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A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The designated hitter was brought to MLB for one reason - to increase scoring. It had nothing to do with protecting the pitcher from possible injury while at bat. It had everything to do with generating more scoring, more fan interest.....and more revenue. In my book, that makes the DH an illegitimate baseball strategy.

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A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The designated hitter was brought to MLB for one reason - to increase scoring. It had nothing to do with protecting the pitcher from possible injury while at bat. It had everything to do with generating more scoring, more fan interest.....and more revenue. In my book, that makes the DH an illegitimate baseball strategy.

 

Baseball has done lots of things to increase scoring in the game and I don't think the changes make anything illegitimate.

 

In 1968, starting pitchers were so dominant that MLB lowered the mound the following year to spark some life into increasingly stagnant offenses. Pitchers like Gibson, (and his unbelievable 1.12 ERA), Drysdale, McClain, Tiant and many others, were stifling lineups and turning games into almost certain pitching duels.

 

The American League batting champion that year was Carl Yastrzemski. His average? An underwhelming .301.

 

Americans like high scoring games. And, yes; "Chicks dig the long ball." I won't fault MLB to want more competent bats in the lineups.

 

I have a more selfish reason to like the DH. Hal McRae of the Royals, who's career would have been cut short had it not been for the invention of the DH slot. He had rotator cuff problems that were beyond technological capabilities to deal with at the time. I would have missed out on a lot of his fine hitting through the years if he had been forced into retirement.

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A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The designated hitter was brought to MLB for one reason - to increase scoring. It had nothing to do with protecting the pitcher from possible injury while at bat. It had everything to do with generating more scoring, more fan interest.....and more revenue. In my book, that makes the DH an illegitimate baseball strategy.

 

Baseball has done lots of things to increase scoring in the game and I don't think the changes make anything illegitimate.

 

In 1968, starting pitchers were so dominant that MLB lowered the mound the following year to spark some life into increasingly stagnant offenses. Pitchers like Gibson, (and his unbelievable 1.12 ERA), Drysdale, McClain, Tiant and many others, were stifling lineups and turning games into almost certain pitching duels.

 

The American League batting champion that year was Carl Yastrzemski. His average? An underwhelming .301.

 

Americans like high scoring games. And, yes; "Chicks dig the long ball." I won't fault MLB to want more competent bats in the lineups.

 

I have a more selfish reason to like the DH. Hal McRae of the Royals, who's career would have been cut short had it not been for the invention of the DH slot. He had rotator cuff problems that were beyond technological capabilities to deal with at the time. I would have missed out on a lot of his fine hitting through the years if he had been forced into retirement.

 

Lowering the mound, moving the outfield fences in a bit, lowering the fences, etc. are definitely done to increase scoring. It still seems to me that making a fundamental change in the batting lineup (no pitchers) goes way beyond any physical changes to the playing field.

 

Zack Greinke prefers playing in the NL because he loves to hit.....and he is a very good hitter. Pitchers like him are penalized in the AL. They aren't allowed to use all of their athletic talents, except for when they get to pinch-hit, which is very rare.

 

Hal McRae.....I remember watching him play for the Reds in the early 70's, before he went to KC. His ticket to stardom was hitting pinch-hit grand slams for the Reds in consecutive games. Talk about gaining an instant fan club...!! :LOL:

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A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The designated hitter was brought to MLB for one reason - to increase scoring. It had nothing to do with protecting the pitcher from possible injury while at bat. It had everything to do with generating more scoring, more fan interest.....and more revenue. In my book, that makes the DH an brilliant baseball strategy.

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A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The designated hitter was brought to MLB for one reason - to increase scoring. It had nothing to do with protecting the pitcher from possible injury while at bat. It had everything to do with generating more scoring, more fan interest.....and more revenue. In my book, that makes the DH an illegitimate baseball strategy.

 

Baseball has done lots of things to increase scoring in the game and I don't think the changes make anything illegitimate.

 

In 1968, starting pitchers were so dominant that MLB lowered the mound the following year to spark some life into increasingly stagnant offenses. Pitchers like Gibson, (and his unbelievable 1.12 ERA), Drysdale, McClain, Tiant and many others, were stifling lineups and turning games into almost certain pitching duels.

