Tiktok Ban

[HemiBeers]

So looks like the Tiktok ban will go through. Let's kick the hornet's nest and see what people think. 

 

I think it's funny that a government is telling the Gen Y and Zers that their stupid dance videos and gratuitous self-promotion aren't necessary. Now go get an actual life skill and become the next assistant manager at Burger King. I'm sure that someone telling you that your product is crap and unnecessary might damage your fragile participation trophy state of mind. Suck it up buttercup, you'll get over it.

 

Waiting for the cries of CENSORSHIP! and GOVERNMENT CONTROL! ala 2112. Um no. You can still promote your crappy useless videos via other mediums so the world can watch your poodle dance.

 

I'm in that kind of mood today.

[Nova Carmina]

I'm an old guy, so I asked my kids (20-25): "Will you miss Tik Tok?"  "No, not really," they said.  I asked my students (17-20): "Will you miss Tik Tok?" "No, not really," they said. 

 

"There are other options," they all said.

 

End of story.

 

(I think it's hilariously sad, though, how little Americans care about how much of our activity is tracked -- by governments and by corporations.)

[Rick N. Backer]

2 hours ago, Nova Carmina said:

(I think it's hilariously sad, though, how little Americans care about how much of our activity is tracked -- by governments and by corporations.)

Exactly.  Or, in the case of Tik Tok, a (malevolent) government hiding behind a corporation.

[zepphead]

errr .... what's Tik Tok?

[BastillePark]

Is banning social media outlets mentioned in the Constitution? 

[Rhyta]

I have never used Tik Tok but know of others who use it for their business.  I would assume they could use other social media for the same thing but I am not clear on why the same scrutiny is not being directed towards Meta, YouTube and Twitter.  The foreign government involvement is worrisome but I haven't seen much information to back that up.  Seems like a knee jerk reaction IMHO but I don't have a dog in this fight.
 

[invisible airwave]

But Xwitter and it's white supremacist propaganda gets a free pass from them.  Do as I say, not as I do.

Edited April 24 by invisible airwave

[BastillePark]

1 hour ago, Rhyta said:

I have never used Tik Tok but know of others who use it for their business.  I would assume they could use other social media for the same thing but I am not clear on why the same scrutiny is not being directed towards Meta, YouTube and Twitter.  The foreign government involvement is worrisome but I haven't seen much information to back that up.  Seems like a knee jerk reaction IMHO but I don't have a dog in this fight.
 

Because there isn't any. 

[Principled Man]

Wiress:  Tik Tok....Tik Tok.....Tik Tok....

 

Katniss:  It's a clock!  

 

 

 

 

[goose]

8 hours ago, zepphead said:

errr .... what's Tik Tok?

Exactly

[goose]

7 hours ago, BastillePark said:

Is banning social media outlets mentioned in the Constitution? 

Cruel and unusual punishment

[Principled Man]

7 hours ago, BastillePark said:

Is banning social media outlets mentioned in the Constitution? 

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of social media, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of text, or of memes; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and stare at their phones, and to petition the Government for a redress of revenge porn.

[Rick N. Backer]

19 hours ago, Rhyta said:

I have never used Tik Tok but know of others who use it for their business.  I would assume they could use other social media for the same thing but I am not clear on why the same scrutiny is not being directed towards Meta, YouTube and Twitter.  The foreign government involvement is worrisome but I haven't seen much information to back that up.  Seems like a knee jerk reaction IMHO but I don't have a dog in this fight.
 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html

 

China is an authoritarian government.  Useful idiots may tell you that a Chinese company is not necessarily beholden to the CCP.  You're smart.  Is that consistent with how you've seen those type of governments act?

 

Tik Tok can continue on in the U.S. as long as it likes.  It just can't be run by a company that is a front for the CCP.

[BastillePark]

1 hour ago, Rick N. Backer said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html

 

China is an authoritarian government.  Useful idiots may tell you that a Chinese company is not necessarily beholden to the CCP.  You're smart.  Is that consistent with how you've seen those type of governments act?

 

Tik Tok can continue on in the U.S. as long as it likes.  It just can't be run by a company that is a front for the CCP.

