Rehearsal Setlist according to RIAB

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:30 AM)

QUOTE (SpiritOfRush @ Jun 29 2010, 09:21 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 01:35 AM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jun 28 2010, 11:32 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jun 29 2010, 01:17 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 12:59 AM) do you just want to correct me or do you agree? Faithless + BU2B = Overkill. It's two songs out of 26 listed - 3 if you go Angels > Faithless > BU2B. I don't think it's overkill. Neil's been writing anti-organized religion stuff for over 35 years, how is this surprising to anyone by this point? he has? how come I never noticed it until S&A In the 90's, ghost of a chance..   Anything else earlier was really obscure in and hidden in the lyrics, but people still like to use that information just to say: "this is old news, get over it!" anyways... To a certain extent, I would say Freewill is another example. Yep Freewill belongs in there. He's brought this subject up in many songs before S&A. The Big Wheel, RTB, Ghost of a Chance, Prime Mover, among many others.   Its his most covered topic, thats why people feel its getting very old now. i'm freewilled out dude. they needed to make room for another tune.

[PennSt8r]

By the time this tour reaches Sept 16th some of the songs might be changed. It is not a great set list, but I am not going to complain too much. It is evident that everyone has their own opinions on how it could be better.

 

Highs:

 

Vital Signs

La Villa

Presto

Marathon

Time Stand Still

No Roll The Bones or Dreamline

 

Lows:

 

Stick it Out (Why???)

No Jacobs

No Driven

No MalNar

Alex's solo. (Love Al, but I could do without this)

[trenken]

QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jun 29 2010, 09:43 AM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:30 AM) QUOTE (SpiritOfRush @ Jun 29 2010, 09:21 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 01:35 AM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jun 28 2010, 11:32 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jun 29 2010, 01:17 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 12:59 AM) do you just want to correct me or do you agree? Faithless + BU2B = Overkill. It's two songs out of 26 listed - 3 if you go Angels > Faithless > BU2B. I don't think it's overkill. Neil's been writing anti-organized religion stuff for over 35 years, how is this surprising to anyone by this point? he has? how come I never noticed it until S&A In the 90's, ghost of a chance..   Anything else earlier was really obscure in and hidden in the lyrics, but people still like to use that information just to say: "this is old news, get over it!" anyways... To a certain extent, I would say Freewill is another example. Yep Freewill belongs in there. He's brought this subject up in many songs before S&A. The Big Wheel, RTB, Ghost of a Chance, Prime Mover, among many others.   Its his most covered topic, thats why people feel its getting very old now. i'm freewilled out dude. they needed to make room for another tune. Lol, no I dont mean in the setlist, I mean in the theme of religion and all that, like those other guys were talking about.   They're already covering that this tour with BU2B and Faithless, thats enough for me.

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:47 AM)

QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jun 29 2010, 09:43 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:30 AM) QUOTE (SpiritOfRush @ Jun 29 2010, 09:21 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 01:35 AM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jun 28 2010, 11:32 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jun 29 2010, 01:17 AM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jun 29 2010, 12:59 AM) do you just want to correct me or do you agree? Faithless + BU2B = Overkill. It's two songs out of 26 listed - 3 if you go Angels > Faithless > BU2B. I don't think it's overkill. Neil's been writing anti-organized religion stuff for over 35 years, how is this surprising to anyone by this point? he has? how come I never noticed it until S&A In the 90's, ghost of a chance..   Anything else earlier was really obscure in and hidden in the lyrics, but people still like to use that information just to say: "this is old news, get over it!" anyways... To a certain extent, I would say Freewill is another example. Yep Freewill belongs in there. He's brought this subject up in many songs before S&A. The Big Wheel, RTB, Ghost of a Chance, Prime Mover, among many others.   Its his most covered topic, thats why people feel its getting very old now. i'm freewilled out dude. they needed to make room for another tune. Lol, no I dont mean in the setlist, I mean in the theme of religion and all that, like those other guys were talking about.   They're already covering that this tour with BU2B and Faithless, thats enough for me. just play the new tune and leave out freewill and faithless. 3 tunes from s & a. far cry, armor and sword, mal nar.

[Todem]

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:01 AM)

I wish they would play some really old stuff, Best I Can, Lamneth, Necromancer, Something For Nothing or Twilight Zone, AFTK title track, maybe all of hemispheres, if they did 2112 they could do that. Throw in Jacobs Ladder, and Camera Eye, and youve got one hell of a setlist there. I think the fans would really react well to that stuff at the shows. Instead its just another pretty safe rush setlist.

