King Crimson

[StellarJetman]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 30 2012, 09:12 PM)

The vocals are fine, the songs just aren't there on Islands.

They aren't bad, but they're completely anonymous, especially in comparison to Lake's, Wetton's, and Belew's.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 28 2012, 09:01 PM)

QUOTE (Hatchetaxe&saw @ Aug 28 2012, 03:57 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 28 2012, 08:39 PM) What the hell happened to Finbar?? Haven't you heard? No...?   Me neither. But I assumed you, blessed font of all knowledge pertaining to disappearances, alien kidnapping and anal probes, would know.   Duck, I'm kinda disappointed.

[ColdFireYYZ]

Apparently Robert Fripp quit music.

http://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=7155

[ReRushed]

QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Sep 5 2012, 05:00 PM)

Apparently Robert Fripp quit music. http://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=7155

That explains a lot.

[drbirdsong]

He's quit before. Fripp is an odd duck. Look up what Bill Bruford has to say about him. The guy tries to be enigmatic. I sympathize with his reasons, but life isn't fair.

[ColdFireYYZ]

QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Sep 5 2012, 07:54 PM)

He's quit before. Fripp is an odd duck. Look up what Bill Bruford has to say about him. The guy tries to be enigmatic. I sympathize with his reasons, but life isn't fair.

I love the guy's music but he really comes across as an asshole; e.g. he won't allow last.fm to display pictures of the band or album covers and has a long journal entry complaining about it. The site only streams stuff with the artist's/label's permission so its not like they're stealing his music.

[micgtr71]

I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard.

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM)

I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard.

Lizard

 

Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist?

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 10:03 PM)

QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Yes. Gentle Giant had plenty.     But Lizard is great!

[WabbaJack]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Sep 5 2012, 09:18 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 10:03 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Yes. Gentle Giant had plenty.     But Lizard is great! >Gentle Giant YES!   but, really, lately I've been jamming 80's Crimson, and that is a first for me. I'm loving it (Beat, Discipline, and Three are GREAT) I listened to Fripp and company a metric butt ton in high school, but never got past Red. Stuck in the 70's. It was a hard choice between Lark's Tongue and Lizard, but Lark's Tongue is just nuts. Absolutely nuts.   Also, can someone explain the hate for Islands? Call me silly, but I don't get it. I would've voted for that (or In the Wake) after Larks and/or Lizard. Forget about, In the Court of the Crimson King. Sure, it's a really raw and balls-to-the-wall prog sound, but the refinement they get ESPECIALLY on Islands is well beyond that. I am open to discussion.

Edited September 6, 2012 by WabbaJack

[They Bow Defeated]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 09:03 PM)

QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Just listened to Lizard for the first time in quite a while. What a weird but cool album.   It sounds to me a bit like aliens from Neptune trying to combine early Genesis with Gil Evans/Miles Davis.   It's very interesting and trippy, but I don't think I'll be coming back to it very often.   Up next is Islands, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.   After this, The Great Deceiver Vols 1 & 2. Really looking forward to these, as I think the Wetton/Bruford era is by far KC's best.

Edited September 6, 2012 by They Bow Defeated

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Sep 6 2012, 03:17 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 09:03 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Just listened to Lizard for the first time in quite a while. What a weird but cool album.   It sounds to me a bit like aliens from Neptune trying to combine early Genesis with Gil Evans/Miles Davis.   It's very interesting and trippy, but I don't think I'll be coming back to it very often.   Up next is Islands, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.   After this, The Great Deceiver Vols 1 & 2. Really looking forward to these, as I think the Wetton/Bruford era is by far KC's best. For the best of Wetton/Bruford live, just get "The Night Watch". It's got pretty much everything Great Deceiver has, but it's just one show and the performance is amazing!

