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If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

I don't think history is going to be particularly kind to this post.

 

It wasn't, you're right. Mostly because all my optimism has been proven wrong by the numbers that stacked up since then. I should've stayed scared when I first heard about it ripping through China in late January, might've made a point of actually saying goodbye to more classmates I still won't be seeing again for months, and some indefinitely. I haven't lost anyone to the virus and I don't know anyone personally who's got it, but I'm sure as heck that if we'd all stayed at our normal lives and normal paces those numbers wouldn't begin to compare to what the flu does every year....they'd be much much worse...I still can't imagine what China's real numbers must look like...

 

Nobody has been completely right about everything. Many have been wrong about many things.

 

My sister-in-law and a couple of cousins are nurses in Florida and Norway and have been treating covid-19 patients. So the threat has been pretty close to me personally. As they're in the thick of it, hearing their points of view and their work experiences weigh a lot more than many news broadcasts, folks' conspiracy theories, and politicians' pissings.

 

And today marks the end of my telework as tonight the State of Emergency for Osaka prefecture is supposed to be made official. Tomorrow's trains to work should be well packed (think literal 'sardine can'), and yeah I'm not too confident that it's safe...because in almost all likelihood, it's not.

 

I can't say that I'm scared or have been at any point. 'Numb' is probably a better word.

 

http://youtu.be/gRfgpuPNMPk

 

Take it easy, EP.

 

:blaze:

 

I prefer "Grace Under Pressure."

 

Yes! I know lots of stuff too on my end.

 

My test came from a reliable lab, but still, it could all be a horror show.

 

There are many strains and shite.

 

Who knows??????

 

All I know is that I will respect protocol and take care of myself. I'm glad I didn't have Covid in Feb. But if that test is wrong and I did, well I survived and I have been healthy as a horse ever since!

 

So fuckk it.

 

One day at a time.

 

Casinos are opening up here this month.

 

I'm going to meet me woman hopefully next month.

 

Napa is opening restaurants.

 

RUSH ON!!!!

Have you got the results yet Earl?

 

Pat!!

 

I do apologize! I thought I posted my results here last night.

 

I got my results back from Labcorp yesterday.

 

You were right all along Pat. Capt Tripps! That's me!

 

I really thought I had Covid back in early Feb.

it was just a really bad flu. I wanted to die Pat.

I am sure many Rushhead Haters wish I was dead.

I'm still six feet up. Not down mutherfuckkers.

 

Pat!

 

I tested negative for the Covid antibodies.

 

So I was worried about nothing.

 

Cheers Mate!

Mind you the virus isn't always present in your nose or throat, as long as it's attached to the ACE2 enzyme it could be there usually in the lungs. So it could be a false negative, but hopefully not.

 

Antibodies are in the blood - he was tested for antibodies, not the virus itself.

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Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on).

 

The flu does not have an r0 of 1. an r0 of 1 would mean that statistically there is no increase in cases - as one recovers one gets it.

 

The flu is actually around 1.3 on average (the r0 of any virus changes as time goes on - it is a moving target as more become immune) and the WHO (which has overblown everything to date), says that Covid 19 is between 1.4 and 2.5. SARS was stated at points to be 2.0. https://www.worldome...onavirus/#repro

 

To put that in perspective, the measles is 12-18. https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/28757186/

 

Where do you get "as high as 5.6"? Never seen that number, as even the WHO initially had it at 1.5 - 3.5. I am sure there is some publication out there that claims such a high r0, as there seems to be many publications coming out of the woodwork with scary numbers and information that do not end up coming to fruition, but the CDC and WHO does not say 5.6.

 

You say " For the most part flu isn't communacable [sic] until symptoms appear in the carrier." This is quite incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/...ease/spread.htm

 

Click the link and educate yourself on the flu. It is absolutely contagious before symptoms show up:

 

Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.

 

Sound familiar? Yes, the flu is transmitted before symptoms, and yes people are asymptomatic with the flu and still pass it on (sound familiar?)

 

Now, let's go back to your r0 value of 5.6, I'll even say just use your 4.0 if you want, although that is not a valid number, but rather one you pulled from the old top range estimates to instill more fear in people here, have you done the math on that 4.0 number? The mean incubation period is 4.5 days according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/...oV-2 infection.

