Albums You've Listened To Today, V.8

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4 hours ago, zepphead said:

Circa Survive - The Amulet

 

Circa Survive - Descensus

 

I just came across this band by accident. I don't know much about them other than they are from Philadelphia.

The singer has quite an interesting vocal range but i just can't decide where they fit in musically.

Probably worth a few more listens.

Flawless band. So happy to see them FINALLY mentioned here!

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Lorna Shore- Pain Remains 

 

I keep coming back to this album. I really am impressed with it, it's chaotic. But it has beauty and a strange sense of grace. Not for the weakhearted.

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Windham Hill Records - Winter Solstice 3.

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1 hour ago, Segue Myles said:

Flawless band. So happy to see them FINALLY mentioned here!

I literally have just started to listen to them. Any particular albums you would recommend?

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1 hour ago, zepphead said:

I literally have just started to listen to them. Any particular albums you would recommend?

On Letting Go is a masterpiece, but I have a soft spot for Juturna, the debut.

 

They are like a more esoteric Coheed And Cambria. They came out of the really creative side of 2000s emo (ignore the plastic emo of crap like Fall Out Boy, Paramore, All Americaan Rejects etc, the genre truly has highly talented, insanely overlooked bands).

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14 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

On Letting Go is a masterpiece, but I have a soft spot for Juturna, the debut.

 

They are like a more esoteric Coheed And Cambria. They came out of the really creative side of 2000s emo (ignore the plastic emo of crap like Fall Out Boy, Paramore, All Americaan Rejects etc, the genre truly has highly talented, insanely overlooked bands).

No need to ignore all of those great bands you called plastic! There’s room enough to listen to everything!

 

I am very curious about this band you two are discussing now though. 

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6 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

No need to ignore all of those great bands you called plastic! There’s room enough to listen to everything!

 

I am very curious about this band you two are discussing now though. 

To me they sound plastic. Not saying that's a bad thing, that radio ready sheen has its place. But due to the very one sided nature of what hit the 2000s mainstream, I think it's fair to also call attention to the far more ambitious work in the genre that bubbled under the surface. The three bands I mentioned are worth nothing compared to Circa Survive or Coheed And Cambria as far as I am concerned. The massive success of Disney channel emo ruined the genre and it's reputation. It was a painful thing to witness, and I was there watching it in slow motion.

 

I look back now and realise the poppier side of emo actually bursted with gems, so hindsight is a gift. 

 

But hey, you won't play Taylor Swift so you too are guilty of rash judgements 🤣

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11 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

No need to ignore all of those great bands you called plastic! There’s room enough to listen to everything!

 

I am very curious about this band you two are discussing now though. 

Circa Survive I think you'd love. Proggier emo, they were quirky and insanely gifted. As far as commercial emo goes (and again I don't hate it, I just think a lot of the singles that hit the charts unfortunately seemed pushed by the radio for being very basic, I think the three bands I mentioned have deep cuts worth their weight in gold from that era), you should definitely try Saosin. The lead singer of Circa Survive was in that band first. They have hooks and anthems for days, it's unfortunate the album came out when it did because it was battling titans of radio friendly emo.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

To me they sound plastic. Not saying that's a bad thing, that radio ready sheen has its place. But due to the very one sided nature of what hit the 2000s mainstream, I think it's fair to also call attention to the far more ambitious work in the genre that bubbled under the surface. The three bands I mentioned are worth nothing compared to Circa Survive or Coheed And Cambria as far as I am concerned. The massive success of Disney channel emo ruined the genre and it's reputation. It was a painful thing to witness, and I was there watching it in slow motion.

 

I look back now and realise the poppier side of emo actually bursted with gems, so hindsight is a gift. 

 

But hey, you won't play Taylor Swift so you too are guilty of rash judgements 🤣

I... eh yeah you got me there with Swift. But like, you actually like those "plastic" bands, lol.

