1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Just posted a few hours ago on Rush's YouTube channel. 7
thizzellewashington Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I'm glad they kept the 4:3 ratio and didn't chop off the top and bottom to make it 16:9. 2
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 (edited) 30 minutes ago, thizzellewashington said: I'm glad they kept the 4:3 ratio and didn't chop off the top and bottom to make it 16:9. Agreed, and the upscaling looks pretty good. However, a handful of shots are out of sync, most noticeable when watching Alex. That is rookie editing bullshit and there's no excuse for it. Also, at 3:01 there's a quick shot taken from another performance (or maybe a different song), given away by Alex's black guitar. Edited January 23 by 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 3
Todem Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 50 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Agreed, and the upscaling looks pretty good. However, a handful of shots are out of sync, most noticeable when watching Alex. That is rookie editing bullshit and there's no excuse for it. Also, at 3:01 there's a quick shot taken from another performance (or maybe a different song), given away by Alex's black guitar. Black guitar is just the lighting going dark on him for a split second. It's the same guitar. Edited January 23 by Todem
JARG Posted January 23 Posted January 23 That was great. I wonder whose idea it was to mix those two high hat barks in the intro so high?
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Also, at 3:01 there's a quick shot taken from another performance (or maybe a different song), given away by Alex's black guitar. 12 minutes ago, Todem said: Black guitar is just the lighting going dark on him for a split second. It's the same guitar. Nope, it's the black Strat in that one shot. The lighting going darker would not make a white guitar look totally black. Plus, Alex uses a black guitar strap on the black guitar, and a white strap on the white one. 1
treeduck Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Just posted a few hours ago on Rush's YouTube channel. Does this video convince you to spend $359 dollars on this set? 1
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, treeduck said: Does this video convince you to spend $359 dollars on this set? Hell no. If the video were to be made available as a separate Blu-ray purchase for like $30 or so I'd definitely buy it. I'm not sure what's in the box set, I guess I should look before passing judgement.
TheGhostRider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Nope, it's the black Strat in that one shot. The lighting going darker would not make a white guitar look totally black. Plus, Alex uses a black guitar strap on the black guitar, and a white strap on the white one. So Anthem is definitely mixing video from different nights again like they did for ASOH but still labeling it as only being from one night.
treeduck Posted January 23 Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Hell no. If the video were to be made available as a separate Blu-ray purchase for like $30 or so I'd definitely buy it. I'm not sure what's in the box set, I guess I should look before passing judgement. A t-shirt and a pack of socks with an egg logo.
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 45 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Nope, it's the black Strat in that one shot. The lighting going darker would not make a white guitar look totally black. Plus, Alex uses a black guitar strap on the black guitar, and a white strap on the white one. 24 minutes ago, TheGhostRider said: So Anthem is definitely mixing video from different nights again like they did for ASOH but still labeling it as only being from one night. There's absolutely nothing wrong with mixing footage and/or audio from different shows -- bands often use a multiple night stand at a particular arena to shoot a concert video, just in case there's a major mistake or if they need camera coverage. Labeling the video as from a single performance is a little misleading, but I can forgive that if that extra footage makes the finished product look better. That said, this song has just that one shot with the black guitar, and it lasts for one second. Did the editor have to borrow that one shot from a different show to cover that spot? He/she couldn't just go to a shot of Neil or Geddy there, or was every camera in the arena pointed at the floor at that exact moment that night? Plus there are multiple shots where the video is noticeably out of sync with the audio. How does a professional editor let those errors stay in? Yes...I know I'm being suuuuuper nitpicky here, but I edit video for a living and I hate edits that distract the viewer (Rush In Rio was full of them). 4
Sir Lerxst Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Agreed, and the upscaling looks pretty good. However, a handful of shots are out of sync, most noticeable when watching Alex. That is rookie editing bullshit and there's no excuse for it. Also, at 3:01 there's a quick shot taken from another performance (or maybe a different song), given away by Alex's black guitar. There were a handful of out of sync shots in the R40 video too; most notable in the middle section of Jacob's Ladder when Neil is doing the china cymbal "stabs". Almost like they do a first edit then never watch it again. Would be interesting to know if this has been re-edited from the original tape rushes or if these songs were originally edited in 1984 but never released. 2
TheGhostRider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: There's absolutely nothing wrong with mixing footage and/or audio from different shows -- bands often use a multiple night stand at a particular arena to shoot a concert video, just in case there's a major mistake or if they need camera coverage. Labeling the video as from a single performance is a little misleading, but I can forgive that if that extra footage makes the finished product look better. That said, this song has just that one shot with the black guitar, and it lasts for one second. Did the editor have to borrow that one shot from a different show to cover that spot? He/she couldn't just go to a shot of Neil or Geddy there, or was every camera in the arena pointed at the floor at that exact moment that night? Plus there are multiple shots where the video is noticeably out of sync with the audio. How does a professional editor let those errors stay in? Yes...I know I'm being suuuuuper nitpicky here, but I edit video for a living and I hate edits that distract the viewer (Rush In Rio was full of them). Right I didn't mean to give off the impression that I was complaining about that. My only real complaint is that its a little bit misleading is all. I've gotten pretty good at resyncing audio and video myself, but I didn't notice any out of sync shots. But than again you do this for a living so makes sense that you would notice it immediately. Which shots in particular are out of sync? Any timestamps you can give?