 

So have you done the math on you r0=4.0 number based on the incubation period? Let's start at KNOWN cases of 200,000 on April 1st - I will even give you the benefit of the doubt HUGELY in saying the 200,000 cases in the US represents not just cases confirmed, but ALL cases (it doesn't, so this is a huge gift to you on this demonstration). based on that info, using your r0 = 4.0 and incubation period 4.5 days average, how many people in the US should have it now?

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

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Yeah Andy Summers is the old man of rock. Only Paul and Ringo are older, apart from jazz guys, old blues guys and 50's rock n rollers. Andy is older than Pete Townshend, Roger Daltrey, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Ray Davies, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton. Even Hank Marvin and John McLaughlin are only 1 year older and Hank's been a recording artist since 1958!

 

Charlie Watts is older than all of them, he'll be 79 in two weeks.

Yes but Charlie has been a pro musician since 1959! Where was Andy Summers in 1959? Cleaning windows? Summers wasn't well known until 1979!

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If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

I don't think history is going to be particularly kind to this post.

 

It wasn't, you're right. Mostly because all my optimism has been proven wrong by the numbers that stacked up since then. I should've stayed scared when I first heard about it ripping through China in late January, might've made a point of actually saying goodbye to more classmates I still won't be seeing again for months, and some indefinitely. I haven't lost anyone to the virus and I don't know anyone personally who's got it, but I'm sure as heck that if we'd all stayed at our normal lives and normal paces those numbers wouldn't begin to compare to what the flu does every year....they'd be much much worse...I still can't imagine what China's real numbers must look like...

 

Nobody has been completely right about everything. Many have been wrong about many things.

 

My sister-in-law and a couple of cousins are nurses in Florida and Norway and have been treating covid-19 patients. So the threat has been pretty close to me personally. As they're in the thick of it, hearing their points of view and their work experiences weigh a lot more than many news broadcasts, folks' conspiracy theories, and politicians' pissings.

 

And today marks the end of my telework as tonight the State of Emergency for Osaka prefecture is supposed to be made official. Tomorrow's trains to work should be well packed (think literal 'sardine can'), and yeah I'm not too confident that it's safe...because in almost all likelihood, it's not.

 

I can't say that I'm scared or have been at any point. 'Numb' is probably a better word.

 

http://youtu.be/gRfgpuPNMPk

 

Take it easy, EP.

 

:blaze:

 

I prefer "Grace Under Pressure."

 

Yes! I know lots of stuff too on my end.

 

My test came from a reliable lab, but still, it could all be a horror show.

 

There are many strains and shite.

 

Who knows??????

 

All I know is that I will respect protocol and take care of myself. I'm glad I didn't have Covid in Feb. But if that test is wrong and I did, well I survived and I have been healthy as a horse ever since!

 

So fuckk it.

 

One day at a time.

 

Casinos are opening up here this month.

 

I'm going to meet me woman hopefully next month.

 

Napa is opening restaurants.

 

RUSH ON!!!!

Have you got the results yet Earl?

 

Pat!!

 

I do apologize! I thought I posted my results here last night.

 

I got my results back from Labcorp yesterday.

 

You were right all along Pat. Capt Tripps! That's me!

 

I really thought I had Covid back in early Feb.

it was just a really bad flu. I wanted to die Pat.

I am sure many Rushhead Haters wish I was dead.

I'm still six feet up. Not down mutherfuckkers.

 

Pat!

 

I tested negative for the Covid antibodies.

 

So I was worried about nothing.

 

Cheers Mate!

Mind you the virus isn't always present in your nose or throat, as long as it's attached to the ACE2 enzyme it could be there usually in the lungs. So it could be a false negative, but hopefully not.

 

Antibodies are in the blood - he was tested for antibodies, not the virus itself.

 

Correct!

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

JB!!! I love this game!!!! So fun!!! DUDE!!! I'm 1-1. I got "Ghost In The Machine!"

 

This is a tough one!

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

JB!!! I love this game!!!! So fun!!! DUDE!!! I'm 1-1. I got "Ghost In The Machine!"

 

This is a tough one dude.

 

Shit, that’s right you did. 1-1 it is.