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10 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

Circa Survive I think you'd love. Proggier emo, they were quirky and insanely gifted. As far as commercial emo goes (and again I don't hate it, I just think a lot of the singles that hit the charts unfortunately seemed pushed by the radio for being very basic, I think the three bands I mentioned have deep cuts worth their weight in gold from that era), you should definitely try Saosin. The lead singer of Circa Survive was in that band first. They have hooks and anthems for days, it's unfortunate the album came out when it did because it was battling titans of radio friendly emo.

 

 

 

 

Must check this out later, just put on a record. But yay new rec! I look forward to checking them out!

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2 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

I... eh yeah you got me there with Swift. But like, you actually like those "plastic" bands, lol.

I didn't use "plastic" to sound derogatory. But I do feel it fits. Listen to popular rock music in the 2000s, from Paramore to Evanescence to Alter Bridge to even Lacuna Coil, there is an overproduced sound to the production, and many bands I think suffered from a really overly produced sound, with songs tightened so much they sounded ready for the new teen drama or toothpaste advert. 

 

Even Jimmy Eat World suffered with the production overkill on Chase This Light. 

 

And that entire wave of high school musical oriented emo gets under my skin, did then, does now. I don't think Paramore realised their potential until album umber three. AAR are what they are. FOB are one of the worst bands ever. I said what I said.

 

And yes, I think Swift suffered the same plastic style production on her first three albums.  So glad she is rerecording them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

 

Must check this out later, just put on a record. But yay new rec! I look forward to checking them out!

Saosis are fine. Circa Survive are the real gem

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9 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

I didn't use "plastic" to sound derogatory. But I do feel it fits. Listen to popular rock music in the 2000s, from Paramore to Evanescence to Alter Bridge to even Lacuna Coil, there is an overproduced sound to the production, and many bands I think suffered from a really overly produced sound, with songs tightened so much they sounded ready for the new teen drama or toothpaste advert. 

 

Even Jimmy Eat World suffered with the production overkill on Chase This Light. 

 

And that entire wave of high school musical oriented emo gets under my skin, did then, does now. I don't think Paramore realised their potential until album umber three. AAR are what they are. FOB are one of the worst bands ever. I said what I said.

 

And yes, I think Swift suffered the same plastic style production on her first three albums.  So glad she is rerecording them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't find Chase This Light to have plastic production so much as kinda thin. The sound on Bleed American and also on Futures feels a lot more radio ready to me than CTL.  I can play Sweetness right next to Sugar We're Going Down and Misery Business and not bat an eye at the production differences, or the melodic differences.  The latter two might be a shade more theatrically performed in the vocal department, but that's about it to my ears.

 

I do generally agree that a lot of 00s rock, especially on the heavier side, got really clean and and perfect sounding. It bothers me more in butt rock and metal than it does in mall emo and pop punk.

 

 

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I also agree that Paramore perfected their original sound with Brand New Eyes.  

Edited December 23, 2022 by Entre_Perpetuo

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8 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

I don't find Chase This Light to have plastic production so much as kinda thin. The sound on Bleed American and also on Futures feels a lot more radio ready to me than CTL.  I can play Sweetness right next to Sugar We're Going Down and Misery Business and not bat an eye at the production differences, or the melodic differences.  The latter two might be a shade more theatrically performed in the vocal department, but that's about it to my ears.

 

I do generally agree that a lot of 00s rock, especially on the heavier side, got really clean and and perfect sounding. It bothers me more in butt rock and metal than it does in mall emo and pop punk.

 

 

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I also agree that Paramore perfected their original sound with Brand New Eyes.  

True but I don't think Paramore had the songwriting chops to match Jimmy. And I can't stand FOB or Panic!, and the music from that time they brought out I think was insanely catchy and absolutely useless. I'm warmer towards Panic because their discography is nuts in the most interesting ways, and I think Urie is incredibly talented. But I'm not a fan of that debut at all. It sounds to my ears like a Family Guy parody of The Killers Hot Fuss.

 

Jimmy Eat World deserved better commercially, Futures especially. We won't see eye to eye on this, we love the same genre from very different angles. And that's absolutely fine. 

