ytserush Posted March 14 Posted March 14 13 minutes ago, chemistry1973 said: Or the first date is the master shot live recording without an audience! Just thought the same thing.... 1
fraroc Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Watching the Subdivisions performance, I so wish that Ged used the Oberheim instead of the PPG Wave 2.3. Its not a bad synth, its just missing the classic 80s sawtoothness that the Oberheim has on songs like Subdivisions and Jump. At least this is when Ged was stil using analog synths live as opposed to just having a Yamaha KX76 and three Casio midi controllers like on Power Windows and HYF 2
grep Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 hours ago, fraroc said: Some of the people in the comments and on the Rush subreddit are getting really f***ing annoying about the new GUP live footage. I get that theres some editing mistakes but some of the comments I'm seeing border from being unecessarily nitpicky about the new footage to outright accusations that Geddy and Alex are trying to somehow "erase" Neil from their legacy. Even if Rush + Annika is ultimately about securing a nest egg for their kids and grandkids, to have the temerity to try and say that Ged and Al are trying to erase Neil or pretend he didn't matter much in the long run is a f***ing outrageous accusation. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have waited all this time to get permission from Neil's wife and daughter to use the Rush name. Redditors are gonna' Reddit. f**k em'. 1
grep Posted March 15 Posted March 15 7 hours ago, ytserush said: I think they restored Count Floyd in all his glory. ARWOOOOO!!!! 1
Bahamas Posted March 15 Posted March 15 So much new stuff with the band, amazing. I saw on You Tube today, the new version of Enemy Within released only yesterday (on You Tube) on the Rush Channel. As with the other new mixes, more attention to drum notes, vocals more in front as well. Enemy Within sounds fantastic (on You Tube, ha ha!). And the most obvious change to me was when the expected keyboard note - low, strong, powerful, is less so. Other sounds are brought more up front. There is more the music of a trio and not a series of sections of the song, each to be bookmarked with a thundering note. Sound great!
Pressure/Hopenosis Posted March 15 Posted March 15 22 hours ago, Timbale said: Well, to quote an old sage, "You can twist perception - reality won't budge". I would say regardless of perception, the reality is they have released a new version of an old available concert, and the new version has much reduced coverage of Neil, and a lot of out of sync moments when he is covered...which at minimum reeks of "just throw it in...it doesn't matter". It makes sense to me that people would notice it and have feelings around it. I think that it shows a lack of care or of valuing his importance. If the band had said something (and who knows, maybe they will) along the lines of "this is a more true representation of that one night, and there was only so much footage of Neil" it would make sense...but I imagine, given that it seems more clear now that the original VHS is more of a Frankenstein, this seems like a can of worms they wouldn't want to open. And I imagine for newer fans, and/or more casual fans, it's a non-issue. But Rush has obsessive fans...fans who have watched that original concert many many times...they're gonna notice that Neil is covered more like regular drummers are often covered in concert footage, not like a leg of a three-legged, power trio dog. The out of sync parts drive me nuts! But the overall presentation of a concert that's decades old and we all may have never seen? I'm ok with it. 2
rugen Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Watching the concert for the second time on my TV and i don't have a single sync issue.
Vectorman Posted March 15 Posted March 15 18 hours ago, fraroc said: Watching the Subdivisions performance, I so wish that Ged used the Oberheim instead of the PPG Wave 2.3. Its not a bad synth, its just missing the classic 80s sawtoothness that the Oberheim has on songs like Subdivisions and Jump. At least this is when Ged was stil using analog synths live as opposed to just having a Yamaha KX76 and three Casio midi controllers like on Power Windows and HYF I'm guessing it was at least partly the novelty of the PPG being the newest toy in the box and wanting to use it a lot. It can also be a bit less comfortable playing two-handed synth parts on an upper-tier keyboard while wearing a bass guitar depending on the height of the 2nd tier, so maybe that factored in some. But yeah, you don't get the same swimmy/sludgy mass of sound he would've gotten from the OB-Xa, eh? He did at least have one analog or hybrid synth onstage for the next two tours (Jupiter 8 for Power Windows and Prophet VS for HYF). After that, things definitely started going all-digital fast. 2
Ron2112 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 22 hours ago, rugen said: Watching the concert for the second time on my TV and i don't have a single sync issue. They're there, but I do agree with you that as an issue, the whole sync-thing is completely and totally overblown. It's a few seconds here and there, generally on the bits that were cut in the original VHS release.