 

The American League batting champion that year was Carl Yastrzemski. His average? An underwhelming .301.

 

Americans like high scoring games. And, yes; "Chicks dig the long ball." I won't fault MLB to want more competent bats in the lineups.

 

I have a more selfish reason to like the DH. Hal McRae of the Royals, who's career would have been cut short had it not been for the invention of the DH slot. He had rotator cuff problems that were beyond technological capabilities to deal with at the time. I would have missed out on a lot of his fine hitting through the years if he had been forced into retirement.

 

Lowering the mound, moving the outfield fences in a bit, lowering the fences, etc. are definitely done to increase scoring. It still seems to me that making a fundamental change in the batting lineup (no pitchers) goes way beyond any physical changes to the playing field.

 

:wtf: Changing the angle of every single pitch thrown has less impact than changing one batter?

 

 

 

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Reviving this topic since we started talking about it in the 2015 Cubs thread (or the NL Central thread, I guess).

 

DH is bullshit...if you're on the starting lineup you participate in all parts of the game.

Do you apply that thinking to football? Tell me why quarterbacks shouldn't play both ways?

 

That's an apples and bowling ball comparo IMO - the positions and skills are lined up as well. Play the game, man up, or go home. :)

A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The pitcher can hit the ball. he can bunt. He can work a count high. He should bat. Or throw away his tampons. Its a sissy rule IMO.

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Reviving this topic since we started talking about it in the 2015 Cubs thread (or the NL Central thread, I guess).

 

DH is bullshit...if you're on the starting lineup you participate in all parts of the game.

Do you apply that thinking to football? Tell me why quarterbacks shouldn't play both ways?

 

That's an apples and bowling ball comparo IMO - the positions and skills are lined up as well. Play the game, man up, or go home. :)

A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The pitcher can hit the ball. he can bunt. He can work a count high. He should bat. Or throw away his tampons. Its a sissy rule IMO.

It's not that he can't, it's just not that necessary. What does it add to the game, for the average fan?
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I saw the title of this thread, and thought it said "Designated Hitler."

 

Unfortunately, when I read what it actually said, I realized it was much worse.

:laughing guy:

 

 

Post if the day!

 

 

(How is that not a thread?)

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OPETH LYRICS

"Ghost Of Perdition"

 

Ghost of Mother

Lingering death

Ghost on Mother's bed

Black strands on the pillow

Contour of her health

Twisted face upon the head

 

Ghost of perdition

Stuck in her chest

A warning no one read

Tragic friendship

Called inside the fog

Pouring venom brew deceiving

 

Devil cracked the earthly shell

Foretold she was the one

Blew hope into the room and said:

"You have to live before you die young"

 

Holding her down

Channeling darkness

Hemlock for the Gods

Fading resistance

Draining the weakness

Penetrating inner light

 

Road into the dark unaware

Winding ever higher

 

Darkness by her side

Spoke and passed her by

Designated Hitter

Waits to pull us under

Rose up to it's call

In his arms she'd fall

Mother light received

And a faithful servant's free

 

In time the hissing of her sanity

Faded out her voice and soiled her name

And like marked pages in a diary

Everything seemed clean that is unstained

The incoherent talk of ordinary days

Why would we really need to live?

Decide what is clear and what's within a haze

What you should take and what to give

 

Ghost of perdition

A saint's premonition's unclear

Keeper of holy hordes

Keeper of holy whores

 

To see a beloved son

In despair of what's to come

 

If one cut the source of the flow

And everything would change

Would conviction fall

In the shadow of the righteous

The phantasm of your mind

Might be calling you to go

Defying the forgotten morals

Where the victim is the prey

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I'm old and a NL fan ...I think you know where this is going.

Have no recollection of starting this poll. Apparently it was my first. (Awww) So thanks nappy for the flashback.

But now that I'm older and feel it more :LOL:, I think the pitcher should bat just because he should have the chance to 1. get hit by a pitch and 2. look stupid swinging at a nasty curve.

