goose Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Supertramp i'm only including the Roger stuff. not really ovely familiar with the post stuff 1 Even in the Quietest Moments2. Crime of the Century3. Breakfast in America4. Crisis What Crisis5. Famous Last Words6. Indelibly Stamped7. Supertramp MickYou and EP have me listening to the Quietest Moments album a lot lately. I've never appreciated it as much as you two seem to, but I'm working at it. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Supertramp i'm only including the Roger stuff. not really ovely familiar with the post stuff 1 Even in the Quietest Moments2. Crime of the Century3. Breakfast in America4. Crisis What Crisis5. Famous Last Words6. Indelibly Stamped7. Supertramp MickYou and EP have me listening to the Quietest Moments album a lot lately. I've never appreciated it as much as you two seem to, but I'm working at it. :) i absolutly love that record. i think on that album you get the best of all they do. Breezy pop (Give A Little Bit) Swagger filled jazz (Lover Boy and to a lesser extent From Now On) Sweet ballads (Downstream) Roger's Spiritual side (Title Track, Babaji) and straight prog (Fools Overture) it's easily their most balanced. Try it again. Mick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Supertramp i'm only including the Roger stuff. not really ovely familiar with the post stuff 1 Even in the Quietest Moments2. Crime of the Century3. Breakfast in America4. Crisis What Crisis5. Famous Last Words6. Indelibly Stamped7. Supertramp MickYou and EP have me listening to the Quietest Moments album a lot lately. I've never appreciated it as much as you two seem to, but I'm working at it. :) i absolutly love that record. i think on that album you get the best of all they do. Breezy pop (Give A Little Bit) Swagger filled jazz (Lover Boy and to a lesser extent From Now On) Sweet ballads (Downstream) Roger's Spiritual side (Title Track, Babaji) and straight prog (Fools Overture) it's easily their most balanced. Try it again. Mick Yep yep yep! And you get some of their Francophile flair on From Now On. The only thing it's missing is the AOR sound they discovered on Breakfast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. Edited March 24, 2022 by New_World_Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time.I disagree on the 90125 part, I think for the time, it was a vital album in the progressing of the 80s rock sound. In fact some people credit Trevor Horn as the man who invented the 80s sound, and while that may be a bit hyperbolic, he definitely helped it to evolve, and this album was a big part of that. I think that's the reason why it was so big at the time, it was different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) I'll take a stab at this one - honestly very difficult as there's a lot of grey area to consider King's X: 5/51. Please Come Mr. Bulbous2. Gretchen Goes To Nebraska4/53. King's X4. Dogman5. Ogre Tones6. Tape Head7. Out of the Silent Planet8. Faith Hope Love9. XV3/510. Ear Candy11. Manic Moonlight2/512. Black Like Sunday ^ none of these albums are "bad" except for the bottom three which are mostly filter, I'd say. still some great songs on there however Edited March 24, 2022 by Mr. Not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Another difficult one to rank, a lot of these will switch positions over time like with King's X Porcupine Tree 5/51. Fear of a Blank Planet2. The Incident3. In Absentia4/54. Stupid Dream5. Lightbulb Sun6. Deadwing(i'm guessing Close/Continuation will land around here)7. Signify3/58. The Sky Moves Sideways9. Up The Downstairshit/510. On The Shitday of Life Edited March 24, 2022 by Mr. Not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 YES 1. Close To The Edge [Close To The Edge]2. The Yes Album [Yours Is No Disgrace]3. 90125 [Hearts]4. Going For The One [Awaken]5. Fragile [Roundabout]6. Relayer [sound Chaser]7. Drama [into The Lens]8. Tales From Topographic Oceans [The Revealing Science Of God (Dance Of The Dawn)]9. Big Generator [big Generator]10. Tormato [On Silent Wings Of Freedom]11. Talk [Endless Dream]12. Keystudio (Keys to Ascension 1 & 2) [be The One]13. Fly From Here [Fly From Here]14. Open Your Eyes [Open Your Eyes]15. Time And A Word [Then]16. The Ladder [Homeworld (The Ladder)]17. Union [Miracle Of Life]18. Magnification [in The Presence Of]19. The Quest [The Ice Bridge]20. Heaven & Earth [subway Walls]21. Yes [survival] Finally a Yes list I feel mainly confident about... at least for now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) I'll toss in my spare change. Going For The One is the overrated one to me. 90125 gets as much hate for being such a radical departure from their 70s sound as it does love for being a great pop/rock AOR record (with proggy tinges), so I don't think it's overrated. GFTO has Awaken, which is great, but then it has those other songs which just... to me they're like Jethro Tull post TAAB, when the all the instrumental and structural complexity started to get in the way of strong melodies and cohesive compositions. Not to say I don't enjoy the rest of the album (or Jethro Tull's work post TAAB for that matter), but to me it's the sound of a band that has passed the point of diminishing returns in pursuit of a particular sound or idea (really I think they'd started passing it on Relayer). Even Awaken doesn't really compare to CTTE or TRSOG to me, but I think