Holdyourfireal Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 On 4/20/2024 at 3:54 PM, Digital82 said: disappointed at *what*?!!? be patient everyone Do you still claim it's happening? I can't see how it isn't bumped for some 50th Anniversary thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I doubt we’ll hear anything for another 3 months at this point. If it’s coming it’ll be a fall release so an announcement would come the beginning of September I would think. Who knows. The last three box sets were spring releases but the first three weren’t even announced until early fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Their timing sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital82 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 21 hours ago, Holdyourfireal said: Do you still claim it's happening? I can't see how it isn't bumped for some 50th Anniversary thing. Yes, I do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starscreamsrevenge Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 6/6/2024 at 12:46 AM, Holdyourfireal said: Do you still claim it's happening? I can't see how it isn't bumped for some 50th Anniversary thing. 12 hours ago, Digital82 said: Yes, I do. This is reassuring to know :) As Snowdog says, I don't think the management help themselves by not having these boxsets released in the same season of the year whenever they're released (all released in the Spring, or Autmn etc). Obviously COVID didn't help with the Moving Pictures set, but I'm surprised they haven't got into a sort of release pattern for these if they're going to keep doing them. HOPEFULLY that'll be immaterial when the set is released!!! :) :) :) Fingers crossed now for a full Tour show! I'm happy with a gig from anywhere, it doesn't have to be Toronto...but it would be nice :) Any live stuff would be better than the Signals set (but let's not open that can of worms again ha ha!!! :) :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdyourfireal Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 22 hours ago, Digital82 said: Yes, I do. Do you see a 50th Anniversary thing ALSO being released? This is what scares me. If they are waiting for the Christmas quarter, I can't imagine them releasing two sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starscreamsrevenge Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I think I may have cracked it.... :) I've been concerned too about the clash of a GUP set and an R50 set both potentially coming out this year. However Although the album boxsets are labelled as "40th Anniversary" sets, both the Moving Pictures and Signals sets were actually released on...the 41st anniversary! Moving Pictures 40th - Released on April 15th 2022 Signals 40th - Released on April 28th 2023 So...it seems we might be waiting even LONGER for the GUP set unfortunately!!! :( April 2025 it is then??? I suppose they can release an R50 set in time for Christmas, which will be cool. Slightly off topic, would that R50 set include the 2015 remasters on CD of Rush, Fly By Night & Caress Of Steel being as these wearn't released as 40th boxsets at the time do we think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 We’re all just guessing so I’m not saying you’re wrong, but PW and MP were delayed because of covid I thought, I assumed that once we had 1983 with no album that gap would allow them to get back on schedule. But who knows. And I hope I’m wrong because as a collector I want all the unreleased Rush product I can get, but I really doubt the 50th stuff will be unreleased audio or video, I mostly expect a bunch of 50th T shirts and posters and assorted items at the Rush store and that’s about it. I don’t think that would conflict with a GUP box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I doubt anything happens. The moment for such things, especially post-Moving Pictures, is gone. I'll be very, very surprised if there are any more. We'll have to make do with the memories, folks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 35 minutes ago, Nova Carmina said: I doubt anything happens. The moment for such things, especially post-Moving Pictures, is gone. I'll be very, very surprised if there are any more. We'll have to make do with the memories, folks! I’d be curious how many even the best selling box sold (I’m assuming that would be MP). Because there’s always going to be some base level hardcore fans that will buy them and that might be all they need going forward. Using simple made up numbers to make my point, let’s say they need to sell 5000 of these to be worth it to them. Even if MP has a million serious fans who might consider it and albums like HYF and Presto only have a twentieth of that then that’s still enough. They're not intended as a mass product anyway. Above a certain small number it’s all moot anyway. A few years ago I bought the giant Judas Priest boxset with like 40 CDs and it was about $600. Some fans complained that it was too expensive but heck, they only even made 3000 of them. The overwhelming majority of fans were not getting one no matter what. The Triumph Allied Forces 40th box was about $100 and they only made 1000 of them. So my point is that when you’re talking about such tiny numbers there’s always going to be at least a few thousand Rush fans to buy those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 26 minutes ago, snowdog2112 said: I’d be curious how many even the best selling box sold (I’m assuming that would be MP). Because there’s always going to be some base level hardcore fans that will buy them and that might be all they need going forward. Using simple made up numbers to make my point, let’s say they need to sell 5000 of these to be worth it to them. Even if MP has a million serious fans who might consider it and albums like HYF and Presto only have a twentieth of that then that’s still enough. They're not intended as a mass product anyway. Above a certain small number it’s all moot anyway. A few years ago I bought the giant Judas Priest boxset with like 40 CDs and it was about $600. Some fans complained that it was too expensive but heck, they only even made 3000 of them. The overwhelming majority of fans were not getting one no matter what. The Triumph Allied Forces 40th box was about $100 and they only made 1000 of them. So my point is that when you’re talking about such tiny numbers there’s always going to be at least a few thousand Rush fans to buy those. I can agree with all of that, but I don't think it's a question of scale, but desire. I just can't see how any one is really that interested in doing all the work required. I know there are Rush-heads everywhere, but are they in position to pull all the levers at the label? Are Geddy and Alex pushing this thing? I doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I agree, that’s a concern of mine too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malm_51 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) A little off topic! If we're not getting what we want, put a hold on all purchases!!! never mind the tee shirts, posters, ash trays, coffee mugs, shot glasses, hoodies, bottle openers, scarfs, it's the unreleased material we want! Mostly live shows at that!!! Send a message!!! Edited June 8 by malm_51 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 On 6/3/2024 at 1:02 PM, snowdog2112 said: Yeah, I’ve never interacted with him to my knowledge and have nothing personal against him but that’s why I chose a random selection of quotes by others. He was someone that was a frequent topic of conversation 20-30 years ago on all the Rush forums and virtually all of it was negative, usually extremely so. Many many different people would say that not only was he usually obnoxious but that he routinely knowingly absolutely invented things out of thin air, including interviews, including the specific examples from the quotes above. That doesn’t mean that 100% of his articles were wrong because often they were just announcing what other outlets published anyway. But his “in the know” stuff was almost always accused of being fabricated. Again, that’s not my claim, that was the consistent claim of many others year after year. That's kind of where I've always sat with this. If I'm not mistaken The Lamoureuxs involvement ended with the Snakes and Arrows live DVD. (Only other credits are R30 and ReplayX3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, snowdog2112 said: I’d be curious how many even the best selling box sold (I’m assuming that would be MP). Because there’s always going to be some base level hardcore fans that will buy them and that might be all they need going forward. Using simple made up numbers to make my point, let’s say they need to sell 5000 of these to be worth it to them. Even if MP has a million serious fans who might consider it and albums like HYF and Presto only have a twentieth of that then that’s still enough. They're not intended as a mass product anyway. Above a certain small number it’s all moot anyway. A few years ago I bought the giant Judas Priest boxset with like 40 CDs and it was about $600. Some fans complained that it was too expensive but heck, they only even made 3000 of them. The overwhelming majority of fans were not getting one no matter what. The Triumph Allied Forces 40th box was about $100 and they only made 1000 of them. So my point is that when you’re talking about such tiny numbers there’s always going to be at least a few thousand Rush fans to buy those. Well, the suits don't like product hanging around for very long any more. So the fact that you can probably still get Super Deluxes for Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures and Signals new likely does not make them happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, malm_51 said: A little off topic! If we're not getting what we want, put a hold on all purchases!!! never mind the tee shirts, posters, ash trays, coffee mugs, shot glasses, hoodies, bottle openers, scarfs, it's the unreleased material we want! Mostly live shows at that!!! Send a message!!! Always do this. If it appeals, I get it. Research and Development has been lacking in my opinion. Baseballs yes. Bobbleheads no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 The guys were pretty smart to cash out when they did. LOL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital82 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Nova Carmina said: I doubt anything happens. The moment for such things, especially post-Moving Pictures, is gone. I'll be very, very surprised if there are any more. We'll have to make do with the memories, folks! be prepared then to be surprised 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Digital82 said: be prepared then to be surprised I guess the virtue of predictions like this is that the predictor can always say "It's just not true yet!" and keep spooling the thing out endlessly. I'll be happy to be wrong (unless it's on par with the Signals release), but nothing goes on forever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starscreamsrevenge Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Obviously, Digital82 knows something we don't, he's doing his best to tell us "this is happening", we just need to read between the lines!! :) My personal prediction? I think these 40th sets will continue until at least Presto so that all of the 80's albums are covered. MAYBE the 90's albums come next, because from 2030, technically anything from that decade is 40 years old. That's WAY down the track though!!! Just think, we'll have all these fun and games in 12 months to work out when the Power Windows 40th set is being released ha ha ha!!!! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I'm usually the pessimistic one but I'm pretty sure we'll still be getting periodic archive stuff for a while, although clearly there is some finite limit to how much there is. Do you guys collect physical media in general or pay attention to other bands at all? There's still an absolute flood of stuff coming out constantly, from the biggest bands to the smallest and even from bands that haven't been popular in ages. And in general, metal and prog bands have the most passionate fans which only increases the demand for more. Just literally off the top of my head in the last few weeks alone The Police announced a box set of Synchronicity with an unreleased live show, Yes has a box set of Talk coming in a few weeks with an unreleased concert and another of Fragile right after that with more and the Yes Album was only released a few months ago with yet more unreleased live stuff. Van Halen announced their first ever archive box with an unreleased live show, and Pete Townshend has a 14 CD live box set coming that was announced a few days ago. And even bands that used to be big but haven't sold any meaningful numbers of albums in decades are doing it too. There is a live CD/DVD of REO Speedwagon from 1979 coming soon and Loverboy just released a live CD/Bluray last week from 1982. I could keep listing stuff for paragraphs or pages, every style, every era, etc. My point is that just because these things don't sell millions like studio albums used to and because they aren't stacked in the aisles of Walmart for the general public doesn't mean that there's no interest, but these things are for hardcore fans. and Rush still has more of those than most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 25 minutes ago, snowdog2112 said: I'm usually the pessimistic one but I'm pretty sure we'll still be getting periodic archive stuff for a while, although clearly there is some finite limit to how much there is. Do you guys collect physical media in general or pay attention to other bands at all? There's still an absolute flood of stuff coming out constantly, from the biggest bands to the smallest and even from bands that haven't been popular in ages. And in general, metal and prog bands have the most passionate fans which only increases the demand for more. Just literally off the top of my head in the last few weeks alone The Police announced a box set of Synchronicity with an unreleased live show, Yes has a box set of Talk coming in a few weeks with an unreleased concert and another of Fragile right after that with more and the Yes Album was only released a few months ago with yet more unreleased live stuff. Van Halen announced their first ever archive box with an unreleased live show, and Pete Townshend has a 14 CD live box set coming that was announced a few days ago. And even bands that used to be big but haven't sold any meaningful numbers of albums in decades are doing it too. There is a live CD/DVD of REO Speedwagon from 1979 coming soon and Loverboy just released a live CD/Bluray last week from 1982. I could keep listing stuff for paragraphs or pages, every style, every era, etc. My point is that just because these things don't sell millions like studio albums used to and because they aren't stacked in the aisles of Walmart for the general public doesn't mean that there's no interest, but these things are for hardcore fans. and Rush still has more of those than most. All good precedents, true. But that's where such material exists, yes? Do we know that's the case here? Some seem/pretend to, but what do we have evidence for? Further, one of the great things about Rush historically, is that they do not do things like everybody else. To re-emphasize: I know nothing. I'm deducing, based on what we know about Rush. Edited June 10 by Nova Carmina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) Well, we certainly don't know everything they have and even some things we think we know that they have or had may not be usable for whatever reason (like the remaining footage from the three 80s concert releases), but we still know of a heck of a lot. Starting from GUP, as we've been discussing it's certainly likely that all of that Toronto show was recorded and filmed, it's just a matter of what survives. They recorded several shows on the Power Windows tour. Two of the songs are on ASOH and the Wandering the Face of the Earth book lists the other shows that were multitracked. We also obviously know that the HYF tour was recorded in full from many shows. Presto likely wasn't professionally recorded but we know of two venue filmed shows, at least one of which they clearly have the master for since they released half of it. Roll the Bones was professionally recorded in London and an hour of that was used for radio broadcast, it's likely they have the whole thing. At least part of Auburn Hills was filmed by Anthem, there are clips from throughout the show on various docs and promo things. Plus we now know that Irvine Meadows was filmed by Atlantic Records. Counterparts had at least some shows recorded to multitrack, and a few bits of them are on DS. There's also the venue filmed show at Auburn Hills and at least some filming was done at another show because the brief clip in BTLS was not from Auburn Hills. Obviously, a ton of shows were recorded for TFE and I hope the other half of the Toronto show video is salvageable, too. As far as earlier stuff, there were a bunch of radio shows from 1974, 1975, and 1976 that have been bootlegged but could certainly be improved with original sources. Then there's all the remainder of the 3 nights recorded for ATWAS. London was professionally recorded and filmed on the Hemispheres tour. And a bunch more dates were recorded on the PW and MP tours. Again, the dates are all in the WTFOTE book. Nothing has ever been mentioned about anything being professionally recorded or filmed for Signals which is why I never expected any live content. I'll skip the later tours post DS because we already have complete audio/video from all those tours anyway but there could be more. They did some 3D filming tests for one of them, I think from memory either S&A or TM, and clearly they filmed all of the Atlanta show that the bonus clips came from S&A Live because Neil's dvd has the whole show from his viewpoint. Edited June 10 by snowdog2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) There may be a P/G 40 in the pipe. I have no idea. But I will say this - again - they f***ed it up with SIG40. They seem to have forgotten who the fanbase is, what we want, and the format that we will actually buy. Which i think has created a lot of 'mistrust' and pessimism for the future. Speaking for myself, as hardcore a fan as any of you - SIG40 was the __first Rush release that I have not bought__ in 40 years. Which kind of leaves me thinking that maybe I'm in a new phase now....where "geez - I don't need some shiny new Rush thing. What's it really worth anyway? Is it just a cash grab at this point?". The enthusiasm is waning...... and there are a lot of other bands to spend money and time on. Edited June 10 by grep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 They certainly went nuts with the promotional budget for GuP. maybe they thought Signals undersold. I’m curious which album sold more. I know the Signals singles (say that fast) were bigger hits. But damn - GuP had videos for half the songs on the album! And a full live video release. And a fancy new haircut on Lerxst. This is big money spent! I’m thinking there is potential for quite a few nuggets with a GuP 40 box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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