 

This ones much harder so you can have 3 guesses with it. If 1 of them is right then you get the “W”

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

Did I know this young drummer on here?

 

Well since I was ranting on about Covid and the Flu and Death.

 

For some reason I am thinking "Changes" by David Bowie.

 

It can't be a Rush tune.

 

I'm listening to Queensryche right now....

 

"Empire."

 

 

Wait!

 

I'm on it...

 

"Resistance" Queensryche.

 

"Prophecy" Queensryche.

 

Well it's not "Spreading The Disease." Incredible drumming by Scott.

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

JB!!! I love this game!!!! So fun!!! DUDE!!! I'm 1-1. I got "Ghost In The Machine!"

 

This is a tough one dude.

 

Shit, that’s right you did. 1-1 it is.

 

This ones much harder so you can have 3 guesses with it. If 1 of them is right then you get the “W”

 

Hahaha! I'm very competitive. You know this! LOL!

 

This one is tough.

 

So I can't get a band name or the first letter out of you.

 

It's ok. I'm batting .500 at this point.

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

I saw Cheap Trick in February 1986, they were supporting Motley Crue on the Theatre of Pain tour and they blew Crue offstage! Robin Zander joined them for a duet in the middle of the set and he really showed up Vince Meal! :oops: :LOL:

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

Did I know this young drummer on here?

 

Well since I was ranting on about Covid and the Flu and Death.

 

For some reason I am thinking "Changes" by David Bowie.

 

It can't be a Rush tune.

 

I'm listening to Queensryche right now....

 

"Empire."

 

 

Wait!

 

I'm on it...

 

"Resistance" Queensryche.

 

"Prophecy" Queensryche.

 

Well it's not "Spreading The Disease." Incredible drumming by Scott.

 

Btw, you did know that young drummer and “talked” to each other many times. I forgot her sn as she changed it a few times. One of the names was Surrendersomething. She was maybe 15 or so and was a big fan of Bun E. Carlos.

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

I saw Cheap Trick in February 1986, they were supporting Motley Crue on the Theatre of Pain tour and they blew Crue offstage! Robin Zander joined them for a duet in the middle of the set and he really showed up Vince Meal! :oops: :LOL:

 

I saw Cheap Trick just a few years ago out here at some massive outdoor festival and they still sounded pretty damn good! They didn’t even have them in the main stage, and the mostly young crowd didn’t seem to know too much about them so I was able to get pretty close.

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

 

Okay, let’s see if you can make your record 2-2 with this next one. I’ll make it easier though it’s not a gimme.

 

So this is a Van Halen tune which really fits into this shitdemic topic. What is it?

Don’t think too much.

 

Bonus hint: Given what you’ve said in this thread, you might have been saying these exact words not too long ago.

 

 

 

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Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on).

 

The flu does not have an r0 of 1. an r0 of 1 would mean that statistically there is no increase in cases - as one recovers one gets it.

 

The flu is actually around 1.3 on average (the r0 of any virus changes as time goes on - it is a moving target as more become immune) and the WHO (which has overblown everything to date), says that Covid 19 is between 1.4 and 2.5. SARS was stated at points to be 2.0. https://www.worldome...onavirus/#repro

 

To put that in perspective, the measles is 12-18. https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/28757186/

 

Where do you get "as high as 5.6"? Never seen that number, as even the WHO initially had it at 1.5 - 3.5. I am sure there is some publication out there that claims such a high r0, as there seems to be many publications coming out of the woodwork with scary numbers and information that do not end up coming to fruition, but the CDC and WHO does not say 5.6.

 

You say " For the most part flu isn't communacable [sic] until symptoms appear in the carrier." This is quite incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/...ease/spread.htm

 

Click the link and educate yourself on the flu. It is absolutely contagious before symptoms show up:

 

Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.

 

Sound familiar? Yes, the flu is transmitted before symptoms, and yes people are asymptomatic with the flu and still pass it on (sound familiar?)

 

Now, let's go back to your r0 value of 5.6, I'll even say just use your 4.0 if you want, although that is not a valid number, but rather one you pulled from the old top range estimates to instill more fear in people here, have you done the math on that 4.0 number? The mean incubation period is 4.5 days according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/...oV-2 infection.

