasing him

 

 

The first concert of the new tour after the new record is out will most propably

happen in Kitee in spring 2007.

- It will be nice to make a tradition out of it. Our tour has started there twice,

then why not again?

 

Holopainen is very confident on his new record. He doesn't feel afraid of

for the new songs nor the new singer, but...

- Most I'm afraid of for Tarja and the fans, and how people in the future will turn

into our appearence.

 

The sure thing is that the familiar theatricalness will remain at Nightwish's gigs.

There will be lightshows, fireworks, bangs and pyros and possibly a video screen

on the background.

 

It will also interesting to see, if we can find a Nemo-like hit. A band the size of

Nightwish will need a radio hit, even while making his music, Holopainen wants to

put out from his mind the need to fabricate at least one hit-song.

- I have to agree that The Hit sits like a little troll in my head all the time.

When a band gets to this level, the label keeps demanding for a CD-single which

can not be over 4 minutes long.

 

Before the new record Nightwish will publish a DVD filmed at the last concert at

Hartwall Arena in Helsinki and a book written by Mape Ollila.

 

Also Nighwish got on the Sampo bank card still with Tarja Turunen.

Nightwish has been taking part in many alike [commecial] campaigns,

but one they are going to refuse for sure.

- We will not involve in politics. I was delighted to see our prime minister and

candidate for presidency, Matti Vanhanen, at our concert in Helsinki, but I do not

want a picture of me together with him now before the presidential election. It

would not feel right.

 

Holopainen has also other musical ambitions than Nightwish. He will be playing keys

on the new record of Timo Rautiainen. Because of his burning to perform, he will also keep playing on stages next year.

 

After the long tour though, he is going to have a short vacation. A vacation here

meaning silence in the nature. Typically sitting by campfire and heating up the sauna.

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Man, I havent listened to Century Child for like 2 months, and man its refreshing to listen to!!!!!!!!
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If anybody's interested, the November 2005 issue of Classic Rock Magazine features an article on Nightwish. Look for either Iron Maiden or the Rolling Stones on the cover.

 

Quote from the article...

 

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"You take a composer like Hans Zimmer [whose film-scores include Gladiator, The Lion King, and The Last Samuri], and set him on fire with gasoline, at a lot of metal elements, plus and orchestra and a choir, then playeverything with a really hard punch and you have Nightwish"
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QUOTE (endlesslymocking @ Nov 27 2005, 08:00 PM)
Toumas and other members of nightwish as long as some memebers of kamelot cite their favorite CD as the gladiator sountrack....Does anybody have it?

No, but I have the film on dvd. I can't really blame them for citing it as one of their favorites because the score is just awesome.

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I was reading an interview of the drummer for Nightwish and he said his favorite band was Dream Theater. I just found that interesting.
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