CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I think that Danny Carey of TOOL is the best rock drummer on the planet these days. He is more inventive and plays with soul as well as precision. When he plays something you believe it. Portnoy is all chops and no feeling, and not terribly impressive. Kind of a watered down Morgenstein. Which makes sense. All of DT are kind of bland in a "look at me" kind of way. BFD! Throughout their set I got the impression that they were trying to be like Yes. Their sharing a stage with Yes emphasized how much they are wannbes compared to the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammz Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I would have to say Lars and Rikki!! Overrated as ever!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Boots Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I think AVH is great. Him and Michael Anthony are probably the most solid rhtym section in rock(for the record i don't consider Geddy/Neil, Squire/White, etc. as rythum sections). I really think Mike Portnoy is overrated. He has the biggest ego of any musician I've heard, even after he's been playing for twenty years. Most guys get over themselves, but he hasn't. He gauges the sound quality of songs on how well the double bass drum can be heard! -Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Welcome Boots! Why don't you consider Ged/Neil and/or Squire/White(Bruford) as rhythm sections like other bands? Not that I totally disagree, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Oct 21 2004, 08:58 PM) Why don't you consider Ged/Neil and/or Squire/White(Bruford) as rhythm sections like other bands? Not that I totally disagree, just curious. Maybe because Geddy and Chris are more upfront bassists? Their styles are more lead-like, whereas Michael Anthony is more of a basic, locked in with the bass drum, "lay down the bottom" player. That's how I interpreted Boots' comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Boots Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Oct 21 2004, 08:42 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Oct 21 2004, 08:58 PM) Why don't you consider Ged/Neil and/or Squire/White(Bruford) as rhythm sections like other bands? Not that I totally disagree, just curious. Maybe because Geddy and Chris are more upfront bassists? Their styles are more lead-like, whereas Michael Anthony is more of a basic, locked in with the bass drum, "lay down the bottom" player. That's how I interpreted Boots' comment. Exactly. Not that I don't consider Michael Anthony an excellent bassist(he's definitely better than most), he just chose to take a background approach to playing the bass, which is prefect with AVH's heavy backbeat approach to drumming. Personally, I wish Anthony took a more up-front approach because he definitely has the skills to do it! -Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostGirl Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Oct 21 2004, 08:42 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Oct 21 2004, 08:58 PM) Why don't you consider Ged/Neil and/or Squire/White(Bruford) as rhythm sections like other bands? Not that I totally disagree, just curious. Maybe because Geddy and Chris are more upfront bassists? Their styles are more lead-like, whereas Michael Anthony is more of a basic, locked in with the bass drum, "lay down the bottom" player. That's how I interpreted Boots' comment. Wow! This may be a first...I'm actually commenting on something in the MUSICIAN'S thread... Here goes: I agree. (To be honest [i realize my musical tastes are a bit limited, but regardless] I never realized how "up front" bass could be, until I got into Rush and Yes. Both Ged and Chris bring so much to the instrument, the bass became just as interesting as the lead on many songs.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 (edited) While Geddy and Squire are quite melodic, I don't think you can deny the effect their rhythms play against the rest of the music. Also, considering the way that Neil and Geddy play off of one another (likewise with Squire and Bruford or White) they are definitely a team. Now generally a rhythm section is more that two people, and includes guitar or piano I still think that both of these "sections" are just that. Melody plays a large role, however those bass melodies are counter melodies and offer rhythmic support and harmonic enhancement to the dominant melodies. I don't think Squire of Geddy would be who they were without contributions by guys like McCartney who was one of the first melodic bass players in Rock and Roll. Everything he did from Sgt. Pepper forward is a testament to that. Also, he borrowed ideas in voicing from Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, of all people, who liked to changed chords by altering the bass note. Plus Jack Bruce's aggression and James Jamerson's groove. Then there's John Entwistle, the original acrobatic bass player. Then the most under rated bass player of all time, John Paul Jones who everybody seems to forget, but Zeppelin would not be near as cool without his rhythmic melodies. Now, do Geddy and Neil or Squire and whomever always "hold down the fort" musically? I would say generally yes. Are they a rhythm section? Who knows? But a rhythm section to me is more than two people. I would say that both Rush and Yes are rooted together by a foundation melodic bass rhythm. Edited October 26, 2004 by CygnusX-1Bk2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Oct 26 2004, 03:06 PM)Then the most under rated bass player of all time, John Paul Jones who everybody seems to forget, but Zeppelin would not be near as cool without his rhythmic melodies. I think he's been forgotton by the surviving members of Led Zeppelin the most. Good post Cyg - like so