lifeson90 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 As the years went by i grew to love Heresy Scars is one of my fav Rush tracks, both great albums but thank god for Counterparts Presto just about edges it but onlybecause of sound quality. RTB just a bit too tinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 What's interesting about this poll of which album 'Presto' or 'Roll The Bones' is a favorite - both albums won Juno Awards for Best Hard Rock album. As well since both albums are produced by Rupert Hine, this related poll with comments would probably be posted on a SAGA band forum as well. SAGA fans would decide that either Worlds Apart (1981) or Heads or Tales (1983) is their favorite as both albums in a row were also produced by Rupert Hine. Since I'm not a diehard SAGA fan, the songs that got the radio airplay would be the only ones I care about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Slipperman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length. Not surprisingly, I'm mostly in agreement over this! :D I think I may in fact have a Top 3 Worst... that's the only difference !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Presto by a cavernous margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. You Bet Your Life is much worse than any of those. Peart trying to be playful and clever with those lyrics just doesn’t work for me. YBYL would have to be in my top 3 worst Rush tunes It’s in my top 1 worst Rush tunes. Tune, I guess. Awful, awful, awful. The only Rush song that I will always skip (or, since it’s the last one on the album, I always just think of RTB as an album with nine really good to great songs on it. To me, it is a 9-song album, and that’s it. And still, 43 minutes, perfectly fine length. It was my #1 for about 20 years. Up until that yodeling crap song off Clockwork Angels. Or was that off Snakes? Can’t even remember. Maybe it was off Snakes Edited July 8, 2019 by JohnnyBlaze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrailer Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Presto > RTB > that goddamn totem pole song Look Neil, you made Buddha barf: And this Aztec isn't too happy either:"Get me off your pole before I eat your heart." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Presto > RTB > that goddamn totem pole song Look Neil, you made Buddha barf: And this Aztec isn't too happy either:"Get me off your pole before I eat your heart." Totem feels like Rush is performing some other artist’s song. Below average for me, though not grotesque 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunted Witch Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Presto, but it's a close call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Slipperman Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 RTB. But Presto is fun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I love both, but Roll The Bones is almost 100% GOLD to me. I could see it being a top five album without Face Up, Neurotica and You Bet Your Life, but recently I've even come to enjoy those songs. All in all, RTB is high on my most played albums of the last two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I enjoy both. But RTB is a tale of two albums: One half great and the other half wildly mediocre. Its like after the good songwriting of Dreamline/Bravado/RTB/Ghost Of A Chance/WMT? the band just ran out of gas in the studio and coasted to fill the remaining space.And that weak-ass production. I didn't mind it on Presto but Hines wimpy mix job on RTB really sucked the potential out of the songs and gets on my nerves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) I'm not sure if this has been mentioned at all. I recall reading an interview with Stevie Nicks around the period of her 1989 album The Other Side of the Mirror, which is produced by Rupert Hine. Apparently Nicks and Hine had a brief relationship that's mentioned here. It's noted that Stevie Nicks has written songs about the subject of 'sorcery' and 'mysticism', etc. I wonder if Rupert mentioned his relationship with Stevie to Neil, which possibly inspired the lyrics for 'Ghost Of A Chance'. Edited July 10, 2019 by RushFanForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrailer Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Presto > RTB > that goddamn totem pole song Look Neil, you made Buddha barf: And this Aztec isn't too happy either:"Get me off your pole before I eat your heart." Totem feels like Rush is performing some other artist’s song. Below average for me, though not grotesque Musically reasonable, lyrically stunted.Like something Lynn V Andrews would throw up. Or KJ Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Roll the Bones; Dreamline > Show Don't TellBravado > Chain lightingRoll the Bones < The PassFace Up < War PaintWhere's my thing? > ScarsThe Big Wheel < SuperconductorHeresey > Anagram (for Mongo)Ghost of a Chance > Red TideNeurotica > Hand over FirstYou bet your Life < Available Light So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4 And that's the way I see it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke: Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke: Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat! I always thought the drums on Scars sounded programmed, but never looked into it. Neil at his most atomically metronomic! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Roll the Bones; Dreamline > Show Don't TellBravado > Chain lightingRoll the Bones < The PassFace Up < War PaintWhere's my thing? > ScarsThe Big Wheel < SuperconductorHeresey > Anagram (for Mongo)Ghost of a Chance > Red TideNeurotica > Hand over FirstYou bet your Life < Available Light So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4 And that's the way I see it! Here's mine Show Don't Tell > DreamlineChain Lightning > BravadoThe Pass < Roll The BonesWar Paint > Face Up (only one that's pretty close for me)Scars < Where's My ThingPresto > The Big WheelSuperconductor > HeresyAnagram (For Mongo) < Ghost Of A ChanceRed Tide > NeuroticaHand Over Fist > You Bet Your Lifeand Available Light > anything from either album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Presto. It has more good songs and nothing quite as bad as Heresy.I don't know I think Superconductor and Scars are worse than that. Scars in particular is bad but not as awful as Heresy for me.Scars makes me think that they were smoking something really bad that week in the studio. :smoke: Not Neil Pat. Are you serious? Neil's drumming is fuckking incredible on that song. "Presto" album destroys "Roll The Bones." "Face Up" Ass down Pat!The drums would be fine if they didn't sound like Tupperware in a wind tunnel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Roll the Bones; Dreamline > Show Don't TellBravado > Chain lightingRoll the Bones < The PassFace Up < War PaintWhere's my thing? > ScarsThe Big Wheel < SuperconductorHeresey > Anagram (for Mongo)Ghost of a Chance > Red TideNeurotica > Hand over FirstYou bet your Life < Available Light So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4 And that's the way I see it! Here's mine Show Don't Tell > DreamlineChain Lightning > BravadoThe Pass < Roll The BonesWar Paint > Face Up (only one that's pretty close for me)Scars < Where's My ThingPresto > The Big WheelSuperconductor > HeresyAnagram (For Mongo) < Ghost Of A ChanceRed Tide > NeuroticaHand Over Fist > You Bet Your Lifeand Available Light > anything from either album I didn’t line them up that way because...they don’t line up - 11 tunes to 10. So, I got their grade point averages instead... Grade A (superior): 4 points Grade B (above average/good): 3Grade C (average): 2Grade D (below average): 1Grade F (fail!): 0 Presto Grade point average: 2.45Other stats: 2 As, 2 Ds, no Fs BonesGrade point average: 1.6Other: 1 A, 2 Ds, 3Fs Presto’s the winner even with a not too impressive GPA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Roll the Bones; Dreamline > Show Don't TellBravado > Chain lightingRoll the Bones < The PassFace Up < War PaintWhere's my thing? > ScarsThe Big Wheel < SuperconductorHeresey > Anagram (for Mongo)Ghost of a Chance > Red TideNeurotica > Hand over FirstYou bet your Life < Available Light So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4 And that's the way I see it!I don't disagree with that breakdown, but I still prefer Presto as an album...which strikes me as weird. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenJennings Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) It's close. I actually quite enjoy both albums. I'd give the edge to Roll the Bones for a more consistent showing. By track: Presto (GPA 2.25)Show Don't Tell: B-Chain Lightning: BThe Pass: AWar Paint: FScars: DPresto: C-Superconductor: B-Anagram: BRed Tide: C+Hand Over Fist: CAvailable Light: C+ Roll the Bones (GPA 2.51)Dreamline: B+Bravado: A-Roll the Bones: B+Face Up: DWhere's My Thing: C+The Big Wheel: B-Heresy: B+Ghost of a Chance: B-Neurotica: C-You Bet Your Life: D+ Edited July 12, 2019 by KenJennings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 If any Rush song needed to be re recorded with a beefed up sound, Face Up is one of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoble Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 RTB and Vapor Trails (and I would argue Clockwork) have opposite production problems....RTB is as soft and light and non-crunchy as the other two are too loud and an unrelenting assault on the ears with every instrument turned up to 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Roll the Bones; Dreamline > Show Don't TellBravado > Chain lightingRoll the Bones < The PassFace Up < War PaintWhere's my thing? > ScarsThe Big Wheel < SuperconductorHeresey > Anagram (for Mongo)Ghost of a Chance > Red TideNeurotica > Hand over FirstYou bet your Life < Available Light So Roll the Bones wins out 6 to 4 And that's the way I see it!I don't disagree with that breakdown, but I still prefer Presto as an album...which strikes me as weird. I think it may be the Sound/ Mixing of the Album. I think Presto Sounds better.... I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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