TheGhostRider Posted March 16 Posted March 16 On 3/14/2026 at 10:16 AM, fraroc said: Some of the people in the comments and on the Rush subreddit are getting really f***ing annoying about the new GUP live footage. I get that theres some editing mistakes but some of the comments I'm seeing border from being unecessarily nitpicky about the new footage to outright accusations that Geddy and Alex are trying to somehow "erase" Neil from their legacy. Even if Rush + Annika is ultimately about securing a nest egg for their kids and grandkids, to have the temerity to try and say that Ged and Al are trying to erase Neil or pretend he didn't matter much in the long run is a f***ing outrageous accusation. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have waited all this time to get permission from Neil's wife and daughter to use the Rush name. This is Reddit 101 nonsense. Make an absolutely insane accusation with no facts or evidence, and pass it off as "fact". It's one of the reasons why I avoid the website like the plague now. 1
James Bond Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I love the raw intensity of this particular Subdivisions. Neil changing up some fills, Geddy having some cool variations on the melody, and the increased tempo. Makes for a pretty raw performance of a synth-driven song by a band usually so exacting. A mighty refreshing version of my favourite tune. 1
TheGhostRider Posted March 16 Posted March 16 For anyone interested here, is a rundown on the footage a friend did. The Enemy Within - A different night than original, cool it was mostly all new. The Body Electric - Seems like they only had Geddy footage for most of it. The Weapon - A different night, different Count Floyd audio. And maybe footage? a lot of Geddy vocals in solo not in original. Witch Hunt - Seems overdubbed screen films come from original release, idk not sure. Half and half, actually no, that was way more complete then I ever seen that screen film. Must still have original footage for the edit. Definitely dubbed in. Different performance to original release too! I think Neil drops a stick off screen based off Geddy's reaction and kinda delayed drum roll, it's right after he throws it in the air. New World Man - Missing intro, probably copyright?? Synths are really different, think this a different night too. I'm getting the vibe the original release is mostly the first night and this is mostly the 2nd night, pretty interesting. Crazy how much of this is brand new, wasn't expecting this. Feel like most bad sync shots are on purpose to add variety to not a lot of cameras angles to work with, going out of there way to use a different night for every song on the original release so far. The sync is mostly right for everything so far. Between The Wheels - Cool to see red strat. Some bad Neil shots. All from the end of the song but in the beginning. Odd. BTW has a lot of weird edits. Up to this point the audio matched the visuals. Now it seems like the video is a different night than the audio being played. But also just bad edits. Those fills in the beginning are not played in the right spot later. Can barely make out the P/G Laser, pretty much gotta know it's there to notice. Limitations of tape. I wonder why the right nights audio couldn't be used?? Like it's definitely a different night over the footage, and it has definitely not been like that so far. Red Barchetta - Cameras seem to be a mix of 2 nights. It's mostly right, besides typical weird Neil shots. Alex cameras are perfect, Geddy cameras are off I noticed, maybe they only had some to work with again. The bad syncs again are because of wrong audio, but it's perfect for Alex close ups, maybe he's just more consistent? Idk. Not all Geddy shots are wrong, just one angle. Distant Early Warning - Missing video, odd they didn't just pull from official. Good example of how bad the screen film was captured by the tape, doesn't surprise me based off things I've seen with tape and capturing projected film. Looks no better than the bootlegs lol. Interesting Witch Hunt was preserved. Different night than original release again. Crazy how much better the syncs are on the songs that were on the original night, even though it's a different version all together. Red Sector A - Different performance again. Sync is perfect, minus typical odd balls. Closer To The Heart - hmm breaks the pattern, songs In the original but the audio doesn't match the video. Very little is right, can actually see quality difference. Accurate shots are better looking. I think the lower quality shots are taken straight from the original. The most original shots I've seen used since spirit of radio. YYZ - Lots of reused shots from original, again you can actually see the quality different. Different audio again. Crazy they didn't get those YYZ drum fills right. That's just bad. They are clearly taking a lot from the original edit on this song, no excuse. Yeah it's a different night from