[They Bow Defeated]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Sep 7 2012, 05:11 PM)

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Sep 6 2012, 03:17 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 09:03 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Just listened to Lizard for the first time in quite a while. What a weird but cool album.   It sounds to me a bit like aliens from Neptune trying to combine early Genesis with Gil Evans/Miles Davis.   It's very interesting and trippy, but I don't think I'll be coming back to it very often.   Up next is Islands, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.   After this, The Great Deceiver Vols 1 & 2. Really looking forward to these, as I think the Wetton/Bruford era is by far KC's best. For the best of Wetton/Bruford live, just get "The Night Watch". It's got pretty much everything Great Deceiver has, but it's just one show and the performance is amazing! I've got that one as well. I need everything from this lineup, including USA if I can track it down.   Just finished Beat and Perfect Pair and they were okay but pretty meh...   But THRAK is pretty sweet! I think I may prefer it to some of their earlier stuff. I like the heavier sound and Belew's vocals seem a lot better here. Now I guess I will need to pick up Construkction and Power to Believe.

[drbirdsong]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Sep 7 2012, 05:11 PM)

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Sep 6 2012, 03:17 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 09:03 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Just listened to Lizard for the first time in quite a while. What a weird but cool album.   It sounds to me a bit like aliens from Neptune trying to combine early Genesis with Gil Evans/Miles Davis.   It's very interesting and trippy, but I don't think I'll be coming back to it very often.   Up next is Islands, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.   After this, The Great Deceiver Vols 1 & 2. Really looking forward to these, as I think the Wetton/Bruford era is by far KC's best. For the best of Wetton/Bruford live, just get "The Night Watch". It's got pretty much everything Great Deceiver has, but it's just one show and the performance is amazing! +1   It is easily one of my top five live albums by anyone. I was so pumped when they released the CD. It stays on my desk with a few other albums for emergency KC when I need it.   In other words... Highly Recommended!   http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z437/drbirdsong/The%20Night%20Watch_zps0e80d721.jpg

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Sep 18 2012, 10:06 PM)

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Sep 7 2012, 05:11 PM) QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Sep 6 2012, 03:17 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 5 2012, 09:03 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 5 2012, 06:29 PM) I like Islands. It's not a bad record. Unfortunately for the album, there are so many fantastic albums by this band. Currently, I can not get enough of Lizard. Lizard   Does a more complex and sophisticated prog album exist? Just listened to Lizard for the first time in quite a while. What a weird but cool album.   It sounds to me a bit like aliens from Neptune trying to combine early Genesis with Gil Evans/Miles Davis.   It's very interesting and trippy, but I don't think I'll be coming back to it very often.   Up next is Islands, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.   After this, The Great Deceiver Vols 1 & 2. Really looking forward to these, as I think the Wetton/Bruford era is by far KC's best. For the best of Wetton/Bruford live, just get "The Night Watch". It's got pretty much everything Great Deceiver has, but it's just one show and the performance is amazing! +1   It is easily one of my top five live albums by anyone. I was so pumped when they released the CD. It stays on my desk with a few other albums for emergency KC when I need it.   In other words... Highly Recommended!   http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z437/drbirdsong/The%20Night%20Watch_zps0e80d721.jpg Yes, totally agree.   One of the best live pieces of all time. (official and bootlegs both)

[They Bow Defeated]

Wow, I listened to Power to Believe a couple times this weekend and am pretty blown away!

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/The_Power_to_Believe.jpg/220px-The_Power_to_Believe.jpg

 

I really like combination of the heavy riffing with the atmospheric keyboard (guitar synth?) stuff. I also like the vocoder effect, as it serves to disguise Adrian's vocals a bit. I really do think Power is one of their stronger efforts from any period.

 

If I were to rank the albums from favorite to least, I think it would currently look something like this:

 

Red

Larks' Tongues in Aspic

Starless and Bible Black

In the Court of the Crimson King

The Power to Believe

Lizard

In the Wake of Poseidon

Beat

Discipline

THRAK

The ConstruKction of Light

Three of a Perfect Pair

Islands

 

Overall, it's been a blast rediscovering KC, especially the Wetton/Bruford/Cross era.

