Official Dream Theater Thread

[J2112YYZ]

9 hours ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

 

me too it's not that long a wait.

 

and i hate when bands put out too many singles.....side rant, lol

 

i've know bands to put out six singles on a 10 song album and........why?

 

Mick

 

I struggle to think of any bands who don't release multiple singles ahead of the album these days. It's become a standard thing now. I'm pretty sure it has to do with wanting to drive streaming numbers up. The songs that are picked to be singles are released before the album and the record label will push those singles in the order that they came out in throughout the albums touring cycle. Perhaps there is also a mindset in the music industry that if people are familiar with multiple songs off an album before release that they are more likely to listen to the album in full. I don't think the bands have much say in it. It's strictly a label thing.

Edited December 3, 2024 by J2112YYZ

[Entre_Perpetuo]

8 minutes ago, J2112YYZ said:

 

I struggle to think of any bands who don't release multiple singles ahead of the album these days. It's become a standard thing now. I'm pretty sure it has to do with wanting to drive streaming numbers up. The songs that are picked to be singles are released before the album and the record label will push those singles in the order that they came out in throughout the albums touring cycle. Perhaps there is also a mindset in the music industry that if people are familiar with multiple songs off an album before release that they are more likely to listen to the album in full. I don't think the bands have much say in it. It's strictly a label thing.

Yeah. I still don’t like it though.

[The Analog Cub]

23 hours ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

Looks like they’re gonna put out another song from the upcoming album tomorrow.

 

Exciting, but I’m gonna wait for the full album to hear any more. I just feel it takes away from the first listening experience more and more the more of the album you already know.

 

I've taken the approach the past few years of listening to the lead single only just to get a taste, otherwise it's spoiler free until the full album drops. Night Terror is great but I'd rather wait till February for the full experience.

 

The exception was Haken because they released Nightingale a really really long time before Fauna was released, so I checked the other singles out and didn't really feel cheated.

[J2112YYZ]

I'm here to report that the new Dream Theater song sounds like a Dream Theater song 😄

[grep]

New song is decent enough. Sounds like DT, for sure.

[ytserush]

On 12/2/2024 at 12:42 PM, Entre_Perpetuo said:

Muse has gotten like that in recent album cycles. Like, if you put out all the good songs before the album on a lower tier album before it drops, what exactly am I supposed to be excited for on release day? Lol

Just because a song is released doesn't mean you have to listen to it. I just wait until the album is released so I can listen to everything all at once. Seems obvious but maybe I'm weird that way.

[ytserush]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:32 PM, J2112YYZ said:

I'm here to report that the new Dream Theater song sounds like a Dream Theater song 😄

Same as the old Dream Theater song.....

[ytserush]

22 hours ago, grep said:

New song is decent enough. Sounds like DT, for sure.

I'll take your word for it until February when I'll have my own opinion.

Edited December 5, 2024 by ytserush

[Segue Myles]

I just can't get into either new song. 

 

It's like if you put the code into AI to make a DT song, it's just...meh.

 

That sterile feeling that ruins their 2000s era for me is back, and I don't like it.

[J2112YYZ]

The new album is a concept album, right? Hopefully the songs will sound better in the context of the story 

[bluefox4000]

god the new singles are boring........hate to say i told you so.......but i may have too, lol

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

20 hours ago, bluefox4000 said:

god the new singles are boring........hate to say i told you so.......but i may have too, lol

 

Mick

It really is empty sounding. I'm sure those diehard fans who are unwilling to think critically will GASP at the frankness but, honestly, if I went to see them live and they pushed these new sounding songs over some long established classics, I'd be pissed.

 

These songs...they are as empty as the bottom reaches of the pop charts.

[bluefox4000]

3 hours ago, Segue Myles said:

It really is empty sounding. I'm sure those diehard fans who are unwilling to think critically will GASP at the frankness but, honestly, if I went to see them live and they pushed these new sounding songs over some long established classics, I'd be pissed.

 

These songs...they are as empty as the bottom reaches of the pop charts.

 

this is exactly the type of songs i heard in my head upon hearing MP was back and i mean to the note and i'm not exaggerating.  Now mind you they aren't bad songs at all.......BUT they are the types of tracks that made me sick of MP to begin with.

 

Again......they shafted Mangini for THIS schlock???????

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

6 hours ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

this is exactly the type of songs i heard in my head upon hearing MP was back and i mean to the note and i'm not exaggerating.  Now mind you they aren't bad songs at all.......BUT they are the types of tracks that made me sick of MP to begin with.

 

Again......they shafted Mangini for THIS schlock???????

 

Mick

I don't think they are good songs, so not sure I'm quite as kind. Are they BAD? Possibly not. However, there is nothing at all special about them. Schlock.

 

But I LOVED the last album and am sad it's never quite hit it with fans. It seems overlooked.

[ytserush]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:49 AM, bluefox4000 said:

 

this is exactly the type of songs i heard in my head upon hearing MP was back and i mean to the note and i'm not exaggerating.  Now mind you they aren't bad songs at all.......BUT they are the types of tracks that made me sick of MP to begin with.