a 15 minute runtime often runs the risk of feeling a bit too long or a bit too short. Oddly, I think they try to focus more on songwriting fundamentals and cooling down on the overcomplexity a bit better on Tormato, but the songs that they come up with are somehow no longer as interesting. They just feel less essential even if I find them a bit more enjoyable at face value. Then Drama is its own little strange heavy world without Jon there to remind me I'm listening to Yes (though Howe and Squire do give enough hints that I never totally forget), and then 90125 appears, and suddenly Yes are firing on all cylinders again for me. As far as Big Generator is concerned, I'm not terribly attached to it. I don't dislike it by any means, but it has a bit of "90125 2" feeling to it, but without the most massive singles and with a bit more of the Tormato-ish "these songs feel less memorable than our classics" going on. To reiterate one thing though: THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL! I recognize some of these (GFTO especially) are very very loved, and there's a lot to love about each of them. They just aren't the Yes I'm usually in the mood to hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) I'll toss in my spare change. Going For The One is the overrated one to me. 90125 gets as much hate for being such a radical departure from their 70s sound as it does love for being a great pop/rock AOR record (with proggy tinges), so I don't think it's overrated. GFTO has Awaken, which is great, but then it has those other songs which just... to me they're like Jethro Tull post TAAB, when the all the instrumental and structural complexity started to get in the way of strong melodies and cohesive compositions. Not to say I don't enjoy the rest of the album (or Jethro Tull's work post TAAB for that matter), but to me it's the sound of a band that has passed the point of diminishing returns in pursuit of a particular sound or idea (really I think they'd started passing it on Relayer). Even Awaken doesn't really compare to CTTE or TRSOG to me, but I think a 15 minute runtime often runs the risk of feeling a bit too long or a bit too short. Oddly, I think they try to focus more on songwriting fundamentals and cooling down on the overcomplexity a bit better on Tormato, but the songs that they come up with are somehow no longer as interesting. They just feel less essential even if I find them a bit more enjoyable at face value. Then Drama is its own little strange heavy world without Jon there to remind me I'm listening to Yes (though Howe and Squire do give enough hints that I never totally forget), and then 90125 appears, and suddenly Yes are firing on all cylinders again for me. As far as Big Generator is concerned, I'm not terribly attached to it. I don't dislike it by any means, but it has a bit of "90125 2" feeling to it, but without the most massive singles and with a bit more of the Tormato-ish "these songs feel less memorable than our classics" going on. To reiterate one thing though: THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL! I recognize some of these (GFTO especially) are very very loved, and there's a lot to love about each of them. They just aren't the Yes I'm usually in the mood to hear. i'll stop your right there bud! i used to make this mistake a lot too - but there's a big difference between being overrated within a fanbase, and overrated within the public's eye. 90125 is definitely an overrated album. but yeah, you could say GFTO is overrated within the fanbase, though I'd obviously disagree with that. I find GFTO, CTTE, and Relayer to be Yes's best albums and they exemplify what they do best, what they do uniquely, and do well. all their instruments play independent leads yet it all comes together, the 'epics' have their peaks and valleys and you get opposite sides of the spectrums with chaotic instrumental sections and calm mellotron accompanied Jon. i will definitely admit that GFTO had more straightforward writing than CTTE and Relayer in particular, as well as some of their earlier albums like Tales too I'm sure, but that doesn't really take away from the sense of wonder/adventure in the songs for me really, that feel is still there even if they're not going completely wild agree with BG being 901252 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Hey, I'm just glad to see Yes get discussed this much on this forum. I think more Rush fans who are really into AFTK up to MP would like them as long as they don't expect them to be as heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) I'll toss in my spare change. Going For The One is the overrated one to me. 90125 gets as much hate for being such a radical departure from their 70s sound as it does love for being a great pop/rock AOR record (with proggy tinges), so I don't think it's overrated. GFTO has Awaken, which is great, but then it has those other songs which just... to me they're like Jethro Tull post TAAB, when the all the instrumental and structural complexity started to get in the way of strong melodies and cohesive compositions. Not to say I don't enjoy the rest of the album (or Jethro Tull's work post TAAB for that matter), but to me it's the sound of a band that has passed the point of diminishing returns in pursuit of a particular sound or idea (really I think they'd started passing it on Relayer). Even Awaken doesn't really compare to CTTE or TRSOG to