Best I can? Necromancer? Fountain of Lamneth? Do you really thin they will ever even sniff those songs again? Really, you have to be be real about anything before 2112. They are so done with most of the back catalog. I don't expect any of that stuff ever again and have not since the HYF tour.

 

 

They have brought back old songs in Working Man, By Tor, Circumstances, Entre Nous, Digital Man, Witch Hunt, Vital Signs, Cygnus X-1 (no vocal but it did rock) the R-30 Medley was fantastic, Passage to Bangkok 2112 complete in 96/97 NAtty Science for 3 tours, Xanadu, La Villa, Between the Wheels, Prelude Hemispheres.

 

Rush has done a great job in bringing back some classic stuff. This go around we just need Jacobs Ladder and I think 90% of the complaining would cease.

 

It's the only tune that really needs to be played again to really satisfy the hunger for old epic Rush. They have covered a ton of stuff the last 5 tours...really go back to the CP tour till the Snakes tour (both legs) they have really brought out a bunch of classic epics and deep cuts.

 

 

This tour is no exception

 

Camera Eye

Presto

Marathon

Time Stand Still

Faithless

 

 

There are the deep cuts this tour. Toss in La Villa the new songs and other classics and we have a damm good set of music.

 

There are so many fans who dig those deep cuts I mentioned for this set.

 

 

I am pissed no question about Jacobs Ladder if indeed it is left out again...but other than that and Stick it Out (blech) this set is super strong.

 

Forget the pipe dream of COS stuff....it will never happen. And quite frankly they have so much better material than that album. other than the Necromancer and Bastille day that album is not a good one for them compared with the rest of the catalog.....old time fans are still clinging to the first 3 albums....but Rush let go of them after Permanent Waves.

 

I guess I am a Moving Pictures generation fan so everything from a AFTK-HYF is my golden period.

 

 

I agree about the title track from AFTK....that would rock. Something for Nothing will kill but they would have to tune down no question. Would I and everyone else love Hemispheres? Of course...but Beyond the Lighted Stage summed up their thoughts on that piece.

 

This is a very good setlist...ad a couple of more gems and most would be thrilled.

 

Was the 2007 Setlist better? No question it was. But i need to see and hear this before I give my final thoughts...so that will come in October.

 

 

Let the tour begin!!!

Edited June 29, 2010 by Todem

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (Todem @ Jun 29 2010, 09:54 AM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:01 AM) I wish they would play some really old stuff, Best I Can, Lamneth, Necromancer, Something For Nothing or Twilight Zone, AFTK title track, maybe all of hemispheres, if they did 2112 they could do that. Throw in Jacobs Ladder, and Camera Eye, and youve got one hell of a setlist there. I think the fans would really react well to that stuff at the shows. Instead its just another pretty safe rush setlist. Best I can? Necromancer? Fountain of Lamneth? Do you really thin they will ever even sniff those songs again? Really, you have to be be real about anything before 2112. They are so done with most of the back catalog. I don't expect any of that stuff ever again and have not since the HYF tour.     They have brought back old songs in Working Man, By Tor, Circumstances, Entre Nous, Digital Man, Witch Hunt, Vital Signs, Cygnus X-1 (no vocal but it did rock) the R-30 Medley was fantastic, Passage to Bangkok 2112 complete in 96/97 NAtty Science for 3 tours, Xanadu, La Villa, Between the Wheels, Prelude Hemispheres.   Rush has done a great job in bringing back some classic stuff. This go around we just need Jacobs Ladder and I think 90% of the complaining would cease.   It's the only tune that really needs to be played again to really satisfy the hunger for old epic Rush. They have covered a ton of stuff the last 5 tours...really go back to the CP tour till the Snakes tour (both legs) they have really brought out a bunch of classic epics and deep cuts.     This tour is no exception   Camera Eye Presto Marathon Time Stand Still Faithless     There are the deep cuts this tour. Toss in La Villa the new songs and other classics and we have a damm good set of music.   There are so many fans who dig those deep cuts I mentioned for this set.     I am pissed no question about Jacobs Ladder if indeed it is left out again...but other than that and Stick it Out (blech) this set is super strong.   Forget the pipe dream of COS stuff....it will never happen. And quite frankly they have so much better material than that album. other than the Necromancer and Bastille day that album is not a good one for them compared with the rest of the catalog.....old time fans are still clinging to the first 3 albums....but Rush let go of them after Permanent Waves.   I guess I am a Moving Pictures generation fan so everything from a AFTK-HYF is my golden period.     I agree about the title track from AFTK....that would rock. Something for Nothing will kill but they would have to tune down no question. Would I and everyone else love Hemispheres? Of course...but Beyond the Lighted Stage summed up their thoughts on that piece.   This is a very good setlist...ad a couple of more gems and most would be thrilled.   Was the 2007 Setlist better? No question it was. But i need to see and hear this before I give my final thoughts...so that will come in October.     Let the tour begin!!! they didn't need to play working man. give us something else to chew on.