 

I will confess that the only songs I like from FoB are to be found on the album I most despised at the time, but I put that down to a mixture of getting older and having a twinge of nostalgia. 

 

Misery Business is fine, it's no Just A Girl by No Doubt.

 

Also, the overly shiny hyper produced production style of Bleed American is why I rank that album fairly low. I love the songs but I prefer demos I've heard floating about. They also went super slick and overly produced on that album by design: they were dropped by their label for flopping and purposely went out of their way to write a bit album. I feel they did better with Futures, and later the underrated Invented.

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Segue Myles

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1 minute ago, Segue Myles said:

True but I don't think Paramore had the songwriting chops to match Jimmy. And I can't stand FOB or Panic!, and the music from that time they brought out I think was insanely catchy and absolutely useless. I'm warmer towards Panic because their discography is nuts in the most interesting ways, and I think Urie is incredibly talented. But I'm not a fan of that debut at all. It sounds to my ears like a Family Guy parody of The Killers Hot Fuss.

 

Jimmy Eat World deserved better commercially, Futures especially. We won't see eye to eye on this, we love the same genre from very different angles. And that's absolutely fine. 

 

I will confess that the only songs I like from FoB are to be found on the album I most despised at the time, but I put that down to a mixture of getting older and having a twinge of nostalgia. 

 

Misery Business is fine, it's no Just A Girl by No Doubt.

 

I mean, Haley would agree with you and fangirl over Jimmy Eat World, and Jim would downplay his own skills and say Paramore was great, so idk. I chalk that up to taste. I don't think Haley was ever going to write 23. I don't think Jim was ever going to write Brick By Boring Brick. I can't say I find one better written than the other.

 

Fair enough on the Panic debut. It is a very weird sounding record, just from a pop punk production standpoint, the guitars and the riffs they're playing are treated as little more than window dressing for the hooks and bonkers arrangements. It took me a good few listens to get my head around it. I don't hear the similarity to Hot Fuss though. To me The Killers had much more in common musically with The Strokes and Modest Mouse than Panic or FOB.  

 

No I will see eye to eye with you on Jimmy deserving better commercially!  Until you and Mick got me to really give them a chance, the only song I'd ever heard by them anywhere was The Middle.  To modern American pop culture, they are practically a one hit wonder, even though the charts at the time and emo fans everywhere would say different.  They should be all over radio and streaming to this day. 

 

Which FOB songs do you like? I'm curious. 

 

Misery Business is three good things: that riff, that chorus, and the attitude with which they are played/sung.  Paramore have many better songs, but that one hits a very particular nerve with audiences which little else can. It's a very similar feeling in the room when they play it that there is when Panic plays I Write Sins Not Tragedies, a kind of cathartic, safe, unrelenting euphoric rage.

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3 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

I mean, Haley would agree with you and fangirl over Jimmy Eat World, and Jim would downplay his own skills and say Paramore was great, so idk. I chalk that up to taste. I don't think Haley was ever going to write 23. I don't think Jim was ever going to write Brick By Boring Brick. I can't say I find one better written than the other.

 

Fair enough on the Panic debut. It is a very weird sounding record, just from a pop punk production standpoint, the guitars and the riffs they're playing are treated as little more than window dressing for the hooks and bonkers arrangements. It took me a good few listens to get my head around it. I don't hear the similarity to Hot Fuss though. To me The Killers had much more in common musically with The Strokes and Modest Mouse than Panic or FOB.  

 

No I will see eye to eye with you on Jimmy deserving better commercially!  Until you and Mick got me to really give them a chance, the only song I'd ever heard by them anywhere was The Middle.  To modern American pop culture, they are practically a one hit wonder, even though the charts at the time and emo fans everywhere would say different.  They should be all over radio and streaming to this day. 

 

Which FOB songs do you like? I'm curious. 

 

Misery Business is three good things: that riff, that chorus, and the attitude with which they are played/sung.  Paramore have many better songs, but that one hits a very particular nerve with audiences which little else can. It's a very similar feeling in the room when they play it that there is when Panic plays I Write Sins Not Tragedies, a kind of cathartic, safe, unrelenting euphoric rage.