 

Again......they shafted Mangini for THIS schlock???????

 

Mick

 

 

Music wasn't the prime consideration here. It was friendship.

[Segue Myles]

4 minutes ago, ytserush said:

 

 

Music wasn't the prime consideration here. It was friendship.

Then what are they doing releasing what appears to be an album of trite material?

[ytserush]

1 hour ago, Segue Myles said:

Then what are they doing releasing what appears to be an album of trite material?

So they can be in the same band and hang out more. It's their choice. We're just along for the ride if we want to be.

[bluefox4000]

1 hour ago, ytserush said:

 

 

Music wasn't the prime consideration here. It was friendship.

 

 

cool but new music of subpar quality for.........Friendship.  just do the reunion tour without the new stuff.  that really is fine too.

 

maybe i'm over doing this.......probably am.......but it pisses me off.

 

Mick

[ytserush]

On 12/15/2024 at 12:19 PM, bluefox4000 said:

 

 

cool but new music of subpar quality for.........Friendship.  just do the reunion tour without the new stuff.  that really is fine too.

 

maybe i'm over doing this.......probably am.......but it pisses me off.

 

Mick

 

 

Never said I was happy with it either. They enjoy being together. Touring is where the money is.  The people who gave up on the band after he quit are happy this tour and the people who want to hear the new music will be happy on the next leg. Kind of a win-win for them. As you might expect they have adopted the Rush/Iron Maiden touring model. Alternating the nostalgia and current setlists for each touring cycle. Metallica might have adopted that strategy too. Not as familiar with how they tour.

[J2112YYZ]

6 hours ago, ytserush said:

 

 

Never said I was happy with it either. They enjoy being together. Touring is where the money is.  The people who gave up on the band after he quit are happy this tour and the people who want to hear the new music will be happy on the next leg. Kind of a win-win for them. As you might expect they have adopted the Rush/Iron Maiden touring model. Alternating the nostalgia and current setlists for each touring cycle. Metallica might have adopted that strategy too. Not as familiar with how they tour.

 

Metallica's last tour was being booked as a no repeat weekend. They would play two shows in the same city, usually a Friday and Sunday, and the setlists would be completely different. They did a mix of new and older with the older songs getting more rotation. When they tour normally there is usually five or six songs in each set that get switched around every show.

[grep]

On 12/15/2024 at 10:46 AM, Segue Myles said:

Then what are they doing releasing what appears to be an album of trite material?

$$?

[bluefox4000]

24 minutes ago, grep said:

$$?

 

 

Money or maybe they just want too, lol.

 

ya know i've stepped back a bit and it's kinda dick to say why bother releasing music.  just cause a few fans don't like it.  I mean i hate the songs but to say they just shouldn't cause i don't like it is WILD, lol

 

Mick

Edited December 21, 2024 by bluefox4000

[The Analog Cub]

With DT, the sum is typically greater than its parts for me, and it's especially true with the last two Mangini albums. I think DoT and A View are some of their best work, but yes if you single out a random song from either it's all too easy to say "yep it's DT following their DT formula again". If the trend is to continue with these guys, Parasomnia is probably best enjoyed in full rather than by a couple singles. We'll see how it shakes out, of course, I wasn't thrilled when Mangini got the boot because of how much I enjoyed the last two albums, but Portnoy coming back isn't inherently a bad thing. I seriously doubt we're gonna be cursed with another cheese-fest like Systematic Chaos.

Edited December 21, 2024 by The Analog Cub

[bluefox4000]

1 hour ago, The Analog Cub said:

With DT, the sum is typically greater than its parts for me, and it's especially true with the last two Mangini albums. I think DoT and A View are some of their best work, but yes if you single out a random song from either it's all too easy to say "yep it's DT following their DT formula again". If the trend is to continue with these guys, Parasomnia is probably best enjoyed in full rather than by a couple singles. We'll see how it shakes out, of course, I wasn't thrilled when Mangini got the boot because of how much I enjoyed the last two albums, but Portnoy coming back isn't inherently a bad thing. I seriously doubt we're gonna be cursed with another cheese-fest like Systematic Chaos.

 

i really like this explanation.  It's so hard not to jump to conclusions with singles.  Cause i've hated singles beforebut than loved an album.

 

so i'm trying to roll back my negativity.  cause we won't know how we really feel till the album drops.

 

Mick

[Entre_Perpetuo]

1 hour ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

i really like this explanation.  It's so hard not to jump to conclusions with singles.  Cause i've hated singles beforebut than loved an album.

 

so i'm trying to roll back my negativity.  cause we won't know how we really feel till the album drops.

 

Mick

Sometimes you won’t know even till the albums been out for a while. I really thought A View was a disappointment for the first few weeks, then I came around on it massively.

 

Also yeah those first DoT singles weren’t all that special (aside from NOT being The Astonishing again), but when the album in full was released you could see it was actually one of their tightest works. Plus I don’t think they put out Barstool Warrior ahead of time… which is absolutely bizzare in hindsight.