 

So have you done the math on you r0=4.0 number based on the incubation period? Let's start at KNOWN cases of 200,000 on April 1st - I will even give you the benefit of the doubt HUGELY in saying the 200,000 cases in the US represents not just cases confirmed, but ALL cases (it doesn't, so this is a huge gift to you on this demonstration). based on that info, using your r0 = 4.0 and incubation period 4.5 days average, how many people in the US should have it now?

 

I'll tell you what. You won the argument.

 

Have fun out there.

 

Now I'm going to go 'hide in my closet'. Avoid crowds - yeah, lay low for a while.

 

Fortunately the choices I've made in my life for the last 40 years have put me in a position where I can ride this out. Some short term sacrifice for the greater good, as well as my own.

 

See ya'll in 600 days. By then this little argument won't matter.

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Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on).

 

The flu does not have an r0 of 1. an r0 of 1 would mean that statistically there is no increase in cases - as one recovers one gets it.

 

The flu is actually around 1.3 on average (the r0 of any virus changes as time goes on - it is a moving target as more become immune) and the WHO (which has overblown everything to date), says that Covid 19 is between 1.4 and 2.5. SARS was stated at points to be 2.0. https://www.worldome...onavirus/#repro

 

To put that in perspective, the measles is 12-18. https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/28757186/

 

Where do you get "as high as 5.6"? Never seen that number, as even the WHO initially had it at 1.5 - 3.5. I am sure there is some publication out there that claims such a high r0, as there seems to be many publications coming out of the woodwork with scary numbers and information that do not end up coming to fruition, but the CDC and WHO does not say 5.6.

 

You say " For the most part flu isn't communacable [sic] until symptoms appear in the carrier." This is quite incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/...ease/spread.htm

 

Click the link and educate yourself on the flu. It is absolutely contagious before symptoms show up:

 

Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.

 

Sound familiar? Yes, the flu is transmitted before symptoms, and yes people are asymptomatic with the flu and still pass it on (sound familiar?)

 

Now, let's go back to your r0 value of 5.6, I'll even say just use your 4.0 if you want, although that is not a valid number, but rather one you pulled from the old top range estimates to instill more fear in people here, have you done the math on that 4.0 number? The mean incubation period is 4.5 days according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/...oV-2 infection.

 

So have you done the math on you r0=4.0 number based on the incubation period? Let's start at KNOWN cases of 200,000 on April 1st - I will even give you the benefit of the doubt HUGELY in saying the 200,000 cases in the US represents not just cases confirmed, but ALL cases (it doesn't, so this is a huge gift to you on this demonstration). based on that info, using your r0 = 4.0 and incubation period 4.5 days average, how many people in the US should have it now?

 

I'll tell you what. You won the argument.

 

Have fun out there.

 

Now I'm going to go 'hide in my closet'. Avoid crowds - yeah, lay low for a while.

 

Fortunately the choices I've made in my life for the last 40 years have put me in a position where I can ride this out. Some short term sacrifice for the greater good, as well as my own.

 

See ya'll in 600 days. By then this little argument won't matter.

Why? What happens in 600 days?

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

I saw Cheap Trick in February 1986, they were supporting Motley Crue on the Theatre of Pain tour and they blew Crue offstage! Robin Zander joined them for a duet in the middle of the set and he really showed up Vince Meal! :oops: :LOL:

 

 

Hahahahahaha!!! "Vince Meal." Classic. Yeah, Cheap Trick is better live than in the studio. Sorry Pat, not my cup o tea. Bun E. Carlos does nothing for me. Anyone can play those chops.

I remember someone on here ripped Herman Rarebell apart for being a really bad drummer. I would take Herman Ze German over Bun E. Carlos any day.

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Whatever! I'm 52 and very healthy! I thought for sure I had Covid 19 in early February. It wasn't. Just a fuckking super flu. I rarely get that sick. I wanted to die.

So again! The world is saddened by all the human loss with this horrific virus!! It's on our news channels 24/7!!!!

 

So where is the thread about the 200000 plus a year who pass away from the FLU!!!!!?????????

Where is the daily news story about humans dying daily from the common flu???????????????

 

Here's what I say to all of that...

