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As the years went by i grew to love Heresy

 

Scars is one of my fav Rush tracks,

 

both great albums but thank god for Counterparts

 

Presto just about edges it but only

because of sound quality. RTB just a bit too tinny

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What's interesting about this poll of which album 'Presto' or 'Roll The Bones' is a favorite - both albums won Juno Awards for Best Hard Rock album.

 

As well since both albums are produced by Rupert Hine, this related poll with comments would probably be posted on a SAGA band forum as well.

 

SAGA fans would decide that either Worlds Apart (1981) or Heads or Tales (1983) is their favorite as both albums in a row were also produced by Rupert Hine.

 

Since I'm not a diehard SAGA fan, the songs that got the radio airplay would be the only ones I care about.

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes

 

It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length.

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes

 

It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length.

 

Not surprisingly, I'm mostly in agreement over this! :D

 

I think I may in fact have a Top 3 Worst... that's the only difference !!

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes

 

It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length.

 

It was my #1 for about 20 years. Up until that yodeling crap song off Clockwork Angels. Or was that off Snakes? Can’t even remember. Maybe it was off Snakes

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Presto > RTB > that goddamn totem pole song

 

 

Look Neil, you made Buddha barf:

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And this Aztec isn't too happy either:

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"Get me off your pole before I eat your heart."

 

Totem feels like Rush is performing some other artist’s song. Below average for me, though not grotesque

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I love both, but Roll The Bones is almost 100% GOLD to me.

 

I could see it being a top five album without Face Up, Neurotica and You Bet Your Life, but recently I've even come to enjoy those songs.

 

All in all, RTB is high on my most played albums of the last two years

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I enjoy both.

But RTB is a tale of two albums: One half great and the other half wildly mediocre. Its like after the good songwriting of Dreamline/Bravado/RTB/Ghost Of A Chance/WMT? the band just ran out of gas in the studio and coasted to fill the remaining space.

And that weak-ass production. I didn't mind it on Presto but Hines wimpy mix job on RTB really sucked the potential out of the songs and gets on my nerves

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned at all.

 

I recall reading an interview with Stevie Nicks around the period of her 1989 album The Other Side of the Mirror, which is produced by Rupert Hine.

 

Apparently Nicks and Hine had a brief relationship that's mentioned here.

 

It's noted that Stevie Nicks has written songs about the subject of 'sorcery' and 'mysticism', etc.

 

I wonder if Rupert mentioned his relationship with Stevie to Neil, which possibly inspired the lyrics for 'Ghost Of A Chance'.

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Presto > RTB > that goddamn totem pole song

 

 

Look Neil, you made Buddha barf:

pb.PNG

 

And this Aztec isn't too happy either:

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"Get me off your pole before I eat your heart."

 

Totem feels like Rush is performing some other artist’s song. Below average for me, though not grotesque

 

Musically reasonable, lyrically stunted.

Like something Lynn V Andrews would throw up. Or KJ Anderson.

 

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Roll the Bones;

 

Dreamline > Show Don't Tell

Bravado > Chain lighting

Roll the Bones < The Pass

Face Up < War Paint

Where's my thing? > Scars

The Big Wheel < Superconductor

Heresey > Anagram (for Mongo)

Ghost of a Chance > Red Tide

Neurotica > Hand over First

You bet your Life < Available Light

 

So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4

 

And that's the way I see it!

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.

Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke:

 

Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat!

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.

Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke:

 

Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat!

 

I always thought the drums on Scars sounded programmed, but never looked into it. Neil at his most atomically metronomic!

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Roll the Bones;

 

Dreamline > Show Don't Tell

Bravado > Chain lighting

Roll the Bones < The Pass

Face Up < War Paint

Where's my thing? > Scars

The Big Wheel < Superconductor

Heresey > Anagram (for Mongo)

Ghost of a Chance > Red Tide

Neurotica > Hand over First

You bet your Life < Available Light

 

So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4

 

And that's the way I see it!

