Broadsword and the Beast vs RUSH

[treeduck]

With the latest deluxe edition TULL package doing amazing things for The Broadsword and the Beast, I thought I'd celebrate the moment by putting it up against FOUR appropriate RUSH albums. Who wins and where?

[Nova Carmina]

Now I love Tull, and I love Broadsword, but this is basically not fair. It was Rush taking 3 out of four at a canter.

[laughedatbytime]

I have nothing to say about the poll but Nova's post led me to find the wiki article on Georg Cantor.  Math was more interesting back in the day.  From the article:  

 

Originally, Cantor's theory of transfinite numbers was regarded as counter-intuitive – even shocking. This caused it to encounter resistance from mathematical contemporaries such as Leopold Kronecker and Henri Poincaré[3] and later from Hermann Weyl and L. E. J. Brouwer, while Ludwig Wittgenstein raised philosophical objections; see Controversy over Cantor's theory. Cantor, a devout Lutheran Christian,[4] believed the theory had been communicated to him by God.[5] Some Christian theologians (particularly neo-Scholastics) saw Cantor's work as a challenge to the uniqueness of the absolute infinity in the nature of God[6] – on one occasion equating the theory of transfinite numbers with pantheism[7] – a proposition that Cantor vigorously rejected. Not all theologians were against Cantor's theory; prominent neo-scholastic philosopher Constantin Gutberlet was in favor of it and Cardinal Johann Baptist Franzelin accepted it as a valid theory (after Cantor made some important clarifications).[8]

 

The objections to Cantor's work were occasionally fierce: Leopold Kronecker's public opposition and personal attacks included describing Cantor as a "scientific charlatan", a "renegade" and a "corrupter of youth".[9] Kronecker objected to Cantor's proofs that the algebraic numbers are countable, and that the transcendental numbers are uncountable, results now included in a standard mathematics curriculum. Writing decades after Cantor's death, Wittgenstein lamented that mathematics is "ridden through and through with the pernicious idioms of set theory", which he dismissed as "utter nonsense" that is "laughable" and "wrong".[10] Cantor's recurring bouts of depression from 1884 to the end of his life have been blamed on the hostile attitude of many of his contemporaries,[11] though some have explained these episodes as probable manifestations of a bipolar disorder.[12]

 

The harsh criticism has been matched by later accolades. In 1904, the Royal Society awarded Cantor its Sylvester Medal, the highest honor it can confer for work in mathematics.[13] David Hilbert defended it from its critics by declaring, "No one shall expel us from the paradise that Cantor has created."[14][15]

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14 minutes ago, laughedatbytime said:

I have nothing to say about the poll but Nova's post led me to find the wiki article on Georg Cantor.  Math was more interesting back in the day.  From the article:  

 

Originally, Cantor's theory of transfinite numbers was regarded as counter-intuitive – even shocking. This caused it to encounter resistance from mathematical contemporaries such as Leopold Kronecker and Henri Poincaré[3] and later from Hermann Weyl and L. E. J. Brouwer, while Ludwig Wittgenstein raised philosophical objections; see Controversy over Cantor's theory. Cantor, a devout Lutheran Christian,[4] believed the theory had been communicated to him by God.[5] Some Christian theologians (particularly neo-Scholastics) saw Cantor's work as a challenge to the uniqueness of the absolute infinity in the nature of God[6] – on one occasion equating the theory of transfinite numbers with pantheism[7] – a proposition that Cantor vigorously rejected. Not all theologians were against Cantor's theory; prominent neo-scholastic philosopher Constantin Gutberlet was in favor of it and Cardinal Johann Baptist Franzelin accepted it as a valid theory (after Cantor made some important clarifications).[8]

 

The objections to Cantor's work were occasionally fierce: Leopold Kronecker's public opposition and personal attacks included describing Cantor as a "scientific charlatan", a "renegade" and a "corrupter of youth".[9] Kronecker objected to Cantor's proofs that the algebraic numbers are countable, and that the transcendental numbers are uncountable, results now included in a standard mathematics curriculum. Writing decades after Cantor's death, Wittgenstein lamented that mathematics is "ridden through and through with the pernicious idioms of set theory", which he dismissed as "utter nonsense" that is "laughable" and "wrong".[10] Cantor's recurring bouts of depression from 1884 to the end of his life have been blamed on the hostile attitude of many of his contemporaries,[11] though some have explained these episodes as probable manifestations of a bipolar disorder.[12]

 

The harsh criticism has been matched by later accolades. In 1904, the Royal Society awarded Cantor its Sylvester Medal, the highest honor it can confer for work in mathematics.[13] David Hilbert defended it from its critics by declaring, "No one shall expel us from the paradise that Cantor has created."[14][15]

Cantor of Steel?