[Running Rebel]

I saw a friend at work after the last tour who loved Rush but mostly the old stuff and hadn't listened to any of the newer stuff so he was complaining. The normal fan (aside from the hard core ones) will love this. A mix of new, but plenty of old with all of Moving Pictures, 2112, Working Man, Closer to the Heart, Subdivisions etc.

 

Everyone has preferences and there's a couple I'd switch but all in all it's an understandable set list. It will be a fantastic show.

 

I can remember thinking, "Between the Wheels? Really?" and now it's one of my all time favs and the live version just kills so I'll hold judgement until we see it. I think Faithless will be this years song like that.

 

Also, the questionable (and lighter) stuff like Presto is early as usual, like Entre Nous and Ghost of a Chance in previous tours. I'm fine with that and fills a niche for the Presto fans along with doing a different song.

 

 

[CJSage]

Disappointing from my perspective. Is it a setlist or a marketing strategy?

[Merely Space]

I find this set list very exciting. A couple of tunes I could do with out, sure. But that's almost unavoidable. JL? Sure, I'd love to hear it, but I was sceptical when I first heard it, so I'm not suprised it might not be there. Alex talks out his ass all the time, so I didn't regard him as a reliable source. LOL.

[Don Quixote]

QUOTE (CJSage @ Jun 29 2010, 10:25 AM)

Disappointing from my perspective. Is it a setlist or a marketing strategy?

No, not at all.

 

Coming Soon: Time Machine Tour Live CD / DVD set - buy 'em up!

 

I'm glad my tickets were free because I am not overly thrilled with this set list. I doubt it's a rumor.

 

AFTK is something I've wanted to see for 20+ years. I've seen Anthem when they shoved it into a medley on the RTB tour.

[tangy]

I wonder what would happen if they played MP first and got it out of the way?

 

Would the more casual fans bail?

 

 

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (tangy @ Jun 29 2010, 10:48 AM)

I wonder what would happen if they played MP first and got it out of the way? Would the more casual fans bail?

you know some would leave and that's why they strategically put it in the second 1/2. i'd rather have it spread out but that's me.

[ReRushed]

Let them play it, let them play it. Only then we can pass judgment!

[LeaveMyThingAlone]

QUOTE (Running Rebel @ Jun 29 2010, 10:20 AM)

I saw a friend at work after the last tour who loved Rush but mostly the old stuff and hadn't listened to any of the newer stuff so he was complaining. The normal fan (aside from the hard core ones) will love this. A mix of new, but plenty of old with all of Moving Pictures, 2112, Working Man, Closer to the Heart, Subdivisions etc. Everyone has preferences and there's a couple I'd switch but all in all it's an understandable set list. It will be a fantastic show.

I think you hit the nail on the head my friend.

 

The few hundred people that post on this forum reguarly are a minute sample of what the Rush audience will be.

 

Again, Rush is trying to put together a setlist that will please 3 groups of people:

 

1. Their hard core fans

2. Their casual fans that mainly only know the staples

3. Themselves! They have to enjoy what they're playing every night

 

 

This is not an easy thing to do. And reading through some of these threads it's comical to hear the different complaints:

 

"Not enough obscure songs from the vault"

 

"Where's all the GUP stuff"?

 

"Nothing off Vapor Trails"?

 

"Xanadu is a total Rush staple. How can they not play THAT?"

 

Rush can't win. This is a setlist designed to draw in a good 8000-12000 people on every show and I think they've accomplished that.

 

For all the people complaining to give Working Man, La Villa, Spirit, Closer to the Heart a rest, the other 95% of the people in the audience will be flipping out when they hear this!

 

"Stick it Out" may not be a favorite, but got a lot of video play at one time and even made it on Beavis and Butthead. It's recognizable

 

Time Stand Still same thing.

