diatribein Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 A battle of two of the most under-praised albums in their career. I suspect that the red one will win easily for most people here, considering it is the last album of an era that is still held in fairly high esteem on this board. Skipping albums again because these two line up well in terms of number of tracks and relative popularity (or lack there of) with regulars. Here are my choices: Force Ten < Dreamline Time Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets < Roll The BonesSecond Nature ≥ Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing? (Part IV, "Gangster Of Boats" Trilogy)Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission > HeresyTurn The Page > Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water < You Bet Your Life Very strange 6 - 4 win for Hold Your Fire for me ONLY because of the match-ups. Had Lock And Key & Mission gone up against 7 of the remaining 8 on Roll The Bones they would have lost, but instead they battle against two of the three songs I dislike on Roll The Bones. The closest battle on here is track 4 where Second Nature wins only due to the stellar lyrics. Along with Neurotica these are some of my all time favourite Neil Peart lyrics. The most lopsided battle of all the battles so far is track #5, where my favourite song from all 20 on offer destroys the song I like least out of these choices. Still, overall I do like Roll The Bones as an album better. If we were doing a straight up Top 10 from these 20, Roll The Bones wins 6 - 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Force TenTime Stand StillRoll The Bones (for having seen it in concert more than anything)Second NatureWhere's My thingLock And KeyMission, oh definitely MissionTurn The PageTai Shan. bite me. Heresy is Rush's worst song.High Water, for being not nearly as annoying as that other one. Wow, some very unfortunate matchups in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 bravado. the rest of the songs on both albums are shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 A 6 to 4 win for RtB over HYF. I really like Roll the Bones, so I'm not surprised at all. I like the reviled You Bet Your Life a lot, but I also like High Water- so that was close for me because they are good songs rather than because they are bad. Prime Mover is my favorite across both albums, followed by Dreamline. The race was close, both albums have tracks I love and tracks I never bother to listen to. No surprises here and honestly if HYF had won that really wouldn't be a surprise either. Force Ten < Dreamline Time Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets < Roll The BonesSecond Nature < Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing?Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission < HeresyTurn The Page > Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water < You Bet Your Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatribein Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 A 6 to 4 win for RtB over HYF. I really like Roll the Bones, so I'm not surprised at all. I like the reviled You Bet Your Life a lot, but I also like High Water- so that was close for me because they are good songs rather than because they are bad. Prime Mover is my favorite across both albums, followed by Dreamline. The race was close, both albums have tracks I love and tracks I never bother to listen to. No surprises here and honestly if HYF had won that really wouldn't be a surprise either. Force Ten < Dreamline Time Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets < Roll The BonesSecond Nature < Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing?Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission < HeresyTurn The Page > Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water < You Bet Your Life Nice! We are very, very close. Prime Mover is also my favourite of all here and I love most of the songs you like on Roll The Bones too. I think our only real disagreement is Heresy, because I also love Face Up and it was a difficult choice for me on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronos Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Dreamline wins track 1, but after that it's all HYF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent-Rush Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Force Ten > DreamlineTime Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets < Roll The BonesSecond Nature < Face UpPrime Mover < Where's My Thing? (Part IV, "Gangster Of Boats" Trilogy)Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission > HeresyTurn The Page < Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water > You Bet Your Life 5 to 5, god damn. Edited June 19, 2018 by Permanent-Rush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) A 6 to 4 win for RtB over HYF. I really like Roll the Bones, so I'm not surprised at all. I like the reviled You Bet Your Life a lot, but I also like High Water- so that was close for me because they are good songs rather than because they are bad. Prime Mover is my favorite across both albums, followed by Dreamline. The race was close, both albums have tracks I love and tracks I never bother to listen to. No surprises here and honestly if HYF had won that really wouldn't be a surprise either. Force Ten < Dreamline Time Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets < Roll The BonesSecond Nature < Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing?Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission < HeresyTurn The Page > Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water < You Bet Your Life Nice! We are very, very close. Prime Mover is also my favourite of all here and I love most of the songs you like on Roll The Bones too. I think our only real disagreement is Heresy, because I also love Face Up and it was a difficult choice for me on that one.Face Up is a great song. I did choose Face Up. I put Heresy over Mission, though. Mission was never a favorite. Edited June 19, 2018 by Mosher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeze Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Dreamline Bravado Roll The BonesSecond NaturePrime MoverLock And KeyMissionGhost Of A Chance NeuroticaHigh Water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Imho, HYF is Rush’s last great album from start to finish. Even my least favorite track, Tai Shan, I find enjoyable at some level. I only like 4 tracks off Bones: Dreamline, Bravado, Ghost of a Chance, and Where’s My Thing. The only one that wins their matchup is Dreamline. All the other Bones tracks I either don’t care about or dislike entirely. Final score... Hold Your Fire: 9, Roll the Bones: 1. Sometimes specific matchups help an album win. This time it didn’t matter. Edited June 19, 2018 by JohnnyBlaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Every HYF song except Second Nature. That and Face Up are equally bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Every HYF song except Second Nature. That and Face Up are equally bad. Face Up has got to be in my top 5 Worst Rush songs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pxr5 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 bravado. the rest of the songs on both albums are shit. Where's My Thing is good too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Get rid of Face Up, Neurotica and You Bet Your Life and you have two albums I love equally. So for this reason Hold Your Fire wins, but of the two albums Bravado is my favourite song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 All this hate for the intentionally silly YBYL and purposefully light Face Up, but for my money Ghost of a Chance is the worstof these two, well tied with Tai Shan, because both are serious in their saccharine sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 All this hate for the intentionally silly YBYL and purposefully light Face Up, but for my money Ghost of a Chance is the worstof these two, well tied with Tai Shan, because both are serious in their saccharine sentiments. Just because something is 'intentionally silly' doesn't make it good or even passable.The Bones rap was meant as a joke of course...but knowing that didn't help me like it. Same thing goes for YBYL and Face Up - two baddies that crack my top 5 worst. (Bravest Face is probably my absolute worst if you're curious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Force Ten > DreamlineTime Stand Still <BravadoOpen Secrets > Roll The BonesSecond Nature > Face UpPrime Mover < Where's My Thing? Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission > HeresyTurn The Page < Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water > You Bet Your Life HYF by Geds nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 All this hate for the intentionally silly YBYL and purposefully light Face Up, but for my money Ghost of a Chance is the worstof these two, well tied with Tai Shan, because both are serious in their saccharine sentiments. Just because something is 'intentionally silly' doesn't make it good or even passable.The Bones rap was meant as a joke of course...but knowing that didn't help me like it. Same thing goes for YBYL and Face Up - two baddies that crack my top 5 worst. (Bravest Face is probably my absolute worst if you're curious.) Not at all saying you should like, just explaining why I think Ghost and Tai are worse (and why I like the others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil1972 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 DreamlineTime Stand StillOpen SecretsSecond NaturePrime MoverThe Big WheelMissionTurn The PageNeuroticaHigh Water HYF wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Force Ten < Dreamline Time Stand Still > BravadoOpen Secrets > Roll The BonesSecond Nature < Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing? (Part IV, "Gangster Of Boats" Trilogy)Lock And Key > The Big WheelMission > HeresyTurn The Page < Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water > You Bet Your Life HYF wins easily. As it should because I love that album and loathe RTB with a searing passion seasoned by a dash of indifference and a sprig of apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The only one that wins their matchup is Dreamline. All the other Bones tracks I either don’t care about or dislike entirely. Final score... Hold Your Fire: 9, Roll the Bones: 1. This. Dreamline is the best Rush song of the 90s. The rest of RTB does not trump their HYF equivalents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Force Ten Dreamline Time Stand Still BravadoOpen Secrets Roll The BonesSecond Nature Face UpPrime Mover Where's My Thing? (Part IV, "Gangster Of Boats" Trilogy)Lock And Key The Big WheelMission HeresyTurn The Page Ghost Of A ChanceTai Shan NeuroticaHigh Water You Bet Your Life Picking between Time Stand Still and Bravado is bru--tal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil1972 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Picking between Time Stand Still and Bravado is bru--tal. Yes it was! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Force Ten > DreamlineTime Stand Still = BravadoOpen Secrets >Roll the BonesSecond Nature > Face UpPrime Mover > Where's My Thing?Lock and Key > The Big WheelMission > HeresyTurn the Page > Ghost of a ChanceTai Shan < NeuroticaHigh Water > You Bet your Life. HYF over Roll the Bones and it's not even a match. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Some tough decisions: DreamlineBravadoOpen SecretsSecond NaturePrime MoverLock And KeyMissionTurn The PageNeuroticaHigh Water 7-3 in favor of HYF. Not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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