TheGhostRider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sir Lerxst said: There were a handful of out of sync shots in the R40 video too; most notable in the middle section of Jacob's Ladder when Neil is doing the china cymbal "stabs". Almost like they do a first edit then never watch it again. Would be interesting to know if this has been re-edited from the original tape rushes or if these songs were originally edited in 1984 but never released. The announcement said it was "re-edited from the original tape" but I would not be surprised at all if it was actually edited back in 84 and just digitally transferred, upscaled and printed onto blurays. Edited January 23 by TheGhostRider
napoleonj Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Agreed, and the upscaling looks pretty good. However, a handful of shots are out of sync, most noticeable when watching Alex. That is rookie editing bullshit and there's no excuse for it. Also, at 3:01 there's a quick shot taken from another performance (or maybe a different song), given away by Alex's black guitar. 2 weeks ago we would have said whoever pulled together this footage to give us a full show would have been a hero... Ain't nobody ever entirely happy about anything 1
Sir Lerxst Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, TheGhostRider said: Right I didn't mean to give off the impression that I was complaining about that. My only real complaint is that its a little bit misleading is all. I've gotten pretty good at resyncing audio and video myself, but I didn't notice any out of sync shots. But than again you do this for a living so makes sense that you would notice it immediately. Which shots in particular are out of sync? Any timestamps you can give? 3:04 is the main one I noticed on the crane camera - really obvious if you watch Neil. There were a few times on the close ups of Alex that in my head it didn't look like his hands were playing the chords I could hear although the strumming was pretty close to being 'in time'; but I haven't played guitar for a few years so I could also be starting to lose that "sense" of "seeing what it should sound like". 3
treeduck Posted January 23 Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: There's absolutely nothing wrong with mixing footage and/or audio from different shows -- bands often use a multiple night stand at a particular arena to shoot a concert video, just in case there's a major mistake or if they need camera coverage. Labeling the video as from a single performance is a little misleading, but I can forgive that if that extra footage makes the finished product look better. That said, this song has just that one shot with the black guitar, and it lasts for one second. Did the editor have to borrow that one shot from a different show to cover that spot? He/she couldn't just go to a shot of Neil or Geddy there, or was every camera in the arena pointed at the floor at that exact moment that night? Plus there are multiple shots where the video is noticeably out of sync with the audio. How does a professional editor let those errors stay in? Yes...I know I'm being suuuuuper nitpicky here, but I edit video for a living and I hate edits that distract the viewer (Rush In Rio was full of them). I looked on amazon.co.uk earlier and they have the two zillion dollar sets but also list a "CD" edition for £31. I followed the link but it took me to a John Fogerty album so I don't know if it's legit. Here's the amazon link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=rush+grace+under+pressure&crid=2LZ9XA2LKKCBT&sprefix=rush+gr%2Caps%2C295&ref=nb_sb_ss_mvt-t11-ranker_1_7
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, TheGhostRider said: I've gotten pretty good at resyncing audio and video myself, but I didn't notice any out of sync shots. But than again you do this for a living so makes sense that you would notice it immediately. Which shots in particular are out of sync? Any timestamps you can give? 0:35 - wide shot from behind -- watch Neil's drum hits. Then right into.. 0:40 - Alex's strums are way off 2:03 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 2:50 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 3:01 - (the black guitar shot, looks in sync) 3:06 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 3:58 - Alex's neck hand positions are off 4:01 - Alex's neck hand positions are off (a super quick shot, though) Maybe only video editors and/or musicians will notice most of these (I'm guilty of being both), but a lot of Rush fans are musicians, so there we go. I'm of the opinion that music and concert videos should be cut by editors who are also musicians, so I'm a bit biased. 1
TheGhostRider Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Rewatching it rn and it definitely looks out of sync for these shots. Looks like they could use a new editor lol
Timbale Posted January 23 Posted January 23 If I remember correctly, the whole Overture on the Show Of Hands video has Alex with a white guitar half the time (maybe the long shots?) and a black guitar in the close ups. I've always been intrigued by the fact that there is the moment right between Overture and Temples in that performance where Alex is very late coming in (Geddy gives him a look)...and then Alex has switched to a white guitar....
Timbale Posted January 23 Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: 0:35 - wide shot from behind -- watch Neil's drum hits. Then right into.. 0:40 - Alex's strums are way off 2:03 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 2:50 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 3:01 - (the black guitar shot, looks in sync) 3:06 - Alex's strums and neck hand positions are off 3:58 - Alex's neck hand positions are off 4:01 - Alex's neck hand positions are off (a super quick shot, though) Maybe only video editors and/or musicians will notice most of these (I'm guilty of being both), but a lot of Rush fans are musicians, so there we go. I'm of the opinion that music and concert videos should be cut by editors who are also musicians, so I'm a bit biased. Could it be that only so much footage survived, and they're just making the best of what was found? 1
Todem Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: Nope, it's the black Strat in that one shot. The lighting going darker would not make a white guitar look totally black. Plus, Alex uses a black guitar strap on the black guitar, and a white strap on the white one. Good catch your right....I checked it again.
grep Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Small point... those aren't strats. Or at least the white one isn't. That's the Hentor. I don't remember if he had a black Hentor. Edited January 23 by grep
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