Who has the virus?? Tell us when you get it.

[Syrinx]

I am good friends with a very politically connected person - former mayor of a big city.

 

Hey, how is Rob Ford these days? ;)

Ha ha! Very good. Rob is not doing very well at all.

[treeduck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_vqtfv1mXs

[invisible airwave]

Good thing we finally got that album last year. Sorry to hear about his lungs.

 

https://www.spin.com/2020/10/maynard-james-keenan-had-covid-19/

[driventotheedge]

Good thing we finally got that album last year. Sorry to hear about his lungs.

 

https://www.spin.com...n-had-covid-19/

So has he therefore "let it run (his) life"?

[invisible airwave]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-longer-risk-spreading-virus-doctor/story?id=73544866

 

 

Defend hm or not, he fits all high risk categories. I have a huge HW sign in La La Land to sell you nearby if you believe that.

[goose]

https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=73544866

 

 

Defend hm or not, he fits all high risk categories. I have a huge HW sign in La La Land to sell you nearby if you believe that.

"...sequential testing throughout his illness has demonstrated decreasing viral loads that correlate with increasing cycle threshold times, as well as decreasing and now undetectable subgenomic mRNA..."

 

From the CDC:

 

You can be around others after:

• 10 days since symptoms first appeared and
  
• 24 hours with no fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
  
• Other symptoms of COVID-19 are improving*
  

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html

 

Shouldn't we trust the science?

[treeduck]

How England breaks down in new COVID tiers

 

TIER THREE - VERY HIGH RISK

 

Liverpool City Region

 

Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton

 

TIER TWO - HIGH RISK

 

Cheshire

 

Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East

 

Greater Manchester

 

Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham,

 

Warrington

 

Derbyshire

 

High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John's - Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North

 

Lancashire

 

Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley

 

West Yorkshire

 

Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield South

 

Yorkshire

 

Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield

 

North East

 

Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

 

Tees Valley

 

Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool

 

West Midlands

 

Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall

 

Leicester

 

Leicester, Oadby and Wigston

 

Nottingham

 

Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City

 

TIER ONE - MEDIUM RISK

 

Rest of England

[J2112YYZ]

How England breaks down in new COVID tiers

 

TIER THREE - VERY HIGH RISK

 

Liverpool City Region

 

Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton

 

TIER TWO - HIGH RISK

 

Cheshire

 

Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East

 

Greater Manchester

 

Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham,

 

Warrington

 

Derbyshire

 

High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John's - Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North

 

Lancashire

 

Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley

 

West Yorkshire

 

Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield South

 

Yorkshire

 

Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield

 

North East

 

Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

 

Tees Valley

 

Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool

 

West Midlands

 

Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall

 

Leicester

 

Leicester, Oadby and Wigston

 

Nottingham

 

Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City

 

TIER ONE - MEDIUM RISK

 

Rest of England

 

Are they basing this on the population density of the areas or how much the disease has been spreading through those regions?

[treeduck]

How England breaks down in new COVID tiers

 

TIER THREE - VERY HIGH RISK

 

Liverpool City Region

 

Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton

 

TIER TWO - HIGH RISK

 

Cheshire

 

Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East

 

Greater Manchester

 

Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham,

 

Warrington

 

Derbyshire

 

High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John's - Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North

 

Lancashire

 

Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley

 

West Yorkshire

 

Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield South

 

Yorkshire

 

Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield

 

North East

 

Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

 

Tees Valley

 

Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool

 

West Midlands

 

Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall

 

Leicester

 

Leicester, Oadby and Wigston

 

Nottingham

 

Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City

 

TIER ONE - MEDIUM RISK

 

Rest of England

 

Are they basing this on the population density of the areas or how much the disease has been spreading through those regions?

I think it's based on current number of infections per 1000 of population.

