Steve Smith Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I sort of get the similarity with Heartbreaker and Working Man but totally different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Well i have to go for Working Man because a bit more uptempo where as Dazed and Confused can be a bit plodding and Page ripped it off some folk singer whose name escapes me.He did that once or twice.Question:Did Alex use the Violin bow on By Tor ,it sounds like it on ATWAS,but it may be just using the volume knob or pedal.Well i have to go for Working Man because a bit more uptempo where as Dazed and Confused can be a bit plodding and Page ripped it off some folk singer whose name escapes me.He did that once or twice.Question:Did Alex use the Violin bow on By Tor ,it sounds like it on ATWAS,but it may be just using the volume knob or pedal. I prefer Nigel Tuffnel's guitar solo when he was using the violin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasbo Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Yes Nigel beats ,rips,burns Pagey and Alex hands down.He has a better guitar collection too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Working Man is leading in votes 16:5??? To be fair I am shocked. Alex Lifeson woud be also shocked seeing this result! Edited February 8, 2017 by Texas King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvan Alex Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Dazed and Confused wins my vote because it's been one of my current favorite Led Zeppelin tracks. "Working Man" is just Ok, and being a Rush fan their debut album has really been sounding worse in recent years (meaning Rush). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 How in the hell can someone accuse Rush of stealing Working Man when Dazed isn't even a Led Zep song ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Working Man is leading in votes 16:5??? To be fair I am shocked. Alex Lifeson woud be also shocked seeing this result!Well, it's far from Zep's best track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 How in the hell can someone accuse Rush of stealing Working Man when Dazed isn't even a Led Zep song ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDcCoincidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Working Man is leading in votes 16:5??? To be fair I am shocked. Alex Lifeson woud be also shocked seeing this result! How is this shocking ?? .. It's a Rush forum And Working Man has been a beloved song for 40 years - Geddy has said it is his favorite song to play live 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 On Jake Holmes, the writer of Dazed And Confused : In August 1967, Holmes opened for The Yardbirds at a Greenwich Village gig in New York.[8] According to Holmes, "That was the infamous moment of my life when Dazed and Confused fell into the loving arms and hands of Jimmy Page."[7] When "Dazed and Confused" appeared in Led Zeppelin's album in 1969, Holmes was aware of it but didn't follow up on it at that time. He said: "In the early 1980s, I did write them a letter and I said basically: 'I understand it's a collaborative effort, but I think you should give me credit at least and some remuneration.' But they never contacted me."[7] In June 2010, Holmes brought suit against Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page for copyright infringement, claiming to have written and recorded "Dazed and Confused" two years before it appeared on Led Zeppelin's debut album. In court documents Holmes cited a 1967 copyright registration for "Dazed and Confused" which was renewed in 1995.[8] This court case was "dismissed with prejudice",[9] as the parties settled out of court in January 2012.[10] So now, could someone point me to who Rush stole Working man from ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 So now, could someone point me to who Rush stole Working man from ??as I understand it, Working Man is loosely based on this Huey Lewis hit... But I could be wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddlimelight Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's amazing how Zeppelin got away with stealing other people's songs early in their career. Listen to YouTube: Zeppelin plagiarism and you'll see that they stole many songs from artists including Jake Holmes (total blatant ripoff of Dazed and Confused), and Joan Baez (total complete ripoff of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You). Zep stole early blues/folk songs and turned them heavier. So, once again, Rush has my vote. In fact, Rush wrote every single one of their songs (NOT ONE COVER), for the first 30 years of their career! Not until Feedback did they ever commercially release a cover tune! Lots of respect there. Not even the Beatles, Stones or Zep do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatribein Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) In fact, Rush wrote every single one of their songs (NOT ONE COVER), for the first 30 years of their career! Not until Feedback did they ever commercially release a cover tune! Lots of respect there. Not even the Beatles, Stones or Zep do that! Well, that's