 

That's right, Earl: It's time for you to guess the video yet again! I think you're 0-2 at the moment (NOT guessing Ghost in the Machine and Don't Stand So Close to Me).

 

Hints:

 

1) This isn't a Police tune.

2) It's a one word song title.

3) It's from the band which was a favorite of a former very young TRF drummer.

4) The song's title is the best advice (in one word) I can give when you're torturing yourself with trying to find the answer to this complicated, layered situation. I'm not saying you should DO this literally. I'm saying...well, that's enough from the hint department.

 

Guess!

 

 

 

 

Did I know this young drummer on here?

 

Well since I was ranting on about Covid and the Flu and Death.

 

For some reason I am thinking "Changes" by David Bowie.

 

It can't be a Rush tune.

 

I'm listening to Queensryche right now....

 

"Empire."

 

 

Wait!

 

I'm on it...

 

"Resistance" Queensryche.

 

"Prophecy" Queensryche.

 

Well it's not "Spreading The Disease." Incredible drumming by Scott.

 

Btw, you did know that young drummer and “talked” to each other many times. I forgot her sn as she changed it a few times. One of the names was Surrendersomething. She was maybe 15 or so and was a big fan of Bun E. Carlos.

 

Oh right! I do remember her, sorry I can't remember her original sn, and I just ripped Bun E. Carlos. Whoops!

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

 

Okay, let’s see if you can make your record 2-2 with this next one. I’ll make it easier though it’s not a gimme.

 

So this is a Van Halen tune which really fits into this shitdemic topic. What is it?

Don’t think too much.

 

Bonus hint: Given what you’ve said in this thread, you might have been saying these exact words not too long ago.

 

 

 

 

Hahaha! Right off the top of my head I want to say "Somebody Get Me A Doctor." I remember getting an email from David Lee Roth (generic email to all his fans) about the cancelling of his Vegas stint. He said... "Hey... somebody get me a doctor! Kidding! Take your whiskey home! Not kidding!"

 

Thought that was funny.......

 

 

"Where Have All The Good Times Gone?"

 

 

"Intruder"

 

"The Full Bug"

 

 

"Judgement Day"

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Nope, I don't want to die from it. I also don't want to die in a car accident, but I drive every day and take that risk knowing 38,000 people die every single year and knowing that I am taking a risk on my own life as ell as my children in the car every time. I don't want to die of the flu when it goes around every year, but I still go out. Life is full of risks. That is the decision for me to make in everything I do. I don't want cancer so I CHOSE to stop smoking. No one made me. 647,000 Americans die from heart disease every year. Do I want the government to make fast food and fried food (or anything else the government deems "unsafe") illegal in the name of saving lives? Nope. I think I'll make the choice myself whether to eat like shit or not.

 

 

Well here is a really simple solution:

 

If YOU are scared to go out because of the virus, the You don't have to go out.

 

If Joe who owns Joe's Barber Shop wants to "take the risk" and risk exposing him self to Covid 19, then he can do so. His opening his barber shop doesn't affect you at all - because you are staying home, right?

 

Look at it this way - you should want things to open up while you hunker down because herd immunity will happen much quicker. Then when it's all over in a few years you can unseal your bunker and come out and have a beer with me in a bar without maintaining 6 feet distance. :cheers:

 

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months.

 

Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats?

 

It's real buddy.

 

And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments.

 

People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it.

 

And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

 

No shit it's real, buddy.

 

So is the flu.

 

Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself.

 

You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk".

 

Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you.

 

Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again.

 

Militant? Strong willed is more like it.

 

I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it.

 

When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that.

 

I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

 

Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice.

 

Let's talk about risk vs impact then.

 

One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure.

 

Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted.

 

The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains.

 

Which leads us to the COVID situation:

 

COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on).

 

The flu does not have an r0 of 1. an r0 of 1 would mean that statistically there is no increase in cases - as one recovers one gets it.

