Live In England: The Lost album

[TheGhostRider]

Was re-reading this old interview with Alex where its mentioned that several Hemispheres shows were filmed and recorded to multitrack for the scrapped "Live In England" album. 

 

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WITH PERMANENT WAVES NOW OUT OF the starting block, Rush is preparing for another assault on the Hemispheres which will be kicked off with a Western Canadian tour in March and April. Anthem stablemates, Wireless will serve as the opening act promoting their new album, No Static.

"Out sets will be a lot slicker this time around," forecasted Lifeson in commenting on the upcoming tour. "On our last tour we were doing 30 minutes of Cygnus X-1 and Hemispheres which was quite an endurance test for the audience. This time our sets will be a little shorter and a lot cleaner.

Rush plans to then take their Permanent Waves tour throughout North American and Europe. Sandwiched in between their touring itineraries will be work on a 'Live In England' album which will be mixed at Morin Heights and released this summer.

Recorded during a string of dates at London's famed Hammersmith Odeon last summer, the concerts were also filmed for a possible feature movie. A project that Lifeson has mixed feelings about.

"We'd like to do a movie but I wouldn't want it to be like the Neil Young or Rolling Stone films that were almost all concert footage. Those things bore me to tears," noted Lifeson. "You've got to be careful how you handle those things. I saw the Gino Vannelli television special and I couldn't believe how bad it was, they had this one bit where they filmed him intently watching his television set. I thought, "Give me a break, this is awful."

 

I really hope that by some miracle this footage still exists in the bands archives somewhere. 

 

Check out the full interview here: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/music-express-02.1980.php

[chemistry1973]

I have wanted to see what the Cygnus X-1 film looked like, for DECADES.

[JARG]

54 minutes ago, chemistry1973 said:

I have wanted to see what the Cygnus X-1 film looked like, for DECADES.

If memory serves (and we're talking about me pulling up memories from 46 years ago), I seem to recall an image of sailing ship set amongst the stars for part of it.

[Lurkst]

I believe the videos for The Trees, Circumstances and La Villa were cropped from the footage filmed at Hammersmith Odeon...

 

 

[taurus]

Baffling how this material wouldn't make it's way on to the Hemispheres Anniversary box set. 

[PurpleHayes]

9 minutes ago, taurus said:

Baffling how this material wouldn't make it's way on to the Hemispheres Anniversary box set. 

 

I'm not surprised. After all, those record company mandarins weren't aware that Broon had a remix of Signals hiding in his liquor cabinet for 40+ years. Assuming they even know who Broon is. It's also possible they WERE aware of it...and didn't want to pay for it.

[TheGhostRider]

44 minutes ago, taurus said:

Baffling how this material wouldn't make it's way on to the Hemispheres Anniversary box set. 

According to a different transcribed version of this article, the webmaster claimed that no trace of the footage could be found when they did Hemispheres 40th. There's zero source for this claim though, so I don't really believe it. 

[grep]

21 hours ago, JARG said:

If memory serves (and we're talking about me pulling up memories from 46 years ago), I seem to recall an image of sailing ship set amongst the stars for part of it.

Gene Wolfe has entered the chat. 

[Ron2112]

54 minutes ago, PurpleHayes said:

 

I'm not surprised. After all, those record company mandarins weren't aware that Broon had a remix of Signals hiding in his liquor cabinet for 40+ years. Assuming they even know who Broon is. It's also possible they WERE aware of it...and didn't want to pay for it.

 

Why would you assume that anyone other than Terry Brown knows what he has in his liquor cabinet?

[PurpleHayes]

2 hours ago, TheGhostRider said:

According to a different transcribed version of this article, the webmaster claimed that no trace of the footage could be found when they did Hemispheres 40th. There's zero source for this claim though, so I don't really believe it. 

 

"no trace of the footage could be found" is corporate-ese for "we didn't want to pay more than what you'd pay for a used hubcap for the footage."

[PurpleHayes]

2 hours ago, Ron2112 said:

 

Why would you assume that anyone other than Terry Brown knows what he has in his liquor cabinet?

 

It's not that they didn't know exactly where it was...it's that they had no clue that he even had a remix in the first place, because they never asked him. The liquor cabinet location, however, is just my own addition and an indication of where my mind has been lately...