[zepphead]

Much as I love Broadsword, I love all these Rush albums better.

Now, if you had chosen some post Signals albums, that would be a different matter!!

[custom55]

Rush for the win.

 

Heavy Horses was the last Tull album I bought

[Mosher]

I love Tull, but for me Broadsword is one of the weaker albums. It's half excellent, but I prefer every preceding Tull album from Stand Up through Storm Watch (except A)

It's light years better than Under Wraps, though, and it's a very good album. 

It would have beaten a few Rush albums, but not the ones offered here. 

Edited September 3 by Mosher
Forgot about A

[treeduck]

On 9/3/2023 at 11:37 AM, custom55 said:

Rush for the win.

 

Heavy Horses was the last Tull album I bought

Are you looking forward to the new Stones album Hackney Diamonds?

 

There's no Charlie Watts on it of course but there's Andrew Watt who's co-written a few songs:

 

"Angry" (with Watt)
"Bite My Head Off"
"Depending On You" (with Watt)
"Dreamy Skies"
"Driving Me Too Hard"
"Get Close" (with Watt)
"Live by the Sword"
"Mess It Up"
"Morning Joe Cues"
"Sweet Sounds of Heaven"
"Tell Me Straight"
"Whole Wide World"

 

 

[Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios]

On 9/3/2023 at 12:55 AM, Nova Carmina said:

Now I love Tull, and I love Broadsword, but this is basically not fair. It was Rush taking 3 out of four at a canter.

Ditto 

( only Rush album that doesn’t Win is CoS)

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12 minutes ago, Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios said:

Ditto 

( only Rush album that doesn’t Win is CoS)

So you don't like it?

[Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios]

1 hour ago, treeduck said:

So you don't like it?

I like CoS but not as much as ‘s other 70s albums ( except the non Neil Debut ) … 🤔 seems that judging by this poll, CoS is not in too many  fan’s top 5 albums. 

[treeduck]

11 minutes ago, Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios said:

I like CoS but not as much as ‘s other 70s albums ( except the non Neil Debut ) … 🤔 seems that judging by this poll, CoS is not in too many  fan’s top 5 albums. 

Yeah but it has amazing tracks like The Necromancer and The Fountain of Lamneth and Bastille Day and Lakeside Park and the incredible I Think I'm Going Bald!

[Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios]

This is true ! 😎

I jam along 🎸to Bastille Day & ITIGB every week. 
70s  best era for Lerxst Riffs

80s  best for Lerxst solos

[goose]

On 9/2/2023 at 5:47 PM, laughedatbytime said:

I have nothing to say about the poll but Nova's post led me to find the wiki article on Georg Cantor.  Math was more interesting back in the day.  From the article:  

 

Originally, Cantor's theory of transfinite numbers was regarded as counter-intuitive – even shocking. This caused it to encounter resistance from mathematical contemporaries such as Leopold Kronecker and Henri Poincaré[3] and later from Hermann Weyl and L. E. J. Brouwer, while Ludwig Wittgenstein raised philosophical objections; see Controversy over Cantor's theory. Cantor, a devout Lutheran Christian,[4] believed the theory had been communicated to him by God.[5] Some Christian theologians (particularly neo-Scholastics) saw Cantor's work as a challenge to the uniqueness of the absolute infinity in the nature of God[6] – on one occasion equating the theory of transfinite numbers with pantheism[7] – a proposition that Cantor vigorously rejected. Not all theologians were against Cantor's theory; prominent neo-scholastic philosopher Constantin Gutberlet was in favor of it and Cardinal Johann Baptist Franzelin accepted it as a valid theory (after Cantor made some important clarifications).[8]

 

The objections to Cantor's work were occasionally fierce: Leopold Kronecker's public opposition and personal attacks included describing Cantor as a "scientific charlatan", a "renegade" and a "corrupter of youth".[9] Kronecker objected to Cantor's proofs that the algebraic numbers are countable, and that the transcendental numbers are uncountable, results now included in a standard mathematics curriculum. Writing decades after Cantor's death, Wittgenstein lamented that mathematics is "ridden through and through with the pernicious idioms of set theory", which he dismissed as "utter nonsense" that is "laughable" and "wrong".[10] Cantor's recurring bouts of depression from 1884 to the end of his life have been blamed on the hostile attitude of many of his contemporaries,[11] though some have explained these episodes as probable manifestations of a bipolar disorder.[12]

 

The harsh criticism has been matched by later accolades. In 1904, the Royal Society awarded Cantor its Sylvester Medal, the highest honor it can confer for work in mathematics.[13] David Hilbert defended it from its critics by declaring, "No one shall expel us from the paradise that Cantor has created."[14][15]

Funny you posted this, as I was just watching some YouTube stuff on Cantor's ideas.