many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Lars is easily the most overrated drummer ever. I mean, everyone thinks he is top of the line just because he is in Metallica. He doesn't do that many things to be considered "amazing". All of his beats sound the same, and he doesn't go all that fast. Neil Peart and Buddy Rich top my list. My friend and I at school always debate, and he is such an idiot. He thinks Lars is better than Neil Peart. I just want to scream at him sometimes for being so foolish!!! I guess he just can't come to see the truth. Anyways, NEIL PEART RULES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I really like Metallica but I also would have to go with Lars. Neil is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Oct 30 2004, 08:14 PM) Lars is easily the most overrated drummer ever. I mean, everyone thinks he is top of the line just because he is in Metallica. He doesn't do that many things to be considered "amazing". All of his beats sound the same, and he doesn't go all that fast. Neil Peart and Buddy Rich top my list. My friend and I at school always debate, and he is such an idiot. He thinks Lars is better than Neil Peart. I just want to scream at him sometimes for being so foolish!!! I guess he just can't come to see the truth. Anyways, NEIL PEART RULES!!! Lars is better than Neil Peart...WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT KID IS SUCH A D*UCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ok I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 QUOTE (yyz @ Nov 2 2004, 04:49 PM) I really like Metallica but I also would have to go with Lars. Neil is awesome. Hell yeah dude. He's the best drummer in my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Neil Peart is by far the best! YEEHAW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil_rush_dude Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 As much as I think this dudes a gd drummer ppl must SHUT UP BOUT HIM!!!! sory but joey jordeson(if thts how u spell it) from SlipKnot is overshadowed by Neil Peart in every way. Oh an just for the record, Flee from the Chilis is the most overrated bassist evr. It ent all bout speed bro! Geddy wud kick his ass any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
launchpad67a Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 QUOTE (lil_rush_dude @ Nov 10 2004, 04:15 PM) Oh an just for the record, Flee from the Chilis is the most overrated bassist evr. It ent all bout speed bro! Geddy wud kick his ass any day. Dude, Flea is a great bass player. Put down the pipe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Yeah dude, Flea is awesome. He is nowhere near overrated. I agree totally with launchpad on this one... put down the pipe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-13 Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Oct 30 2004, 06:14 PM) Lars is easily the most overrated drummer ever. I mean, everyone thinks he is top of the line just because he is in Metallica. He doesn't do that many things to be considered "amazing". All of his beats sound the same, and he doesn't go all that fast. Neil Peart and Buddy Rich top my list. My friend and I at school always debate, and he is such an idiot. He thinks Lars is better than Neil Peart. I just want to scream at him sometimes for being so foolish!!! I guess he just can't come to see the truth. Anyways, NEIL PEART RULES!!! Yes I don't like Lars....at all...and never will, but I like Metallica. However I agree with NPF2112 all his beats are all the same....nothing to be amazed about there.....Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa and Neil Peart are my fav drumemers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Your fav drummers are some of mine too...especially Peart! Lars does do all same beats but yes I DO like metallica. Lars is kind of a jackass though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 QUOTE (D-13 @ Nov 10 2004, 06:37 PM) QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Oct 30 2004, 06:14 PM) Lars is easily the most overrated drummer ever. I mean, everyone thinks he is top of the line just because he is in Metallica. He doesn't do that many things to be considered "amazing". All of his beats sound the same, and he doesn't go all that fast. Neil Peart and Buddy Rich top my list. My friend and I at school always debate, and he is such an idiot. He thinks Lars is better than Neil Peart. I just want to scream at him sometimes for being so foolish!!! I guess he just can't come to see the truth. Anyways, NEIL PEART RULES!!! Yes I don't like Lars....at all...and never will, but I like Metallica. However I agree with NPF2112 all his beats are all the same....nothing to be amazed about there.....Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa and Neil Peart are my fav drumemers... Thanks. Finally, some support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Well of course! Peart kicks @$$!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 QUOTE (yyz @ Nov 10 2004, 07:01 PM) Well of course! Peart kicks @$$!!! Hell yeah he does. I got Ghostrider today, the book he wrote. It's really good so far. I feel so bad for him, and am so glad that he got over that horrible tradgedy. He is a very strong and amazing man for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Yea those tragedies are horrible Im glad he came back to drum after a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 QUOTE (yyz @ Nov 10 2004, 07:11 PM) Yea those tragedies are horrible Im glad he came back to drum after a while! Indeed. He is an amazing person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumnut Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 <Animal not overrated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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