 

The hard cores should take a step back and realize this was never gonna be a true "B-Sides" tour for a couple thousand people every night (because that's what they'd draw). This is a major arena tour, and is a setlist I'd expect...

 

accept, yeah, I'm a little bummed about Jacob'sd Ladder LOL. But we'll see tonight, still crossing fingers

 

 

[GeminiRising79]

I'm not a terribly demanding fan, but this is an absolutely horrible setlist, if true. They have to bring more to the table than this if I'm going to attend. It is also a letdown knowing that Neil really doesn't want to do this anymore

[Rushman14]

I predict Jacobs Ladder will show up. Why would Alex mention they are playing it only to scrap it. I don't think the vocal is too difficult or anything.

[ReRushed]

QUOTE (GeminiRising79 @ Jun 29 2010, 12:03 PM)

I'm not a terribly demanding fan, but this is an absolutely horrible setlist, if true. They have to bring more to the table than this if I'm going to attend. It is also a letdown knowing that Neil really doesn't want to do this anymore

 

What? Is Geddy twisting his arm and Alex holding a gun to his head?

[ReRushed]

QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 29 2010, 12:05 PM)

I predict Jacobs Ladder will show up. Why would Alex mention they are playing it only to scrap it. I don't think the vocal is too difficult or anything.

My fingers are crossed.

 

You know, if they don't end up playing it, it's probably because they couldn't come up with an agreeable arrangement. I'm sure they tried to reworked it. Maybe they couldn't get it done?

 

Anyway, it's all speculation and conjecture on our part.

[powerwindows]

Everybody needs to calm down.......whether the setlist is real or not, the show is gonna kick ass. I remember people complaining about the Snakes and Arrows tour setlist as well.......and now some people say they prefer that one. I listened to Stick It Out off of Different Stages just now and most people have a reasonable complaint..(that song is kinda weak)....just like they did for Summertime Blues in 2007. I am confident that if this setlist is real......Stick It Out may be gone halfway thru the tour and replaced with something else.

 

Either way......we will all know for sure tonight!

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jun 29 2010, 11:05 AM)

QUOTE (GeminiRising79 @ Jun 29 2010, 12:03 PM) I'm not a terribly demanding fan, but this is an absolutely horrible setlist, if true.  They have to bring more to the table than this if I'm going to attend.  It is also a letdown knowing that Neil really doesn't want to do this anymore   What? Is Geddy twisting his arm and Alex holding a gun to his head? i think what's getting him through this is the fact that it's a short summer tour. when they do a world tour for clockwork, he will be digging down deep but also realizing that, hey this is the last hurrah and i won't have to do this crap anymore so lets go out on a good note.

[friendlyvoice]

QUOTE (GeminiRising79 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:03 AM)

I'm not a terribly demanding fan, but this is an absolutely horrible setlist, if true. They have to bring more to the table than this if I'm going to attend. It is also a letdown knowing that Neil really doesn't want to do this anymore

Neil hasn't been wanting to "do it anymore" since the late 80's, at least...and he was still a young man then. These guys are all pushing 60 and getting in/staying in shape to play a 3 hour show every couple of nights (plus the travel to get from show to show)--at the level of excellence they demand from themselves-- is bound to be more and more difficult. They'll be relying on "the soup" more than ever.

 

I think we're very fortunate to be getting what we're getting...a fairly short tour this summer/fall, followed by another next year?...I'd say that's pretty damn good.

 

 

[amish_ashaman]