me, but I think a 15 minute runtime often runs the risk of feeling a bit too long or a bit too short. Oddly, I think they try to focus more on songwriting fundamentals and cooling down on the overcomplexity a bit better on Tormato, but the songs that they come up with are somehow no longer as interesting. They just feel less essential even if I find them a bit more enjoyable at face value. Then Drama is its own little strange heavy world without Jon there to remind me I'm listening to Yes (though Howe and Squire do give enough hints that I never totally forget), and then 90125 appears, and suddenly Yes are firing on all cylinders again for me. As far as Big Generator is concerned, I'm not terribly attached to it. I don't dislike it by any means, but it has a bit of "90125 2" feeling to it, but without the most massive singles and with a bit more of the Tormato-ish "these songs feel less memorable than our classics" going on. To reiterate one thing though: THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL! I recognize some of these (GFTO especially) are very very loved, and there's a lot to love about each of them. They just aren't the Yes I'm usually in the mood to hear. i'll stop your right there bud! i used to make this mistake a lot too - but there's a big difference between being overrated within a fanbase, and overrated within the public's eye. 90125 is definitely an overrated album. but yeah, you could say GFTO is overrated within the fanbase, though I'd obviously disagree with that. I find GFTO, CTTE, and Relayer to be Yes's best albums and they exemplify what they do best, what they do uniquely, and do well. all their instruments play independent leads yet it all comes together, the 'epics' have their peaks and valleys and you get opposite sides of the spectrums with chaotic instrumental sections and calm mellotron accompanied Jon. i will definitely admit that GFTO had more straightforward writing than CTTE and Relayer in particular, as well as some of their earlier albums like Tales too I'm sure, but that doesn't really take away from the sense of wonder/adventure in the songs for me really, that feel is still there even if they're not going completely wild agree with BG being 901252 I just don’t see 90125 as being overrated overall. What does the t matter if many of the people who dislike it are hardcore Yes fans and that many of the people who like it are more general 80s rock audiences? I think they still balance out. It’s not like big general album ranking sites like Ultimate Classic Rock tend to put 90125 at number 1. They usually reserve the top two spots for Fragile and CTTE still. My top three are TYS, CTTE, and 90125 in that order. Relayer feels a bit too intangible to me, and I already elaborated on my feelings about GFTO. I think they’re all great, but those are my preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) I'll toss in my spare change. Going For The One is the overrated one to me. 90125 gets as much hate for being such a radical departure from their 70s sound as it does love for being a great pop/rock AOR record (with proggy tinges), so I don't think it's overrated. GFTO has Awaken, which is great, but then it has those other songs which just... to me they're like Jethro Tull post TAAB, when the all the instrumental and structural complexity started to get in the way of strong melodies and cohesive compositions. Not to say I don't enjoy the rest of the album (or Jethro Tull's work post TAAB for that matter), but to me it's the sound of a band that has passed the point of diminishing returns in pursuit of a particular sound or idea (really I think they'd started passing it on Relayer). Even Awaken doesn't really compare to CTTE or TRSOG to me, but I think a 15 minute runtime often runs the risk of feeling a bit too long or a bit too short. Oddly, I think they try to focus more on songwriting fundamentals and cooling down on the overcomplexity a bit better on Tormato, but the songs that they come up with are somehow no longer as interesting. They just feel less essential even if I find them a bit more enjoyable at face value. Then Drama is its own little strange heavy world without Jon there to remind me I'm listening to Yes (though Howe and Squire do give enough hints that I never totally forget), and then 90125 appears, and suddenly Yes are firing on all cylinders again for me. As far as Big Generator is concerned, I'm not terribly attached to it. I don't dislike it by any means, but it has a bit of "90125 2" feeling to it, but without the most massive singles and with a bit more of the Tormato-ish "these songs feel less memorable than our classics" going on. To reiterate one thing though: THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL! I recognize some of these (GFTO especially) are very very loved, and there's a lot to love about each of them. They just aren't the Yes I'm usually in the mood to hear. i'll stop your right there bud! i used to make this mistake a lot too - but there's a big difference between being overrated within a fanbase, and overrated within the public's eye. 90125 is definitely an overrated album. but yeah, you could say GFTO is overrated within the fanbase, though I'd obviously disagree with that. I find GFTO, CTTE, and Relayer to be Yes's best albums and they exemplify what they do best, what they do uniquely, and do well. all their instruments play independent leads yet it all comes