not true! Or do you not know that their first ever single was a cover of the Buddy Holly song Not Fade Away? Don't believe me? Have a look at wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia...ade_Away_(song) Edited February 9, 2017 by diatribein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's amazing how Zeppelin got away with stealing other people's songs early in their career. Listen to YouTube: Zeppelin plagiarism and you'll see that they stole many songs from artists including Jake Holmes (total blatant ripoff of Dazed and Confused), and Joan Baez (total complete ripoff of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You). Zep stole early blues/folk songs and turned them heavier. So, once again, Rush has my vote. In fact, Rush wrote every single one of their songs (NOT ONE COVER), for the first 30 years of their career! Not until Feedback did they ever commercially release a cover tune! Lots of respect there. Not even the Beatles, Stones or Zep do that! I think you are being a bit unfair here IMHO. Every Brit band from the 60's showed and owed a hell of a lot to the influence of American Rock and Roll and Blues music. I think taking influences then creating your own sound and style has always been part of innovation in music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Yes Nigel beats ,rips,burns Pagey and Alex hands down.He has a better guitar collection too. But I think it would sound better in Dobly Alex, Page, Clapton and even Hendrix never had a Speedometer on their guitar like Nigel. And Tuffnel also writes wonderful emotive sad beautiful ballads on piano like "Lick my love pump" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Yes Nigel beats ,rips,burns Pagey and Alex hands down.He has a better guitar collection too. And also as I am sure you will be aware, that all new Marshall amplifiers go up to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Dazed and Confused, though I think it's probably only the 5th best song on the debut. Zep's first is so much better than Rush's first in every conceivable way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 How in the hell can someone accuse Rush of stealing Working Man when Dazed isn't even a Led Zep song ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc Wow, thank god Page got inspired by that song and didn't merely cover it. It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well Rush were very influenced by Zep in the early days, but then Neil came in after John Rutsey and blew Alex' and Geddy's mind and they started to follow a Prog direction XXXX Got your member title right there: Captain Obvious. These verbal slaps are starting to hurt Tony!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony R Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well Rush were very influenced by Zep in the early days, but then Neil came in after John Rutsey and blew Alex' and Geddy's mind and they started to follow a Prog direction XXXX Got your member title right there: Captain Obvious. These verbal slaps are starting to hurt Tony!! Good. Trolls need a slapping from time to time. Keeps them honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Arguments on plagiarism/inspiration/innovation aside, I prefer Dazed and Confused to Working Man overall, although I really love the instrumental middle section in Working Man much more, so it's nearly a tie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well Rush were very influenced by Zep in the early days, but then Neil came in after John Rutsey and blew Alex' and Geddy's mind and they started to follow a Prog direction XXXX Got your member title right there: Captain Obvious. These verbal slaps are starting to hurt Tony!! Good. Trolls need a slapping from time to time. Keeps them honest. I'm not a troll :( :( An arsehole and dickhead yes, but not a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Arguments on plagiarism/inspiration/innovation aside, I prefer Dazed and Confused to Working Man overall, although I really love the instrumental middle section in Working Man much more, so it's nearly a tie. Why do we have to have these polls? It is all subjective surely? A bit pointless but what the hell do I know? I love Rush maybe more than Zep but both are great bands. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well Rush were very influenced by Zep in the early days, but then Neil came in after John Rutsey and blew Alex' and Geddy's mind and they started to follow a Prog direction XXXX Got your member title right there: Captain Obvious. These verbal slaps are starting to hurt Tony!! Good. Trolls need a slapping from time to time. Keeps them honest. I'm not a troll :( :( An arsehole and dickhead yes, but not a troll Also for all of my faults and failings you will never find a more honest bloke than me Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well Rush were very influenced by Zep in the early days, but then Neil came in after John Rutsey and blew Alex' and Geddy's mind and they started to follow a Prog direction XXXX Got your member title right there: Captain Obvious. These verbal slaps are starting to hurt Tony!! Good. