1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepphead Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Way too complicated for me! I thought a meter was something you fed coins into ..... like a parking meter! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 This is that Karnavool song he was talking about. Absolutely killer track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkrush Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I'm terrible at math, but I just found out I love 7/8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Busted out some obscure Zappa. Everyone Wants to Rule the World feels odd, even though it's in 6/4 (12/8). Turn It On and All You Need Is Love were the surprises from this list for me, both are great tracks and flow so well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Here's an example of 7/4 done masterfully well, it would have been near the top of any such list I would create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 hours ago, stoopid said: Everyone Wants to Rule the World feels odd, even though it's in 6/4 (12/8). In that song and many others like it, 12/8 feels more like 4/4 with triplets. The song starts with that and stays with it for the whole song, so you find yourself counting it 1-2-3-4. Then you have Freewill, where you hear it slam into that 12/8 solo section coming out of the 5/4 and 4/4 measures before it, and it has a completely different feel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex’s Amazing Arpeggios Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 hours ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: In that song and many others like it, 12/8 feels more like 4/4 with triplets. The song starts with that and stays with it for the whole song, so you find yourself counting it 1-2-3-4. Then you have Freewill, where you hear it slam into that 12/8 solo section coming out of the 5/4 and 4/4 measures before it, and it has a completely different feel. I love all this studying of the maths behind the language of Music 👍😎 it’s a big reason I love our beloved 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte7598 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, stoopid said: Here's an example of 7/4 done masterfully well, it would have been near the top of any such list I would create. This sounds like 3/4 or 9/4 to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte7598 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) This one is all over the place. Edited June 23, 2022 by Charlotte7598 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Four Sticks by Zep is another. Bonzo's part was so tricky they nearly gave up on recording it. Learning new songs by ear, I rarely try to figure out time signatures; just practice until the 'timing' is down. The nerdy mathematical part of music has been gone for some while. In a Soundgarden interview, they never charted out their tracks with time signatures. At some point when it was pointed out what time signature a song was, they would just say 'oh well...yeah I guess it is 7/8 or whatever.' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, stoopid said: Here's an example of 7/4 done masterfully well, it would have been near the top of any such list I would create. 27 minutes ago, Charlotte7598 said: This sounds like 3/4 or 9/4 to me. Yes, it's in 9/4 with the 4/4 instrumental break in the middle. But as stoopid said, it's very well done and easy to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 One of the best top 40 hits in a unique signature at least in the verses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) One of my favorite songs with odd times is one I still can't figure out because Gavin is insane with his polyrhythms and trickery. I think it's in 4/4 in the verses but the drum groove makes it impossible for me to really know for sure. The heavy refrain is definitely in 5/8. Edited June 23, 2022 by The Analog Cub 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 17 hours ago, Charlotte7598 said: This sounds like 3/4 or 9/4 to me. Very well could be, I said 7/4 based on my memory of what SW said so of course either of our memories could be wrong. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 17 hours ago, HemiBeers said: Learning new songs by ear, I rarely try to figure out time signatures; just practice until the 'timing' is down. The nerdy mathematical part of music has been gone for some while. In a Soundgarden interview, they never charted out their tracks with time signatures. At some point when it was pointed out what time signature a song was, they would just say 'oh well...yeah I guess it is 7/8 or whatever.' As much as I tend to gravitate towards music in odd (non 4/4) signatures, I don't find myself counting along or doing a lot of these in my own music. I think it's just how these songs can sometimes 'feel' creative in a way it's more challenging to accomplish through pure riff mastery in 4/4. Adds an element of depth that can carry even otherwise ordinary compositions (All You Need is Love a good example from the video -- simple riff to play but the odd time signature injects some very enjoyable/unique feel to the song). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, The Analog Cub said: One of my favorite songs with odd times is one I still can't figure out because Gavin is insane with his polyrhythms and trickery. I think it's in 4/4 in the verses but the drum groove makes it impossible for me to really know for sure. The heavy refrain is definitely in 5/8. The verses are in 7/8. Gavin's kick and snare pattern give the illusion of 4/4, but the hi hat pattern gives away the true time sig, which is 7/8. The solo section is also in 7/8, and Gavin doesn't try to hide that, but he does smooth out the odd-time with steady quarter notes on the ride cymbal. He actually makes 7/8 groove -- you're bopping your head to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream & vapour Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, invisible airwave said: One of the best top 40 hits in a unique signature at least in the verses. Touch and Go! A great song, and a great one to pick for this topic. Not only does it feature an odd time signature (5/4), but also polymeter. At points, the rhythm section plays in 5/4, while the guitar and keys play in 4/4 atop that. So funky and cool. Any fan of Alex Lifeson would surely appreciate those two shimmering chords Elliot Easton plays (for instance, at the 2:00 mark). Those suckers took me a few minutes to figure out properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream & vapour Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 As Rick chose both a song from Sting and also the Police, I was rather surprised he didn't highlight this example which usually comes to my mind when the odd time signature subject arises (it's always good for a 'Try to count this one out' challenge): (It's in 9/8) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Follow-up vid: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopid Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 6 hours ago, invisible airwave said: One of the best top 40 hits in a unique signature at least in the verses. Great lead guitar part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: The verses are in 7/8. Gavin's kick and snare pattern give the illusion of 4/4, but the hi hat pattern gives away the true time sig, which is 7/8. The solo section is also in 7/8, and Gavin doesn't try to hide that, but he does smooth out the odd-time with steady quarter notes on the ride cymbal. He actually makes 7/8 groove -- you're bopping your head to it. You've got it. Those verses are definitely 7/8 after I gave it another listen. Gavin is a real trickster. Any Gavin-era Porcupine Tree or Pineapple Thief song I'm just constantly gravitating towards his drum parts and having my mind blown. Barbieri's keyboards are the icing on the cake, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malignant Narcissist Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Regarding Gavin Harrison and a slight side note, apparently Neil P and he got together sometime for a meal and friendly chat - not sure how it came about or whether they'd just met via drumming circles - but there was some discussion about a 'drum battle'/concert that Gavin and Neil were invited to in order to 'compete' against each other. It was mentioned by Gavin in a 'tube discussion forum about prog music that Gavin was on. He said that Neil had politely declined taking part in it feeling that he would be 'too anxious' to do something like that. Maybe he was scared of Gavin's chops! NB:- I've no idea how to rank and compare drummers. I'm getting to know the names of drummers who have good reputations like Neil and Gavin but wouldn't know how you compare them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/22/2022 at 3:15 PM, zepphead said: Way too complicated for me! I thought a meter was something you fed coins into ..... like a parking meter! Lovely Rita! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I was skeptical because there are so so so many great odd time songs out there and I was afraid he might gravitate to the most cliche choices, but with Animals by Muse starting off the vid I was proven wrong. Great tune, and great video. He may need to do a jazz one for all the people mentioning Dave Brubeck in the comments though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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