[Ron2112]

18 hours ago, PurpleHayes said:

 

It's not that they didn't know exactly where it was...it's that they had no clue that he even had a remix in the first place, because they never asked him. The liquor cabinet location, however, is just my own addition and an indication of where my mind has been lately...

OK.  So why should the record company assume that TB had a "secret mix" hidden away.....?

[PurpleHayes]

1 hour ago, Ron2112 said:

OK.  So why should the record company assume that TB had a "secret mix" hidden away.....?

 

This is really just wishful thinking, but one would think that a record company would care enough to canvas folks who had been involved with a band at a period of time in their past when planning for a release of an anniversary album. IMHO they should have at the very least reached out to Broon due to his extensive past with the band...instead, we get a lame Signals release and it transpires afterward that there WAS footage available online that COULD have been used....and that there were bootlegs available that (while maybe not A+ quality), COULD have been cleaned up a bit and added to the Signals release to make it more palatable.

 

It's possible Broon tried to storm the record company offices waving a flag saying "HEY I'VE GOT REMIXES, UNRELEASED MATERIAL ETC" and was blown off...we'll never know.

 

Again, it's all wishful thinking on my part...but I do know other bands are better at putting out anniversary releases than Rush is.

 

This only bugs me because the lame Signals 40th anniversary release felt like a slap in the face.

Edited November 5 by PurpleHayes

[ytserush]

On 11/3/2025 at 1:30 PM, TheGhostRider said:

Was re-reading this old interview with Alex where its mentioned that several Hemispheres shows were filmed and recorded to multitrack for the scrapped "Live In England" album. 

 

"

WITH PERMANENT WAVES NOW OUT OF the starting block, Rush is preparing for another assault on the Hemispheres which will be kicked off with a Western Canadian tour in March and April. Anthem stablemates, Wireless will serve as the opening act promoting their new album, No Static.

"Out sets will be a lot slicker this time around," forecasted Lifeson in commenting on the upcoming tour. "On our last tour we were doing 30 minutes of Cygnus X-1 and Hemispheres which was quite an endurance test for the audience. This time our sets will be a little shorter and a lot cleaner.

Rush plans to then take their Permanent Waves tour throughout North American and Europe. Sandwiched in between their touring itineraries will be work on a 'Live In England' album which will be mixed at Morin Heights and released this summer.

Recorded during a string of dates at London's famed Hammersmith Odeon last summer, the concerts were also filmed for a possible feature movie. A project that Lifeson has mixed feelings about.

"We'd like to do a movie but I wouldn't want it to be like the Neil Young or Rolling Stone films that were almost all concert footage. Those things bore me to tears," noted Lifeson. "You've got to be careful how you handle those things. I saw the Gino Vannelli television special and I couldn't believe how bad it was, they had this one bit where they filmed him intently watching his television set. I thought, "Give me a break, this is awful."

 

I really hope that by some miracle this footage still exists in the bands archives somewhere. 

 

Check out the full interview here: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/music-express-02.1980.php

 

 

Wasn't this the live album they were supposed to have released but scrapped when they decided to record Moving Pictures instead?

[ytserush]

On 11/5/2025 at 12:26 PM, PurpleHayes said:

 

This is really just wishful thinking, but one would think that a record company would care enough to canvas folks who had been involved with a band at a period of time in their past when planning for a release of an anniversary album. IMHO they should have at the very least reached out to Broon due to his extensive past with the band...instead, we get a lame Signals release and it transpires afterward that there WAS footage available online that COULD have been used....and that there were bootlegs available that (while maybe not A+ quality), COULD have been cleaned up a bit and added to the Signals release to make it more palatable.

 

It's possible Broon tried to storm the record company offices waving a flag saying "HEY I'VE GOT REMIXES, UNRELEASED MATERIAL ETC" and was blown off...we'll never know.

 

Again, it's all wishful thinking on my part...but I do know other bands are better at putting out anniversary releases than Rush is.

 

This only bugs me because the lame Signals 40th anniversary release felt like a slap in the face.

 

Most people who really care about music and have institutional knowledge are no longer in the music industry I would guess.

[Lurkst]

23 hours ago, ytserush said:

Wasn't this the live album they were supposed to have released but scrapped when they decided to record Moving Pictures instead?

 

I don't think so, recordings for that ended up on side 2 of Exit Stage Left. That's not to say they wouldn't have used part of the Hemispheres tour recordings on it.