Me disliking music isn't me saying everyone has to agree with me!

 

If I worried about what people might think of my tastes I'd avoid praising In Flames and Taylor Swift 🤣

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5 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

I mean, Haley would agree with you and fangirl over Jimmy Eat World, and Jim would downplay his own skills and say Paramore was great, so idk. I chalk that up to taste. I don't think Haley was ever going to write 23. I don't think Jim was ever going to write Brick By Boring Brick. I can't say I find one better written than the other.

 

Fair enough on the Panic debut. It is a very weird sounding record, just from a pop punk production standpoint, the guitars and the riffs they're playing are treated as little more than window dressing for the hooks and bonkers arrangements. It took me a good few listens to get my head around it. I don't hear the similarity to Hot Fuss though. To me The Killers had much more in common musically with The Strokes and Modest Mouse than Panic or FOB.  

 

No I will see eye to eye with you on Jimmy deserving better commercially!  Until you and Mick got me to really give them a chance, the only song I'd ever heard by them anywhere was The Middle.  To modern American pop culture, they are practically a one hit wonder, even though the charts at the time and emo fans everywhere would say different.  They should be all over radio and streaming to this day. 

 

Which FOB songs do you like? I'm curious. 

 

Misery Business is three good things: that riff, that chorus, and the attitude with which they are played/sung.  Paramore have many better songs, but that one hits a very particular nerve with audiences which little else can. It's a very similar feeling in the room when they play it that there is when Panic plays I Write Sins Not Tragedies, a kind of cathartic, safe, unrelenting euphoric rage.

Also I like Brick By Boring Brick but I don't think it's a grand achievement in songwriting. 

 

I love I Write Sins, it's the only song on that album I rate. 

 

I love the singles off From Under The Cork Tree. Hated them at the time, but have grown to appreciate them now, but again, mostly nostalgia.

 

 

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Also I like Brick By Boring Brick but I don't think it's a grand achievement in songwriting. 

 

I love I Write Sins, it's the only song on that album I rate. 

 

I love the singles off From Under The Cork Tree. Hated them at the time, but have grown to appreciate them now, but again, mostly nostalgia.

 

 

 

Playing God perhaps? There are songs on that record that move me more than 90% of music I've ever heard in my life. BBBB is one of them.

 

I do love those singles. That was the album that got me into FOB. I think the sugary coating over such bitter and shallow words helped me out when I was feeling very socially isolated.

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7 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

Me disliking music isn't me saying everyone has to agree with me!

 

If I worried about what people might think of my tastes I'd avoid praising In Flames and Taylor Swift 🤣

 

I know, I just know you can hold a discussion about your own opinions, which I enjoy doing with you, lol.

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1 minute ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

 

I know, I just know you can hold a discussion about your own opinions, which I enjoy doing with you, lol.

Oh good, I was worried I might have sounded like I was insulting your taste (I'm definitely not, I love mainstream music.)

 

I mean I love metal and I most certainly do not rate all of it. 

 

No different with emo (which I think is a dumb name for a broad genre but there is no denying the scene all these bands evolved from).

 

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2 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

 

I know, I just know you can hold a discussion about your own opinions, which I enjoy doing with you, lol.

 

i just like teasing folks about bands/albums i personally don't like.  in reality i don't care one bit, lol.  like what you like.

 

Mick

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5 minutes ago, Entre_Perpetuo said:

 

Playing God perhaps? There are songs on that record that move me more than 90% of music I've ever heard in my life. BBBB is one of them.

 

I do love those singles. That was the album that got me into FOB. I think the sugary coating over such bitter and shallow words helped me out when I was feeling very socially isolated.

I must admit lockdown really lead me to embrace poppier music. I needed the Taylor's and the Carey's and the Killers in that time.

 

I'm surprised you dislike Taylor so much, I see she and Hayley as very similar writers. Both crossover in style often.