From the link you posted (CNN, really?)

 

The evidence, such as it is, remains rather thin. It is a sworn statement by Yu, who is suing ByteDance in a wrongful termination case in California state court. The declaration does not provide documentation, internal messages or other primary source materials to substantiate the claim.

 

I don't see any reason why the terminated employee would fabricate a story, do you? Would their story hold up in court with literally no evidence other than their word?

[Entre_Perpetuo]

The reasoning for the ban all sounds complicated to me and probably holds a lot more bias than can easily be parsed into right and wrong. What I can say though is Tik Tok has had a very strange effect on popular music the last five years or so, and while it hasn’t all been bad, there are definite negatives I wouldn’t be sad to see go.  Not to mention I have a lot of skepticism towards the staying power of any art that goes viral on such a fickle and fast paced platform.  Friends have told me Tik Tok is the future of music promo, I don’t think so. I think it’s a weird part of the present, and may quickly become part of the past.

[Mithrandir]

4 hours ago, Rick N. Backer said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html

 

China is an authoritarian government.  Useful idiots may tell you that a Chinese company is not necessarily beholden to the CCP.  You're smart.  Is that consistent with how you've seen those type of governments act?

 

Tik Tok can continue on in the U.S. as long as it likes.  It just can't be run by a company that is a front for the CCP.

Lol.   Come on man.  Chinese government really scares you doesn't it.  Stop being baited by the US media.

[Mithrandir]

Do i enjoy tik tok?  Sure

 

Can i live without it? Definitely

 

Is this something I want the government banning?  f**k NO!

[Turbine Freight]

Here's how it goes:

 

 

 "Tell you what, we'll let a foreign power harvest data on every citizen in this country!"

 

"Hang on, won't the serfs clamour for such an outlet to banned?"

 

"Exactly! Then we can completely control the internet!"

 

You've got to hand it to them, the statists are miles ahead of the scum.

 

 

[Rick N. Backer]

On 4/25/2024 at 12:27 PM, BastillePark said:

From the link you posted (CNN, really?)

 

The evidence, such as it is, remains rather thin. It is a sworn statement by Yu, who is suing ByteDance in a wrongful termination case in California state court. The declaration does not provide documentation, internal messages or other primary source materials to substantiate the claim.

 

I don't see any reason why the terminated employee would fabricate a story, do you? Would their story hold up in court with literally no evidence other than their word?

"The evidence," in this context refers to, "the Chinese Communist Party accessed the data of TikTok users on a broad scale, and for political purposes."  And yes, a case can be proven on the word of 1 witness provided the jury believes that person is telling the truth.

 

China’s 2017 National Intelligence Law states that “any organization” must assist or cooperate with state intelligence work while a separate 2014 Counter-Espionage Law says “relevant organizations ... may not refuse” to collect evidence for an investigation.

Since ByteDance, which owns TikTok, is a Chinese company, it would likely have to abide by these rules if Chinese authorities asked it to turn over data.

Laws and regulations are only one aspect of the Communist Party’s pervasive control. There are no legal limits on the party’s powers. The authorities also can threaten to cancel licenses, conduct regulatory or tax investigations and use other penalties to compel compliance by Chinese and foreign companies operating in China.

The party sometimes conveys orders using “window guidance,” or informal communication in private. It has used crackdowns to tighten control over technology companies and force them to align with its goals.
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The Chinese government has also sought more direct control over companies by getting seats on boards of directors.

 

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-bytedance-shou-zi-chew-8d8a6a9694357040d484670b7f4833be

 

There's a reason why the Chinese version of TikTok has dramatically different content than ours.  

[custom55]

I'm on TikTok but occasionally.    I view snowboarding, music and dog videos so the algorithm feeds me related users and their content.   There is a lot of political BS that I steer clear of.

 

I could easily live without it.

 

[Mr. Not]

I'm all for it

[Mr. Not]

On 4/24/2024 at 2:07 PM, invisible airwave said:

But Xwitter and it's white supremacist propaganda gets a free pass from them.  Do as I say, not as I do.

Elon's biased because he's from South Africa. but don't worry i'm sure it will all work out for the best regardless.