QUOTE (Todem @ Jun 29 2010, 09:54 AM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2010, 09:01 AM) I wish they would play some really old stuff, Best I Can, Lamneth, Necromancer, Something For Nothing or Twilight Zone, AFTK title track, maybe all of hemispheres, if they did 2112 they could do that. Throw in Jacobs Ladder, and Camera Eye, and youve got one hell of a setlist there. I think the fans would really react well to that stuff at the shows. Instead its just another pretty safe rush setlist. Best I can? Necromancer? Fountain of Lamneth? Do you really thin they will ever even sniff those songs again? Really, you have to be be real about anything before 2112. They are so done with most of the back catalog. I don't expect any of that stuff ever again and have not since the HYF tour.     They have brought back old songs in Working Man, By Tor, Circumstances, Entre Nous, Digital Man, Witch Hunt, Vital Signs, Cygnus X-1 (no vocal but it did rock) the R-30 Medley was fantastic, Passage to Bangkok 2112 complete in 96/97 NAtty Science for 3 tours, Xanadu, La Villa, Between the Wheels, Prelude Hemispheres.   Rush has done a great job in bringing back some classic stuff. This go around we just need Jacobs Ladder and I think 90% of the complaining would cease.   It's the only tune that really needs to be played again to really satisfy the hunger for old epic Rush. They have covered a ton of stuff the last 5 tours...really go back to the CP tour till the Snakes tour (both legs) they have really brought out a bunch of classic epics and deep cuts.     This tour is no exception   Camera Eye Presto Marathon Time Stand Still Faithless     There are the deep cuts this tour. Toss in La Villa the new songs and other classics and we have a damm good set of music.   There are so many fans who dig those deep cuts I mentioned for this set.     I am pissed no question about Jacobs Ladder if indeed it is left out again...but other than that and Stick it Out (blech) this set is super strong.   Forget the pipe dream of COS stuff....it will never happen. And quite frankly they have so much better material than that album. other than the Necromancer and Bastille day that album is not a good one for them compared with the rest of the catalog.....old time fans are still clinging to the first 3 albums....but Rush let go of them after Permanent Waves.   I guess I am a Moving Pictures generation fan so everything from a AFTK-HYF is my golden period.     I agree about the title track from AFTK....that would rock. Something for Nothing will kill but they would have to tune down no question. Would I and everyone else love Hemispheres? Of course...but Beyond the Lighted Stage summed up their thoughts on that piece.   This is a very good setlist...ad a couple of more gems and most would be thrilled.   Was the 2007 Setlist better? No question it was. But i need to see and hear this before I give my final thoughts...so that will come in October.     Let the tour begin!!! Have they ever really addressed the reasons for being done with the early stuff? I am curious to know. I'm 43 years old and Rush has been my favorite band since I was a kid. I've moved on from a lot of stuff I was listening to at that time, but not Rush. I've never heard anything that has moved me the way Rush did (and still does), all the way up through GUP. I'm not tired of the old stuff, will never be tired of the old stuff, and am curious as to why the band is, especially since they haven't touched it in years. They aren't likely to write better material, and if they get tired of the new stuff, they've got a whole catalog full of stuff just waiting to be played.   I know a lot of people who like Rush. I never hear any of them say stuff like "Man, do you think they'll play a bunch of stuff off Counterparts?", or sit around listening to Hold Your Fire all night. Before I got my tickets to this tour, I asked 10-12 people if they were going. Most couldn't, but even the ones who couldn't asked me if I thought they'd play anything from AFTK, COS, Hemispheres, etc. Then they'll ask, "Hey, is the new stuff any good?" Most of them haven't even heard the new stuff, but they sure as hell know the old stuff. People crave the old stuff and I think the band might be surprised at how it would be received.   Really, how many of you listen to FM radio or sit around watching music videos? If I'm listening to music on the radio, it's XM or bust for me. People don't hear new music the way they used to. I don't know how many casual fans Rush really has, anyway. Everyone I know either loves them or hates them. Let me qualify that also, be saying that everyone I know that likes Rush pretty much falls into the category of white males between the age of 25-50. That's a pretty solid group to have as your clientele from a business perspective. You don't just have a bunch of kids out spending daddy's money at a Rush show. Daddy's there himself, spending his own money. If they started playing deeper stuff, a lot of older fans who haven't bothered to come see them in years would come crawling out of the woodwork.

[OxalisWombo]

From the 2007 thread where the set of the first leg of the S&A tour was initially leaked:

 

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/OxalisWombo/rushfans.jpg

[glennb2112]

i cant say im thrilled with the setlist(if in fact its close to the "real" one). i would love to have a "b"-side tour like alex stated in a documentary or article a few years ago. so i ask this. would you prefer a stripped down set, less people and all the obscure stuff or a stadium tour with all the bells and whistles? it is all about the music so i would love a B-side tour!! gimme a B-side tour!!!!

[girlfriend in a coma]

QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 28 2010, 02:31 PM)

It's just that the first set is INCREDIBLY boring. After Time Stand Still, I'll be sitting on my ass half asleep waiting for BU2B to begin.

 

When I first read this I was like.. that's pretty cynical.. but then I went and re-read the first set and I have to say it's pretty spot on.

 

As was previously mentioned the #1 wish of Camera Eye is there but nothing else really makes me go,"WOW!"

 

Hopefully this spoiler is inaccurate.