 

Here's mine

 

Show Don't Tell > Dreamline

Chain Lightning > Bravado

The Pass < Roll The Bones

War Paint > Face Up (only one that's pretty close for me)

Scars < Where's My Thing

Presto > The Big Wheel

Superconductor > Heresy

Anagram (For Mongo) < Ghost Of A Chance

Red Tide > Neurotica

Hand Over Fist > You Bet Your Life

and Available Light > anything from either album

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Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.

I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that.

 

Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.

Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke:

 

Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat!

The drums would be fine if they didn't sound like Tupperware in a wind tunnel!

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Roll the Bones;

 

Dreamline > Show Don't Tell

Bravado > Chain lighting

Roll the Bones < The Pass

Face Up < War Paint

Where's my thing? > Scars

The Big Wheel < Superconductor

Heresey > Anagram (for Mongo)

Ghost of a Chance > Red Tide

Neurotica > Hand over First

You bet your Life < Available Light

 

So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4

 

And that's the way I see it!

 

Here's mine

 

Show Don't Tell > Dreamline

Chain Lightning > Bravado

The Pass < Roll The Bones

War Paint > Face Up (only one that's pretty close for me)

Scars < Where's My Thing

Presto > The Big Wheel

Superconductor > Heresy

Anagram (For Mongo) < Ghost Of A Chance

Red Tide > Neurotica

Hand Over Fist > You Bet Your Life

and Available Light > anything from either album

 

I didn’t line them up that way because...they don’t line up - 11 tunes to 10. So, I got their grade point averages instead...

 

Grade A (superior): 4 points

Grade B (above average/good): 3

Grade C (average): 2

Grade D (below average): 1

Grade F (fail!): 0

 

Presto

Grade point average: 2.45

Other stats: 2 As, 2 Ds, no Fs

 

Bones

Grade point average: 1.6

Other: 1 A, 2 Ds, 3Fs

 

Presto’s the winner even with a not too impressive GPA

 

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Roll the Bones;

 

Dreamline > Show Don't Tell

Bravado > Chain lighting

Roll the Bones < The Pass

Face Up < War Paint

Where's my thing? > Scars

The Big Wheel < Superconductor

Heresey > Anagram (for Mongo)

Ghost of a Chance > Red Tide

Neurotica > Hand over First

You bet your Life < Available Light

 

So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4

 

And that's the way I see it!

I don't disagree with that breakdown, but I still prefer Presto as an album...which strikes me as weird.
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It's close. I actually quite enjoy both albums. I'd give the edge to Roll the Bones for a more consistent showing.

 

By track:

 

Presto (GPA 2.25)

Show Don't Tell: B-

Chain Lightning: B

The Pass: A

War Paint: F

Scars: D

Presto: C-

Superconductor: B-

Anagram: B

Red Tide: C+

Hand Over Fist: C

Available Light: C+

 

Roll the Bones (GPA 2.51)

Dreamline: B+

Bravado: A-

Roll the Bones: B+

Face Up: D

Where's My Thing: C+

The Big Wheel: B-

Heresy: B+

Ghost of a Chance: B-

Neurotica: C-

You Bet Your Life: D+

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RTB and Vapor Trails (and I would argue Clockwork) have opposite production problems....RTB is as soft and light and non-crunchy as the other two are too loud and an unrelenting assault on the ears with every instrument turned up to 11
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Roll the Bones;

 

Dreamline > Show Don't Tell

Bravado > Chain lighting

Roll the Bones < The Pass

Face Up < War Paint

Where's my thing? > Scars

The Big Wheel < Superconductor

Heresey > Anagram (for Mongo)

Ghost of a Chance > Red Tide

Neurotica > Hand over First

You bet your Life < Available Light

 

So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4

 

And that's the way I see it!

I don't disagree with that breakdown, but I still prefer Presto as an album...which strikes me as weird.

 

I think it may be the Sound/ Mixing of the Album. I think Presto Sounds better.... I think? :scared:

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