the original audio wise. 2112 - Same thing, different audio than original but a lot of reused clips from the original. I really noticed the original is mostly one night audio wise, and this is mostly a different night audio wise. Tom Sawyer - Different night again. Sync is really good so far. Some reused shots buts it's much better. Getting worse at the end. Red Lenses - Audio doesn't match video, think it's night one video with night two audio or vice-versa. I hope it's that so you can sync with the boot. I feel bad for the editor, bro had to sync the audio of a different performance to this!! So much little improv in the drum solo and bass solo at the end. They did there best, the right audio just isn't there. I wonder if the video was edited to a different audio than the final TB live mix. Vital Signs - Pretty sure it's a different night again, actually syncs good. Gets bad at the end again. Finding My Way + In The Mood - All new, sync is actually pretty ok. Like Quote Reply Report 8
lerxt1990 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 On 3/14/2026 at 1:16 PM, fraroc said: Some of the people in the comments and on the Rush subreddit are getting really f***ing annoying about the new GUP live footage. I get that theres some editing mistakes but some of the comments I'm seeing border from being unecessarily nitpicky about the new footage to outright accusations that Geddy and Alex are trying to somehow "erase" Neil from their legacy. Even if Rush + Annika is ultimately about securing a nest egg for their kids and grandkids, to have the temerity to try and say that Ged and Al are trying to erase Neil or pretend he didn't matter much in the long run is a f***ing outrageous accusation. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have waited all this time to get permission from Neil's wife and daughter to use the Rush name. Anyone who would state that about Geddy and Alex doesn't even remotely know or follow the band. It's silly. 1
Disco Posted March 16 Posted March 16 4 hours ago, Ron2112 said: They're there, but I do agree with you that as an issue, the whole sync-thing is completely and totally overblown. It's a few seconds here and there, generally on the bits that were cut in the original VHS release. I have no specialism in this field at all, and wouldn't pick up in minor sync issues...but it's wildly out! Check out, well almost any part, but the solo in Betwene the Wheels...Alex is bending notes so you know what's coming in a few seconds. If there are any audio syncers out there who have been looking for work they must be irked, they were certainly needed here. In the end though, I guess its great to have the footage. 2
XanaD.E.W. Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) I've viewed this concert on YouTube many times now and love it, despite the glaring synching issues and the lack of showing Neil. But the times that Neil was featured, the side view was the best (like in Kid Gloves for instance where he's doing those cool sixteenths on the hi-hat and of course, the drum solo) and wish they had incorporated more of that. But love the setlist and the new camera angles. Like the different "The Weapon" intro where Count Floyd say something along the line of "and those drums, man--do it!" That wasn't on the original GUP Live release (do an a/b comparison to hear what I am talking about). Edited March 17 by XanaD.E.W. 2
Ron2112 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Will note that as a subtext to the whole video discussion, it's cool (to me) that the video we all grew up with is not rendered obsolete by this new Bluray. There's still a reason to go back and dig out the DVD if you want to watch the original camera shots. 2
Gemari77 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Glad to see sanity here on The Rush Forum. As someone mentioned, the comments on Reddit AND on the Facebook Rush groups got to be so ridiculous and ignorant that I had to tap out and disconnect from the online Rush world for a few days while I immersed myself in this Box set and the contents… which I LOVE!! This is the first set that I pre-ordered rather than wait months to get it at a discount and it fulfilled everything to me personally that I hoped it would. And it actually made me emotional watching these young men blaze through these songs with such energy and conviction. I mean, to have ALL this new footage and different angles of an entire 80’s Rush concert, but focus on just the negatives is baffling to me. But hey, we’re all different and I try to respect that… 3