[J2112YYZ]

How England breaks down in new COVID tiers

 

TIER THREE - VERY HIGH RISK

 

Liverpool City Region

 

Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton

 

TIER TWO - HIGH RISK

 

Cheshire

 

Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East

 

Greater Manchester

 

Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham,

 

Warrington

 

Derbyshire

 

High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John's - Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North

 

Lancashire

 

Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley

 

West Yorkshire

 

Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield South

 

Yorkshire

 

Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield

 

North East

 

Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

 

Tees Valley

 

Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool

 

West Midlands

 

Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall

 

Leicester

 

Leicester, Oadby and Wigston

 

Nottingham

 

Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City

 

TIER ONE - MEDIUM RISK

 

Rest of England

 

Are they basing this on the population density of the areas or how much the disease has been spreading through those regions?

I think it's based on current number of infections per 1000 of population.

 

So, how bad is it in your area? Is the media hyping it up a little too much or are they correct based on what you have seen?

[treeduck]

How England breaks down in new COVID tiers

 

TIER THREE - VERY HIGH RISK

 

Liverpool City Region

 

Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton

 

TIER TWO - HIGH RISK

 

Cheshire

 

Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East

 

Greater Manchester

 

Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham,

 

Warrington

 

Derbyshire

 

High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John's - Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North

 

Lancashire

 

Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley

 

West Yorkshire

 

Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield South

 

Yorkshire

 

Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield

 

North East

 

Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

 

Tees Valley

 

Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool

 

West Midlands

 

Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall

 

Leicester

 

Leicester, Oadby and Wigston

 

Nottingham

 

Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City

 

TIER ONE - MEDIUM RISK

 

Rest of England

 

Are they basing this on the population density of the areas or how much the disease has been spreading through those regions?

I think it's based on current number of infections per 1000 of population.

 

So, how bad is it in your area? Is the media hyping it up a little too much or are they correct based on what you have seen?

Yeah they definitely are, I can't see how it's all that bad around here.

[invisible airwave]

 

He believes he's doing the election equivalent of flopping to make a profit like in The Producers. He obviously doesn't know how it ends. It ain't gonna be springtime for him.

Edited October 20, 2020 by invisible airwave

[_hi_water._]

 

He believes he's doing the election equivalent of flopping to make a profit like in The Producers. He obviously doesn't know how it ends. It ain't gonna be springtime for him.

:rfl:

 

I find this quite entertaining tbh

[treeduck]

A quick update...

 

Covid-19 has been moving up the charts, it's now overtaken Japanese Smallpox, Cholera 6, Hong Kong Flu, Asian Flu and Russian Flu. They were all on 1 million or 1.1 million. It's got a bit of way to catch the 17th Century plagues though which is on 3 million.

 

[JohnnyBlaze]

http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/109758-face-masks/

[invisible airwave]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34537353/idaho-lieutenant-governor-gun-bible-rally/

 

Gun in one hand, Bible in another. If this were another country and it wasn't a white person, she'd be clutching her "rules for thee but not for me" pearls. Perfect example of that Peter Griffin terrorist color chart meme.

[JohnnyBlaze]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34537353/idaho-lieutenant-governor-gun-bible-rally/

 

Gun in one hand, Bible in another. If this were another country and it wasn't a white person, she'd be clutching her "rules for thee but not for me" pearls. Perfect example of that Peter Griffin terrorist color chart meme.

 

I guess you’ve never been to Idaho. Par for the course. :P

[Rush Didact]

Every year, tens of thousands die from influenza in this country.

 

Why haven't we had quarantines, shutdowns and hoarding all these past years?? WHY NOT??!!

 

Why haven't we had 24/7 coverage of the influenza pandemic every year??!! WHY NOT??!!

 

This post didn't age well.

[grep]

Yeah, so....... How are we doing?

 

See you on January 1. We are at what, 225K dead today? More or less. See you at 400K on January 1, naysayers.

 

Hope I'm wrong. Wasn't in May, probably am not wrong now.

[grep]

Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually 1 or less. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen.