together, the 'epics' have their peaks and valleys and you get opposite sides of the spectrums with chaotic instrumental sections and calm mellotron accompanied Jon. i will definitely admit that GFTO had more straightforward writing than CTTE and Relayer in particular, as well as some of their earlier albums like Tales too I'm sure, but that doesn't really take away from the sense of wonder/adventure in the songs for me really, that feel is still there even if they're not going completely wild agree with BG being 901252 I just don’t see 90125 as being overrated overall. What does the t matter if many of the people who dislike it are hardcore Yes fans and that many of the people who like it are more general 80s rock audiences? I think they still balance out. It’s not like big general album ranking sites like Ultimate Classic Rock tend to put 90125 at number 1. They usually reserve the top two spots for Fragile and CTTE still. My top three are TYS, CTTE, and 90125 in that order. Relayer feels a bit too intangible to me, and I already elaborated on my feelings about GFTO. I think they’re all great, but those are my preferences. well it matters to me, a yes fan :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Radiohead 1. OK Computer2. In Rainbows3. King of Limbs4. The Bends5. A Moon Shaped Pool6. Kid A7. Amnesiac8. Hail to the Thief9. Pablo Honey I used to think much higher of Amnesiac, that's the only real difference in how I've ranked this band's albums over the years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes seems like a good one to start with, but I don't really listen to much of their stuff beyond 90125 I know for a fact I've already done this is another thread BTW, and it's probably changed just a little bit since then: 1. Going For The One2. Close To The Edge3. Relayer4. Fragile5. The Yes Album6. Time and a Word7. Tales From Topographic Oceans8. Tormato9. Drama10. 9012511. Magnification12. Yes 13+ I don't care for enough to ever listen, but I've heard all of them at least once except for Heaven & Earth and The Quest That's too bad. They had some really good (and dare I even say great) stuff after 90125 especially the ladder, talk and Big Generator. Of course that's just my opinion. 90125 was a very good comeback but ulitimately a bit overrated and not very representative of the Yes sound or spirit so it loses points for me. If it was released under the name Boston or Journey or even Styx no one would have batted an eyelash at the time. to each his own of course, but i'm clueless as to how anyone could like big generator but then call 90125 overrated :P i guess it is in a way, since it's the most popular yes / album and song for more casual listeners. big generator has two good songs, the title track and shoot hightalk and the ladder are forgettable, the band really suffers without both Howe and Wakeman most of the time Union (popularly referred to as Onion) has "Pick Me Up" - which at least has a very kick ass Dream Theater like intro in it. can't say much positive about their catalogue aside from the albums I ranked, I gave them all a fair shot and honestly it felt like the world's biggest chore.. meanwhile listening through something like Tales From Topographic Oceans felt like an incredible adventure at the time Compared to Big Generator 90125 is definitely overrated which conversely means BG is underrated which is exactly how I feel. They have similarities but BG is more adventurous and has more songs that are more representative of the classic era. The more cutting edge songs are done because they want to do them. Anyway many people jump ship after Going For the One so at least you made it into the 80's. ;) I'll toss in my spare change. Going For The One is the overrated one to me. 90125 gets as much hate for being such a radical departure from their 70s sound as it does love for being a great pop/rock AOR record (with proggy tinges), so I don't think it's overrated. GFTO has Awaken, which is great, but then it has those other songs which just... to me they're like Jethro Tull post TAAB, when the all the instrumental and structural complexity started to get in the way of strong melodies and cohesive compositions. Not to say I don't enjoy the rest of the album (or Jethro Tull's work post TAAB for that matter), but to me it's the sound of a band that has passed the point of diminishing returns in pursuit of a particular sound or idea (really I think they'd started passing it on Relayer). Even Awaken doesn't really compare to CTTE or TRSOG to me, but I think a 15 minute runtime often runs the risk of feeling a bit too long or a bit too short. Oddly, I think they try to focus more on songwriting fundamentals and cooling down on the overcomplexity a bit better on Tormato, but the songs that they come up with are somehow no longer as interesting. They just feel less essential even if I find them a bit more enjoyable at face value. Then Drama is its own little strange heavy world without Jon there to remind me I'm listening to Yes (though Howe and Squire do give enough hints that I never totally forget), and then 90125 appears, and suddenly Yes are firing on all cylinders again for me. As far as Big Generator is concerned, I'm not terribly attached to it. I don't dislike it by any means, but it has a bit of "90125 2" feeling to it, but without the most massive singles and with a bit more of the Tormato-ish "these songs feel less memorable