Ged Lent's sis Posted March 17 Posted March 17 I think something people might be missing is by asking the wrong question, which should be: Why did the Grace Under Pressure Tour video only have three songs from that album? With this release we have an answer, I think. For whatever reason, they just didn't have usable footage that synced up with the audio. The solution back then was to leave out the worst so they would at least have a decent looking and sounding VHS. The 2006 album release had the same dearth of g/p material, being basically the same concert with bonus tracks at the end, which could mean they felt the audio had been just as lacking as the visuals, i.e. both contributed to the sync dilemma. Or it could be they wanted the main concert track listing to be consistent with the previous release. I'm just glad I've gotten to see and hear the 'Red Lenses' drum solo, which is hands down my favorite of all before or since. 1
XanaD.E.W. Posted March 17 Posted March 17 23 hours ago, TheGhostRider said: Red Lenses - Audio doesn't match video, think it's night one video with night two audio or vice-versa. I hope it's that so you can sync with the boot. I feel bad for the editor, bro had to sync the audio of a different performance to this!! So much little improv in the drum solo and bass solo at the end. They did there best, the right audio just isn't there. I wonder if the video was edited to a different audio than the final TB live mix. Like Quote Reply Report Concerning Red Lenses, you definitely see and hear the out of synchronization on the keyboard part. But here's a short video where it is corrected by a fan (apparently it was 10 frames off): 2
TheGhostRider Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) Posted this on the other thread, but the ending of Red Lenses does sync with the 9/21 bootleg audio. I synced it myself. Edited March 17 by TheGhostRider 2
Disco Posted March 18 Posted March 18 (edited) GhostRider, this is fabulous. Thanks for sharing this. It's detail I'd never know. The production does seem to be a bit of a shocker... Edited March 18 by Disco 2
fraroc Posted March 18 Posted March 18 18 hours ago, Ged Lent's sis said: I think something people might be missing is by asking the wrong question, which should be: Why did the Grace Under Pressure Tour video only have three songs from that album? With this release we have an answer, I think. For whatever reason, they just didn't have usable footage that synced up with the audio. The solution back then was to leave out the worst so they would at least have a decent looking and sounding VHS. The 2006 album release had the same dearth of g/p material, being basically the same concert with bonus tracks at the end, which could mean they felt the audio had been just as lacking as the visuals, i.e. both contributed to the sync dilemma. Or it could be they wanted the main concert track listing to be consistent with the previous release. I'm just glad I've gotten to see and hear the 'Red Lenses' drum solo, which is hands down my favorite of all before or since. It was also a pretty common practice in the 70s and 80s to "trim the fat" off of home release concert videos so they clock in at about an hour or maybe a little bit more. Van Halen's Live Without a Net is still missing You Really Got Me, Dreams, Good Enough, and their cover of Wild Thing to this day. We're pretty lucky that the rest of GUP live unsurfaced. 1
Timbale Posted March 18 Posted March 18 So, here's a question for the folks who understand editing better than I think I do. So there are three situations present in this release as I can see it: 1) performances from the same night as the original VHS release, reedited, 2) performances from the other night, covering songs that were on the original, and 3) songs that weren't on the original release. There is not much to be done with #3 - the footage there is is what there is. But with both #1 and #2, I'm confused. For the songs that are the same performances as on the VHS, given that the new angles/editing seems so thin on footage of Peart, why are they not flying in more footage of Neil from the original cut, seeing as it's sync pretty much perfectly. And in the second case, why are they not dropping in footage of Peart from Sept 21st even if the new performance on this edition is the 22nd? I mean, it wouldn't necessarily sync perfectly...but, given Neil's relative consistency as a player, it would sync a hell of a lot better than some of the random stuff they've dropped in. I mean, my god, there's a shot of him playing the electronic back kit during a song when he's playing the front acoustic kit. I can't remember what that song/moment is, but why go to that shot at all? And if it's in a song that they released from Sept 21st, why not just drop a shot from the pervious night there that would sync pretty well? Do these questions make sense? 2
treeduck Posted March 18 Posted March 18 On 3/14/2026 at 1:05 PM, lerxt1990 said: 1. Thanks for posting, wasn't aware 2. Cool that it has slightly different shots/editing 3. First noticed difference is we get to watch Neil and not the cast of Freaks and Geeks air drumming the beginning of SoR 4. Will watch the rest of this later. I loved that opening, and I loved ending with In The Mood. Cheers Ever got caught air-drumming naked? 2
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