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Reviving this topic since we started talking about it in the 2015 Cubs thread (or the NL Central thread, I guess).

 

DH is bullshit...if you're on the starting lineup you participate in all parts of the game.

Do you apply that thinking to football? Tell me why quarterbacks shouldn't play both ways?

 

That's an apples and bowling ball comparo IMO - the positions and skills are lined up as well. Play the game, man up, or go home. :)

A pitcher is as unique position to the game, just as a quarterback is. The NFL equivalent of the DH in the NFL is the protection from getting hit that a QB has. Special rule for a special player. An NL pitcher got drilled at the plate tonight. What if that hits him in the wrist? Cubs advance, but are done for the post season.

 

The pitcher can hit the ball. he can bunt. He can work a count high. He should bat. Or throw away his tampons. Its a sissy rule IMO.

It's not that he can't, it's just not that necessary. What does it add to the game, for the average fan?

 

It adds having everyone that bats get their ass out on the field. Thats what baseball should be. Just my opinion. QBs dont play linebacker in college or little league or high school, but some damn good pitcher are decent hitters. Let them all play ball. No lingering on the bench with a Harlequin Romance while other play the field waiting for your turn to bat. It just BS. :)

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I say break with tradition and make the game more exciting.

 

edit: Hey, I did it! My first poll! common001.gif

 

wonder why it didn't work before? confused13.gif

 

This is an awesome poll! I don't want to vote because I know the purists will win. I am an AL guy all the way baby.

So I am all for the DH!!!!!!!

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I put "fan interest" below the "way it's meant to be played". I know that other people (and most other baseball leagues including the AL) disagree and prefer something that pleases the fans but to me the sport should be played the way it's meant to be played. So yeah, tradition plays into it. That's why I despise the DH. It's just a scheme to generate more fan interest and money. Smart business? Sure. But it just takes away from what is, to me, actual baseball. Edited by BowlCity
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Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

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Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Us: Chicks dig the long ball

 

Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game.

 

Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook.

 

Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself.

 

Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis

 

Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam.

 

Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game.

 

Them: :facepalm:

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17-9

 

Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Us: Chicks dig the long ball

 

Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game.

 

Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook.

 

Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself.

 

Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis

 

Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam.

 

Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game.

 

Them: :facepalm:

Us: They actually believe that the double switch is complicated strategy that might be hard for someone to understand? :LOL:

 

 

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17-9

 

Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Us: Chicks dig the long ball

 

Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game.

 

Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook.

 

Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself.

 

Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis

 

Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam.

 

Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game.

 

Them: :facepalm:

Us: They actually believe that the double switch is complicated strategy that might be hard for someone to understand? :LOL:

Them: You seem to have forgotten that a large portion of AL fans root for the Red Sox and Yankees. Understanding simple concepts is not a given.

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Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Us: Chicks dig the long ball

 

Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game.

 

Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook.

 

Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself.

 

Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis

 

Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam.

 

Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game.

 

Them: :facepalm:

Us: They actually believe that the double switch is complicated strategy that might be hard for someone to understand? :LOL:

Them: You seem to have forgotten that a large portion of AL fans root for the Red Sox and Yankees. Understanding simple concepts is not a given.

 

Hahahaha, thats hilarious!

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Damn! I knew it!

This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: .

 

Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.

Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:

 

 

Us: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Us: Chicks dig the long ball

 

Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game.

 

Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook.

 

Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself.

 

Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis

 

Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam.

 

Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game.

 

Them: :facepalm:

Us: They actually believe that the double switch is complicated strategy that might be hard for someone to understand? :LOL:

Them: You seem to have forgotten that a large portion of AL fans root for the Red Sox and Yankees. Understanding simple concepts is not a given.

 

Us: Why are we talking baseball? Don't you know you're supposed to be obsessing about the Patriots' and Judge Berman's conspiracy?

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Is it the DH I loathe, or do I just like tweaking Goose? :)

 

New rule - anyone commenting whose team finished dead last in the MLB gets their opinion disqualified.

 

Talk to you next season :) :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That's a New York/Boston type of attitude, thinking their opinion is more informed because their teams have been successful in the recent past. Might as well say a fake tan or a hatred of busing makes you smarter.

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