 

The flu is actually around 1.3 on average (the r0 of any virus changes as time goes on - it is a moving target as more become immune) and the WHO (which has overblown everything to date), says that Covid 19 is between 1.4 and 2.5. SARS was stated at points to be 2.0. https://www.worldome...onavirus/#repro

 

To put that in perspective, the measles is 12-18. https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/28757186/

 

Where do you get "as high as 5.6"? Never seen that number, as even the WHO initially had it at 1.5 - 3.5. I am sure there is some publication out there that claims such a high r0, as there seems to be many publications coming out of the woodwork with scary numbers and information that do not end up coming to fruition, but the CDC and WHO does not say 5.6.

 

You say " For the most part flu isn't communacable [sic] until symptoms appear in the carrier." This is quite incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/...ease/spread.htm

 

Click the link and educate yourself on the flu. It is absolutely contagious before symptoms show up:

 

Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.

 

Sound familiar? Yes, the flu is transmitted before symptoms, and yes people are asymptomatic with the flu and still pass it on (sound familiar?)

 

Now, let's go back to your r0 value of 5.6, I'll even say just use your 4.0 if you want, although that is not a valid number, but rather one you pulled from the old top range estimates to instill more fear in people here, have you done the math on that 4.0 number? The mean incubation period is 4.5 days according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/...oV-2 infection.

 

So have you done the math on you r0=4.0 number based on the incubation period? Let's start at KNOWN cases of 200,000 on April 1st - I will even give you the benefit of the doubt HUGELY in saying the 200,000 cases in the US represents not just cases confirmed, but ALL cases (it doesn't, so this is a huge gift to you on this demonstration). based on that info, using your r0 = 4.0 and incubation period 4.5 days average, how many people in the US should have it now?

 

I'll tell you what. You won the argument.

 

Have fun out there.

 

Now I'm going to go 'hide in my closet'. Avoid crowds - yeah, lay low for a while.

 

Fortunately the choices I've made in my life for the last 40 years have put me in a position where I can ride this out. Some short term sacrifice for the greater good, as well as my own.

 

See ya'll in 600 days. By then this little argument won't matter.

Why? What happens in 600 days?

 

I've read about this. I believe it's from CNN. Complete Nonsense Network. However, it could be true. They were saying that there will be no concerts or sporting events with fans until 2022.

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I'll tell you what. You won the argument.

 

Have fun out there.

 

Now I'm going to go 'hide in my closet'. Avoid crowds - yeah, lay low for a while.

 

Fortunately the choices I've made in my life for the last 40 years have put me in a position where I can ride this out. Some short term sacrifice for the greater good, as well as my own.

 

See ya'll in 600 days. By then this little argument won't matter.

Why? What happens in 600 days?

 

I've read about this. I believe it's from CNN. Complete Nonsense Network. However, it could be true. They were saying that there will be no concerts or sporting events with fans until 2022.

 

There was a public health doctor on our news talking about this the other day. I guess the theory is that the mass contagion of a virus won't stop until about 60% of the population of an area has been exposed and has the antibodies.Haven't had a chance to read how scientific that information is. Best estimates are that only about 4% of people in the US have had it so far.

 

He was saying the exposure comes about by having Covid, or by getting exposed to it through a vaccine. I'm really hoping for a rapid vaccine for a lot of reasons, concerts included! Yasss! I grew up with someone who's a microbiologist, though, and she says the vaccine process takes awhile. (Another kid next door also turned out to be a smart economist guy. I'm pretty much the underachiever from my street :LOL: )

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Damnit JB! I'm not a big fan of Cheap Trick! That's a cheap trick dude! But ironically I love "Surrender!" LOL!!!

 

Good one.

 

Fudge.

 

I'm 1-2

I saw Cheap Trick in February 1986, they were supporting Motley Crue on the Theatre of Pain tour and they blew Crue offstage! Robin Zander joined them for a duet in the middle of the set and he really showed up Vince Meal! :oops: :LOL:

 

 

Hahahahahaha!!! "Vince Meal." Classic. Yeah, Cheap Trick is better live than in the studio. Sorry Pat, not my cup o tea. Bun E. Carlos does nothing for me. Anyone can play those chops.

I remember someone on here ripped Herman Rarebell apart for being a really bad drummer. I would take Herman Ze German over Bun E. Carlos any day.

Yeah but no one listens to Cheap Trick for the drums Earl, they're a pop band, they just need somebody to keep time. Pop bands are good too it's not all got to be prog. Listen to more than drums Earl don't be boring.

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