Edited October 15, 2012 by They Bow Defeated

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Oct 15 2012, 05:26 PM)

Wow, I listened to Power to Believe a couple times this weekend and am pretty blown away!   http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/The_Power_to_Believe.jpg/220px-The_Power_to_Believe.jpg I really like combination of the heavy riffing with the atmospheric keyboard (guitar synth?) stuff.  I also like the vocoder effect, as it serves to disguise Adrian's vocals a bit.   I really do think Power is one of their stronger efforts from any period.  If I were to rank the albums from favorite to least, I think it would currently look something like this: Red Larks' Tongues in Aspic Starless and Bible Black In the Court of the Crimson King The Power to Believe Lizard In the Wake of Poseidon Beat Discipline THRAK The ConstruKction of Light Three of a Perfect Pair Islands Overall, it's been a blast rediscovering KC, especially the Wetton/Bruford/Cross era.

Nice ranking

 

 

So far, the only 90s Crimson I've really listened to is VROOOM (had it at the used music store )

 

Great album!

 

Which would you recommend next?

[Steevo]

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 29 2012, 09:39 AM)

What the hell happened to Finbar??

Bit of a theme this lately huh Not sure why he's vanished, but he's really missed. Damn!

 

And I need to get a huge dose of KC soon, a lot of fresh listens as well. Excellent thread for recommendations!

[They Bow Defeated]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Oct 16 2012, 09:42 PM)

Which would you recommend next?

For the later stuff? For me, Power to Believe is head-and-shoulders above THRAK and ConstruKction, but these are both still pretty good. THRAK has Bruford and the double trio lineup, but ConstruKction has some good tunes, especially Larks' Tounges Part 4.

 

 

[They Bow Defeated]

QUOTE (Steevo @ Oct 17 2012, 02:10 AM)

And I need to get a huge dose of KC soon, a lot of fresh listens as well. Excellent thread for recommendations!

Yeah, I was way overdue for a KC binge. I was always more of a Yes and Genesis guy, so I'm making up for lost time with KC.

 

Hate to admit it, but I had never even heard Red until recently. And Starless may be one of the best prog songs ever, in the ballpark with Close To The Egde or Supper's Ready.

 

Speaking of which, what a great video. Best Bruford ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C8v99kV1jY

 

 

[Steevo]

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Oct 18 2012, 10:09 AM)

Yeah, I was way overdue for a KC binge.   I was always more of a Yes and Genesis guy, so I'm making up for lost time with KC.

Right. I just wanna keep persevering with them. It's never really been my cuppa joe so far from what I've sampled, but it's time to re-evaluate and hopefully find some goodness. This thread is a good help and why I love TRF for assistance, it's never taken for granted

[They Bow Defeated]

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Oct 17 2012, 05:09 PM)

QUOTE (Steevo @ Oct 17 2012, 02:10 AM) And I need to get a huge dose of KC soon, a lot of fresh listens as well.  Excellent thread for recommendations! Yeah, I was way overdue for a KC binge. I was always more of a Yes and Genesis guy, so I'm making up for lost time with KC.   Hate to admit it, but I had never even heard Red until recently. And Starless may be one of the best prog songs ever, in the ballpark with Close To The Egde or Supper's Ready.   Speaking of which, what a great video. Best Bruford ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C8v99kV1jY Great video

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Oct 17 2012, 05:00 PM)

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Oct 16 2012, 09:42 PM) Which would you recommend next? For the later stuff? For me, Power to Believe is head-and-shoulders above THRAK and ConstruKction, but these are both still pretty good. THRAK has Bruford and the double trio lineup, but ConstruKction has some good tunes, especially Larks' Tounges Part 4. Cool I'll probably get Power to Believe next

[They Bow Defeated]

A couple weeks later, and I'm still really digging Power to Believe. :haz: It's even cooler for me after realizing that most of the trippy "synth" stuff on the album is probably coming from Fripp and his rack of effects:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giKVNoTDvOE

 

EDIT: Link not working? YouTube KC Live In Japan (TPTB tour).

 

I also can't stop listening to Red and the rest of the Wetton-era, studio and live.

Edited November 16, 2012 by They Bow Defeated