grep Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) PS: I already know that MP40 is going to be not much better than MP30. How could it be with this fracking mismanagement and misunderstanding of the audience. I mean honetly, the Rush debacle starting with HEM40 is almost worse than Disney f***ing up the Star Wars sequels. But at least I can fly down to Florida and pretend to fly the Milllenium Falcon. But we'll never hear an official release of a full MP or PeW Rush show. I bet Ole bypasses ESL40 on purpose, on that point alone. Edited February 13, 2020 by grep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) With the track list posted, I will be getting some version of this. To me this is the minimum of what they could release that makes it acceptable. Honestly, unless there's a download subscription thing in the works, I'm baffled as to why they wouldn't release a complete live set or even multiple shows. I had always hoped for all three nights at Massey Hall in 1976 to be released like Deep Purple did with the Japanese shows in 1972. Rush has as dedicated a fan base as any, to not release numerous multi-track recordings and soundboards is perplexing. Edited February 13, 2020 by taurus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledyorkie Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) https://www.amazon.c...=rushisaband-20 a much more comprehensive disc 2 Edited February 13, 2020 by exiledyorkie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bscsmkr Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 This is NOT worth the money that they are charging. My god for similar money check out other bands boxsets and what they include. yes they could make it right by providing a site exclusively for downloads of live concerts and videos. But yes secure everything Rush has ever done. Reach out to Rush fans and collectors. Create a great archival department digging into every rumor and getting it out there for fans.What a disservice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Within Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) I'll happily pay for a digital download of the live material. However, as I already own an original copy of PeW on vinyl and a CD version, I have no need for anything else on offer in the package. Edited February 14, 2020 by Enemy Within Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1interesting to break this down a bit. The bonus disc (and bonus material released on the 2112 35th Anniversary set, as well as a "Guitar Hero" track) indicates that AT LEAST one show exists from each of the following: - Manchester- London- St Louis (with "Jacob's Ladder" answering the long-standing question as to whether more exists beyond the commonly-bootlegged FM show) ….and from E...SL: - Glasgow This means that there are at least four, and possibly as many as 7 or 8 full 1980 shows in the archive. THAT would make an outstanding box set, along the lines of what Yes did with "Progeny" a few years ago, or what the Grateful Dead release a couple times a year. I REALLY hope it happens, but I just don't see it, especially in the short term. I'm actually OK with this release. I want every single McGee master on CD anyway and for the last three years I've been expecting 80 minutes of St.Louis. Is it perfect? No. But I'm very cool with buying another 2 CD set. when the bonus disc is totally previously unreleased. Between St. Louis and the bonus disc you've got a pretty sweet performance of the Permanent Waves set. (Bummed about A Passage To Bangkok being a vinyl exclusive but I think that version is on the 2012 2112 Deluxe so at least I have that on CD too. I'm almost (dare I say it) excited about this one. I think it's already the best of the four that have been released so far and I've not even heard it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 https://www.anthementertainment.com/ Let them know how you feel :) That's not your father's Anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 PS: I already know that MP40 is going to be not much better than MP30. How could it be with this fracking mismanagement and misunderstanding of the audience. I mean honetly, the Rush debacle starting with HEM40 is almost worse than Disney f***ing up the Star Wars sequels. But at least I can fly down to Florida and pretend to fly the Milllenium Falcon. But we'll never hear an official release of a full MP or PeW Rush show. I bet Ole bypasses ESL40 on purpose, on that point alone. Moving Pictures and Exit...Stage Left will be combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 This is NOT worth the money that they are charging. My god for similar money check out other bands boxsets and what they include. yes they could make it right by providing a site exclusively for downloads of live concerts and videos. But yes secure everything Rush has ever done. Reach out to Rush fans and collectors. Create a great archival department digging into every rumor and getting it out there for fans.What a disservice. It's worth about $20 to me which is what I'll be paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (Bummed about A Passage To Bangkok being a vinyl exclusive but I think that version is on the 2012 2112 Deluxe so at least I have that on CD too. It's on Exit Stage Left too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I was at both nights of the Manchester gigs and Hemispheres was a train wreck in the ‘Armageddon’ section because Lifeson’s Roland Guitar Synth refused to behave. The Spirit of Radio track that is currently available sounds great. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Listed on amazon https://www.amazon.c...ush pwrm&sr=8-5 Changed the cover artwork These releases by the shitty label that took over is doing nothing but a disservice to Rush fansShit they don’t even include the drum solo in honor of Neil I can’t believe no full show when they obviously have it and multiple nights This release was a true test to how they could make things right by releasing an amazingly huge boxset filled with stuff we’ve been clamoring for for decades Geez God that cover sucks. That’s putting it mildly. Looks like it was a spur of the moment joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capoetc Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Is it really possible that a sound board recording of a complete show from PeW does not exist? That seems very hard to believe, but I suppose it is possible that no high-enough quality recording exists beyond the listed live tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I was at both nights of the Manchester gigs and Hemispheres was a train wreck in the ‘Armageddon’ section because Lifeson’s Roland Guitar Synth refused to behave. Is that what I hear on the bootlegs? Is he using the synth to harmonize? Or is it for the lighting and keyboard swells? I never could figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I was at both nights of the Manchester gigs and Hemispheres was a train wreck in the ‘Armageddon’ section because Lifeson’s Roland Guitar Synth refused to behave. Is that what I hear on the bootlegs? Is he using the synth to harmonize? Or is it for the lighting and keyboard swells? I never could figure it out.He was using it for the ‘battle’ sounds but it wasn’t playing ball. They were notoriously flakey. I remember him looking frantically at his roadie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Is it really possible that a sound board recording of a complete show from PeW does not exist? That seems very hard to believe, but I suppose it is possible that no high-enough quality recording exists beyond the listed live tracks. According to recent comments by Terry Brown they only taped songs that hadn't been previously released on All The World's A Stage, hence why the start and end of the shows are missing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78jazz Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1interesting to break this down a bit. The bonus disc (and bonus material released on the 2112 35th Anniversary set, as well as a "Guitar Hero" track) indicates that AT LEAST one show exists from each of the following: - Manchester- London- St Louis (with "Jacob's Ladder" answering the long-standing question as to whether more exists beyond the commonly-bootlegged FM show) ….and from E...SL: - Glasgow This means that there are at least four, and possibly as many as 7 or 8 full 1980 shows in the archive. THAT would make an outstanding box set, along the lines of what Yes did with "Progeny" a few years ago, or what the Grateful Dead release a couple times a year. I REALLY hope it happens, but I just don't see it, especially in the short term. I'm actually OK with this release. I want every single McGee master on CD anyway and for the last three years I've been expecting 80 minutes of St.Louis. Is it perfect? No. But I'm very cool with buying another 2 CD set. when the bonus disc is totally previously unreleased. Between St. Louis and the bonus disc you've got a pretty sweet performance of the Permanent Waves set. (Bummed about A Passage To Bangkok being a vinyl exclusive but I think that version is on the 2012 2112 Deluxe so at least I have that on CD too. I'm almost (dare I say it) excited about this one. I think it's already the best of the four that have been released so far and I've not even heard it yet. Count me in for the CD. $20 is better for this than the $70 for the vinyl. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sawyer Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) I'm looking forward to this, having assumed (wrongly) that they would just release the St. Louis radio show again. Although it's only 80 minutes or so of new music, it will mean we can make up a couple of potentially very cool new compilations: First, a full 1980 set in official release quality (all tracks from new PeW set except where shown) 1. 2112 - from St. Louis pre-FM2. Freewill3. By-Tor & The Snow Dog4. Xanadu5. The Spirit of Radio6. Natural Science7. A Passage to Bangkok8. The Trees9. Cygnus X-110. Hemispheres11. Closer to the Heart12. Beneath, Between & Behind13. Jacob's Ladder14. Archives Medley (Working Man/Finding My Way/Anthem/Bastille Day/Drum Solo) - from St. Louis pre-FM15. La Villa Strangiato - from St. Louis pre-FM Secondly, an expanded ESL, which should sound great (and isn't really cheating, as some of the existing ESL tracks are from the 1980 UK tour): 1. 2112 Overture/Temples of Syrinx (Edmonton 1981 from 2112 40th anniversary)2. Freewill (ESL)3. Limelight (ESL DVD)4. Jacob's Ladder (ESL)5. A Passage to Bangkok (ESL)6. YYZ (ESL)7. Broon's Bane (ESL)8. The Trees (ESL)9. Xanadu (ESL)10. The Spirit of Radio (ESL)11. Red Barchetta (ESL)12. Cygnus X-1 (PeW 40)13. Hemispheres (PeW 40)14. Closer to the Heart (ESL)15. Beneath, Between & Behind (ESL)16. Tom Sawyer (ESL)17. Vital Signs (Live B-Side of New World Man)18. Natural Science (PeW 40)19. Medley: By-Tor & The Snow Dog/In The End/In The Mood/2112 Finale (ESL DVD)20 La Villa Strangiato (ESL) This set comes in at about 2 hours 15 minutes, and could well be the "full show" that ESL should have been if they'd had CDs back in 1981! Edited February 16, 2020 by Tim Sawyer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bscsmkr Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 I think that’s an idea that most of us will doSomeone with special skills will most likely create something great The only difficult part would be finding the right sources that are all relative and close in sound Like the bonus tracks on the 2112 release or the St Louis boot don’t sound anything like the over polished ESLStill will be nice though And Terry Brown weighed in but not sure he understood because his answer definitely doesn’t answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (Bummed about A Passage To Bangkok being a vinyl exclusive but I think that version is on the 2012 2112 Deluxe so at least I have that on CD too. It's on Exit Stage Left too. Same performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (Bummed about A Passage To Bangkok being a vinyl exclusive but I think that version is on the 2012 2112 Deluxe so at least I have that on CD too. It's on Exit Stage Left too. Same performance? No idea. I'm not a completist though so one live version from that era is enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Didact Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 The decisions being made with these boxsets are truly bizarre. We know for a fact that there are plenty of soundboard recordings in the archive, why are they releasing handfuls of songs rather than complete shows? Just give me a whole show, unedited. That's all I want. Instead they're putting out these insane boxes which are mostly artwork and charging insane prices for them. It's the music that matters, give me THAT. I'm not paying $180 for someone's reimagining of PeW's cover art. I'll likely buy the CD version of this, just so I have a digital version of Sean Magee's remaster. I don't feel the need to get anything beyond that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueschica Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) The new PW 40 release may be delayed until June ??!!?? A friend in another group just got an email from Amazon.co.uk . "Unfortunately the release date was changed by the supplier, and we need to provide you with a new estimated delivery date based on the new release date. Rush "Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary (Super Deluxe) [VINYL] Estimated arrival date: June 02 2020." Has anyone else heard anything similar? Edited February 21, 2020 by blueschica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezJem Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The new PW 40 release may be delayed until June ??!!?? A friend in another group just got an email from Amazon.co.uk . "Unfortunately the release date was changed by the supplier, and we need to provide you with a new estimated delivery date based on the new release date. Rush "Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary (Super Deluxe) [VINYL] Estimated arrival date: June 02 2020." Has anyone else heard anything similar?Amazon UK says 29th May. I`ll buy it of course, PW is ridiculously perfect, but I am baffled by that cover... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I'm just curious that there's nothing on the official site yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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