 

It's a tough call, imagine a double live compilation from the AFTK, Hemispheres and PW tours, but then Moving Pictures might not have happened 

 

[taurus]

I liked the 4 studio then double live pattern they had from 1974 thru 1998, so I'm OK with the Hemispheres live album thing didn't happen at the time but to not release a complete Hemispheres show included in the Hemispheres 40th set is vexing. While the MP may have been the apex for Rush tours that Hemispheres setlist was a behemoth never to be repeated. Epics galore. Rush at their proggiest. They bludgeoned the audience, no one would have walked away from that show complaining "Oh they didn't play....". A Rush tour for the ages. Thank the Christ for tape trading and torrenting

[Todem]

1 minute ago, taurus said:

I liked the 4 studio then double live pattern they had from 1974 thru 1998, so I'm OK with the Hemispheres live album thing didn't happen at the time but to not release a complete Hemispheres show included in the Hemispheres 40th set is vexing. While the MP may have been the apex for Rush tours that Hemispheres setlist was a behemoth never to be repeated. Epics galore. Rush at their proggiest. They bludgeoned the audience, no one would have walked away from that show complaining "Oh they didn't play....". A Rush tour for the ages. Thank the Christ for tape trading and torrenting

I treasure my Black Forest Soundboard. 

[TheGhostRider]

On 11/3/2025 at 3:23 PM, JARG said:

If memory serves (and we're talking about me pulling up memories from 46 years ago), I seem to recall an image of sailing ship set amongst the stars for part of it.

And the coolest comment in the whole thread goes to you lol. That's amazing that you got to see that tour, and still remember some of the show. 

[TheGhostRider]

22 minutes ago, Todem said:

I treasure my Black Forest Soundboard. 

Ironic that Geddy hated that soundboard, since its one of the best recordings of the whole tour, besides the Detroit show. 

[JARG]

14 minutes ago, TheGhostRider said:

And the coolest comment in the whole thread goes to you lol. That's amazing that you got to see that tour, and still remember some of the show. 

I wish I'd been older. I saw the Hemispheres tour a week after my 14th birthday. It was my second concert (the first was Foghat, the previous year). I was still at an age where concerts were magical events and I didn't have the foresight to view them more analytically (the way I do now). I think if I'd been of the mindset that "some day you're going to want to remember this in as much detail as possible), I would've approached the whole thing differently. Ah well, hindsight is always 20/20.

Edited November 10 by JARG

[Todem]

1 hour ago, TheGhostRider said:

Ironic that Geddy hated that soundboard, since its one of the best recordings of the whole tour, besides the Detroit show. 

Have that Detroit show as well and I like Black Forest a tad better.

[TheGhostRider]

4 hours ago, JARG said:

I wish I'd been older. I saw the Hemispheres tour a week after my 14th birthday. It was my second concert (the first was Foghat, the previous year). I was still at an age where concerts were magical events and I didn't have the foresight to view them more analytically (the way I do now). I think if I'd been of the mindset that "some day you're going to want to remember this in as much detail as possible), I would've approached the whole thing differently. Ah well, hindsight is always 20/20.

I completely understand that. I had a very similar experience the first two times I saw Rush. I was really young both times (9 and 13) and looking back I appreciate those two shows so much more now than I did then. back then I liked their music and I was excited to go, but I didn't realize how good the set lists and shows were until much later. 11 years and 40+ concerts later they are still the best concerts I've ever seen.  I just feel very grateful to have another opportunity now as an adult to see them a few more times. 

Edited November 11 by TheGhostRider

[TheGhostRider]

On 11/3/2025 at 3:35 PM, Lurkst said:

I believe the videos for The Trees, Circumstances and La Villa were cropped from the footage filmed at Hammersmith Odeon...

 

 

If I remember correctly Anthem filmed these videos at Seneca College in Toronto.  But all of the performances are live not dubbed, so it gives us a good idea of what the England footage was probably like. 

[Lurkst]

58 minutes ago, TheGhostRider said:

If I remember correctly Anthem filmed these videos at Seneca College in Toronto.  But all of the performances are live not dubbed, so it gives us a good idea of what the England footage was probably like. 

 

The dubbed Seneca College footage was for Farewell To Kings. The Hemispheres videos are definitely live and (I'm ready to be corrected) were shot at Hammersmith Odeon without an audience.