than our classics" going on. To reiterate one thing though: THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL! I recognize some of these (GFTO especially) are very very loved, and there's a lot to love about each of them. They just aren't the Yes I'm usually in the mood to hear. i'll stop your right there bud! i used to make this mistake a lot too - but there's a big difference between being overrated within a fanbase, and overrated within the public's eye. 90125 is definitely an overrated album. but yeah, you could say GFTO is overrated within the fanbase, though I'd obviously disagree with that. I find GFTO, CTTE, and Relayer to be Yes's best albums and they exemplify what they do best, what they do uniquely, and do well. all their instruments play independent leads yet it all comes together, the 'epics' have their peaks and valleys and you get opposite sides of the spectrums with chaotic instrumental sections and calm mellotron accompanied Jon. i will definitely admit that GFTO had more straightforward writing than CTTE and Relayer in particular, as well as some of their earlier albums like Tales too I'm sure, but that doesn't really take away from the sense of wonder/adventure in the songs for me really, that feel is still there even if they're not going completely wild agree with BG being 901252 I just don’t see 90125 as being overrated overall. What does the t matter if many of the people who dislike it are hardcore Yes fans and that many of the people who like it are more general 80s rock audiences? I think they still balance out. It’s not like big general album ranking sites like Ultimate Classic Rock tend to put 90125 at number 1. They usually reserve the top two spots for Fragile and CTTE still. My top three are TYS, CTTE, and 90125 in that order. Relayer feels a bit too intangible to me, and I already elaborated on my feelings about GFTO. I think they’re all great, but those are my preferences. well it matters to me, a yes fan :unsure: I'm a decently big Yes fan as well. I'm just saying, if we're looking at the numbers of the thing, the ratio of hardcore Yes fans talking about 90125 to general audiences talking about 90125 over the past couple decades is probably pretty close to 1:1. If we assume most hardcore Yes fans are more into their proggier stuff and aren't as pleased with 90125 and BG, and if we assume most members of the general audiences category know of Yes by their biggest hits and are probably pretty big fans of 90125, that would balance the overall group opinion of the album out to be kinda middling overall, which doesn't sound like overrated to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Ok let’s get the easiest one outta the way. Rush - My top 5 has been firm for over 20 years. But the rest has changed over the last two years after really digging into the catalog again after Neils passing. 1. Permanent Waves2. Hemispheres3. Moving Pictures4. Signals5. Power Windows6. Grace Under Pressure7. 21128. A Farewell To Kings9. Hold Your Fire10. Counterparts11. Roll The Bones12. Fly By Night13. Caress of Steel14. Presto15. Clockwork Angels16. Snakes and Arrows17. Rush18. Test For Echo19. Vapor Trails 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Next up on the list is Porcupine Tree and only PT (not Steven Wilson solo). 1. Fear of a Blank Planet/Nil Recurring2. Deadwing3. In Absentia4. Lightbulb Sun5. Stupid Dream6. The Incident7. Signify 8. The Sky Moves Sidways9. On The Sunday of Life10. Up The Downstair11. Metanoia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 The Black Crowes 1. The Southern Harmony And Musical Companion2. Amorica3. Lions4. Three Snakes And A Charm5. Shake Your Money Maker6. By Your Side7. Warpaint8.Before The Frost....Until The Freeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Dream Theater 1. Metropolis PT2 Scenes From A Memory2. Train of Thought 3. Images and Words4. Distance To Here5. Octavarium6. Awake7. A Dramatic Turn of Events8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance9. Dream Theater10. Black Clouds And Silver Linings 11. A View From The Top of The World12. A Change of Seasons13. Falling Into Infinity14. The Astonishing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 In honor of Taylor Hawkins. Foo Fighters 1. There is Nothing Left To Leave Behind2. Echos, Silence, Patience & Grace3. Wasting Light4. Sonic Highways5. The Color and The Shape6. One by One7. Foo Fighters8. Concrete and Gold9. In Your Honor10. Medicine At Midnight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Blind Guardian 5/51. Imaginations From the Other Side2. Tales From the Twilight World 4/53. Nightfall in Middle Earth4. A Night at the Opera5. Beyond the Red Mirror6. Somewhere Far Beyond7. Follow the Blind8. A Twist in the Myth3/59. At the Edge of Time10. Battalions of Fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Sonata Arctica this one's actually the most difficult one yet, particularly with their top albums 5/51. Reckoning Night2. Winterheart's Guild3. Silence4. Unia4/55. Ecliptica6. Pariah's Child7. Stones Grow Her Name8. The Days of Grays3/5 -- (very mediocre or even just flat out bad aside from a a limited few songs)9. The Ninth Hour10. Talviyo (this one's their latest and still has some growing on me to do, might change my mind on it and put it above Ninth Hour later..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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