 

 

We're up to 90,000 dead from COVID/related. In the US, in less than 3 months.

 

Some would say that number is inflated. OK. let's roll with that.

 

How inflated?

 

Let's try to assign some percentages or values to the 'inflation categories' then come back to a 'real' COVID number.

 

What % of the number is outright bullshit? Sources?

What % of the number is medicare 'bonus' inflation? Sources?

What % of the number are retroactive and thus suspect? Sources?

Other categories of inaccuracy?

Type. %, Hard soruce.

Type. %, Hard soruce.

 

When we have that we can then talk about 90K being an inaccurate number.

 

I agree that the number might be inaccurate it plausable. My question is why and by how much. I certainly wouldn't want to minimize the real number of dead with hersay and gut feelings. With the motivation of slanting that number to make it appear that the virus isn't as impactful as it really is. So if we're going to say that the number isn't real, why isn't it real?

 

Thank God people like you can't impose your will against people like me, at least not in my country.

 

While you are sitting in your bunker running the numbers, I'll be out to dinner with my wife tonight for the first time in 10 weeks :) Go live your life in fear. I'll be enjoying my life and feeling sorry for people like you.

 

By the way, how are the Wisconsin numbers since they opened up? Must be tens of thousands new cases daily by now with people dying in the streets right? And in Georgia, Florida, etc right? Must be like the apocalypse in those states by now. At what point do you admit that the lock down and "stay at home" orders and closure of business and all this horseshit isn't doing what you claim?

 

:cheers:

 

So how are we doing? 225K dead in this country alone.

 

Are we good yet? Turning the corner? I was full of shit? How does this look from your perspective these days with all those people who are no longer here? 225K lives extinguished.

 

1) I f***ing said it was going to go this way.

2) we're not done yet. see ya'll at 400K by the end of the year.

3) If people like me could have imposed their will on this topic, then it would never have gotten this bad.

4) Looking forward to the snarky retort. I'll follow up on January 1 to say that it's also wrong. Hope eveyrone stays safe.

5) Yeah, I'll be here in a few years, because I'm not a dumfuck, I follow the science, and I believe in laying low so as to live for another day. Short term problems don't have to be long term issues.

Edited November 1, 2020 by grep

[RushRevisited]

Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually 1 or less. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen.

 

 

We're up to 90,000 dead from COVID/related. In the US, in less than 3 months.

 

Some would say that number is inflated. OK. let's roll with that.

 

How inflated?

 

Let's try to assign some percentages or values to the 'inflation categories' then come back to a 'real' COVID number.

 

What % of the number is outright bullshit? Sources?

What % of the number is medicare 'bonus' inflation? Sources?

What % of the number are retroactive and thus suspect? Sources?

Other categories of inaccuracy?

Type. %, Hard soruce.

Type. %, Hard soruce.

 

When we have that we can then talk about 90K being an inaccurate number.

 

I agree that the number might be inaccurate it plausable. My question is why and by how much. I certainly wouldn't want to minimize the real number of dead with hersay and gut feelings. With the motivation of slanting that number to make it appear that the virus isn't as impactful as it really is. So if we're going to say that the number isn't real, why isn't it real?

 

Thank God people like you can't impose your will against people like me, at least not in my country.

 

While you are sitting in your bunker running the numbers, I'll be out to dinner with my wife tonight for the first time in 10 weeks :) Go live your life in fear. I'll be enjoying my life and feeling sorry for people like you.

 

By the way, how are the Wisconsin numbers since they opened up? Must be tens of thousands new cases daily by now with people dying in the streets right? And in Georgia, Florida, etc right? Must be like the apocalypse in those states by now. At what point do you admit that the lock down and "stay at home" orders and closure of business and all this horseshit isn't doing what you claim?

 

:cheers:

 

So how are we doing? 225K dead in this country alone.

