Article comparing 1918 pandemic and 2020 pandemic

[driventotheedge]

I highly recommend this in its entirety.

 

https://epaper.columbian.com/infinity/article_popover_share.aspx?guid=523364a6-3498-4c04-82b3-df5245b54361

[RushFanForever]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

[driventotheedge]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

[Rick N. Backer]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

[driventotheedge]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

[Rick N. Backer]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

 

As am I. No offense, but I suspect this is what Lorraine is talking about. There are a lot of posts in RS on this general topic that really belong in SOCN. I myself don't start politically tinged discussions in RS, but I admit I am intrigued that there seems to be the perception that politically tinged discussions are OK in RS as long as they adhere to a certain orthodoxy. Probably better that the points just don't get raised at all.

[JohnRogers]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

 

As am I. No offense, but I suspect this is what Lorraine is talking about. There are a lot of posts in RS on this general topic that really belong in SOCN. I myself don't start politically tinged discussions in RS, but I admit I am intrigued that there seems to be the perception that politically tinged discussions are OK in RS as long as they adhere to a certain orthodoxy. Probably better that the points just don't get raised at all.

RS=leftist mainstream media fluff. SOCN=nuanced independent media

 

All kidding aside it wasn’t just Bad Orange Man that politicized COVID. Deciding to treat the American populous like children and not presenting the truth to adults caused some politicalization.

[blueschica]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

 

There are always one off/abberent/non reproducible results in science. Ask the guys who were going to solve the energy crisis with cold fusion at the University of Utah. You have to go with the preponderance of scientific evidence in a situation.

[Rick N. Backer]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

 

There are always one off/abberent/non reproducible results in science. Ask the guys who were going to solve the energy crisis with cold fusion at the University of Utah. You have to go with the preponderance of scientific evidence in a situation.

 

I'm not sure I agree with you about aberrations and science, since the ability to repeat a process is one of the canons of the scientific method. If it can't be reproduced it's not accepted science. But asked to choose between the CDC and the teacher's union on an issue of science, I have to give the nod to the CDC.

[That One Guy]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

Exhausted by what? Any level of dissent, that risks you having to reconsider your entrenched preconceived notions on any level? :facepalm:

[blueschica]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

 

There are always one off/abberent/non reproducible results in science. Ask the guys who were going to solve the energy crisis with cold fusion at the University of Utah. You have to go with the preponderance of scientific evidence in a situation.

 

I'm not sure I agree with you about aberrations and science, since the ability to repeat a process is one of the canons of the scientific method. If it can't be reproduced it's not accepted science. But asked to choose between the CDC and the teacher's union on an issue of science, I have to give the nod to the CDC.

 

Yes, I think they are trying to do a good job with everything. So much of the confusion seems to be the part that it's a new virus no one has dealt with before and it seems to be such a stinky, tricky virus. I'm really glad they could come up with a vaccine for it.

Edited March 29, 2021 by blueschica

[Rick N. Backer]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

 

There are always one off/abberent/non reproducible results in science. Ask the guys who were going to solve the energy crisis with cold fusion at the University of Utah. You have to go with the preponderance of scientific evidence in a situation.

 

I'm not sure I agree with you about aberrations and science, since the ability to repeat a process is one of the canons of the scientific method. If it can't be reproduced it's not accepted science. But asked to choose between the CDC and the teacher's union on an issue of science, I have to give the nod to the CDC.

 

Yes, I think they are trying to do a good job with everything. So much of the confusion seems to be the part that it's a new virus no one has dealt with before and it seems to be such a stinky, tricky virus. I'm really glad they could come up with a vaccine for it.

 

I love podcasts of all kinds. Over the last 6 months or so, many to which I subscribe have had different doctors on to talk about the vaccines. Routinely, doctors say it's nothing less than miraculous that this happened in the time frame it has.

[driventotheedge]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

Exhausted by what? Any level of dissent, that risks you having to reconsider your entrenched preconceived notions on any level? :facepalm:

Exhausted by posts that

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

Exhausted by what? Any level of dissent, that risks you having to reconsider your entrenched preconceived notions on any level? :facepalm:

No just levels of stupidity unseen since the last pandemic

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

But if there is I truly hope our country is smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it like happened with this one and the last one.

 

The problem is, being, "smart enough to listen to the science and follow the recommendations given rather than politicize it," means different things to different people. For example, current CDC Director Dr. Walensky, a resident of Newton, MA, was asked by her city last summer, when she was a private citizen, what could be done to reopen the schools safely, and she told them the schools could be reopened, and that social distancing of 3 ft. was enough to guarantee the safety of both students and teachers. The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, however, recently said she's, "not convinced," the CDC is right. Is she following the science?

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-221633140.html

 

https://www.national...ndi-weingarten/

You know, frankly I'm sorry I said a fukking word and even posted this. Admin please remove. So fukking exhausted by all of this.............

Exhausted by what? Any level of dissent, that risks you having to reconsider your entrenched preconceived notions on any level? :facepalm:

He who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it.

It has nothing to do with preconceived notions and all to do with the stupidity I've seen not only in this country but in many places around the world e.g. Brazil. I found it utterly fascinating that as a country we did many of the same things 100 years ago which I had no idea was the case. I find it sad that we seemingly learned little or nothing from that experience. Your response says more about you than you might even realize.

[goose]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

There were two others, one in 1957 and another in 1968. They don't get much press.

[goose]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

There were two others, one in 1957 and another in 1968. They don't get much press.

1957: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1957-1958-pandemic.html%23:~:text%3DIt%2520was%2520first%2520reported%2520in,116%252C000%2520in%2520the%2520United%2520States.&ved=2ahUKEwjrtY7LjNnvAhXSjp4KHf7EAUYQFjACegQIAxAF&usg=AOvVaw3HCtuy95OZVh-6as7ZAJIe

 

"It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States."

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html%23:~:text%3DIt%2520was%2520first%2520noted%2520in,a%2520seasonal%2520influenza%2520A%2520virus.&ved=2ahUKEwiwz9z1jNnvAhXHvZ4KHSGJA6oQFjABegQIAxAF&usg=AOvVaw10bd7HgqNWMNcOIIuzI1Cl

 

"It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus."

 

Sound familiar?

[laughedatbytime]

I would've preferred that the Vancouver Canucks win another Stanley Cup in the 21st century, which they haven't done since 1915.

 

It appears that there's a trend where major pandemics occur every 100 years.

 

I hope there isn't another one of this magnitude in the next 100 years.

There were two others, one in 1957 and another in 1968. They don't get much press.

1957: https://www.google.c...5OZVh-6as7ZAJIe

 

"It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States."

 

 

https://www.google.c...qNWMNcOIIuzI1Cl

 

"It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus."

 

Sound familiar?

This is Random Samples, where the attitude regarding perspective was best summed up by David St.Hubbins at Graceland.

Edited April 1, 2021 by laughedatbytime