 

Are we good yet? Turning the corner? I was full of shit? How does this look from your perspective these days with all those people who are no longer here? 225K lives extinguished.

 

1) I f***ing said it was going to go this way.

2) we're not done yet. see ya'll at 400K by the end of the year.

3) If people like me could have imposed their will on this topic, then it would never have gotten this bad.

4) Looking forward to the snarky retort. I'll follow up on January 1 to say that it's also wrong. Hope eveyrone stays safe.

5) Yeah, I'll be here in a few years, because I'm not a dumfuck, I follow the science, and I believe in laying low so as to live for another day. Short term problems don't have to be long term issues.

 

 

The numbers are absolutely inflated. Being the average death age is as high as it is and the CDC has confirmed that 94% of all deaths in the US had moderate or serious underlying conditions, how many of these 225,000 people would be dead anyway in 8 months?

 

Are you as concerned about heart disease taking 800,000 people a year? Do you think we should mandate healthy food for all so we don't have those deaths?

 

As I have said before, you want to be locked down and hide in your home? Go for it, but don't impose that will on me - I will not be locked down for this bullshit. Period.

 

Your #5 - yes, friend you are a dumb f**k. An absolute dumb f**k. Go lock yourself down for the next 20 years. Please.

[JohnnyBlaze]

So much love in this thread. And it’s a great time for it too.

 

:sarcastic:

[RushRevisited]

Amazing that the more we test the more positive cases there are. Imagine that:

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states

 

Yet the number of daily deaths remain flat or down, which means that the death rate continues to go down significantly.

 

[driventotheedge]

https://www.esquire....un-bible-rally/

 

Gun in one hand, Bible in another. If this were another country and it wasn't a white person, she'd be clutching her "rules for thee but not for me" pearls. Perfect example of that Peter Griffin terrorist color chart meme.

 

I guess you’ve never been to Idaho. Par for the course. :P

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[Rush Didact]

The numbers are absolutely inflated. Being the average death age is as high as it is and the CDC has confirmed that 94% of all deaths in the US had moderate or serious underlying conditions, how many of these 225,000 people would be dead anyway in 8 months?

 

Are you as concerned about heart disease taking 800,000 people a year? Do you think we should mandate healthy food for all so we don't have those deaths?

 

As I have said before, you want to be locked down and hide in your home? Go for it, but don't impose that will on me - I will not be locked down for this bullshit. Period.

 

Your #5 - yes, friend you are a dumb f**k. An absolute dumb f**k. Go lock yourself down for the next 20 years. Please.

 

Here's the thing all you "I WON'T LIVE IN FEAR" types don't seem to understand: there are 225,000 dead Americans WITH the lockdowns and safety precautions that have been put in place. Now, logic says that without those measures, the death toll would be higher, and I trust even you won't disagree with that. You can argue all you want about HOW much higher, but it's a simple, incontrovertible fact that the number of dead would be greater than it is right now had we done nothing.

 

So when you make fun of everyone for overreacting, keep in mind that the entire human race (minus a significant subset of morons) has been doing everything it can to stop this virus for the past eight months, and there are still more than a million dead. Had we done nothing to stop it, it would be tens of millions. Or hundreds of millions.

 

And yes, most of the deaths have been people with pre-existing conditions. Big f***ing deal. Are they not also human beings? My best friend is diabetic, which counts as a pre-existing condition. Are you telling me that he doesn't deserve to live and should just be sacrificed so you can go have a fancy dinner?

 

You're also forgetting that there's a lot we don't know about this virus and the disease it causes. There are thousands of people who didn't die but instead have been sick for months with debilitating symptoms. Doctors still have no explanation for why. There are people with permanent lung damage. Permanent heart damage. The fact is, scientifically speaking, we're only beginning to learn about this virus, and we really have no idea what the long-term consequences of it are.

 

You can say I'm living in fear if you want, but I say you're a selfish, ignorant prick.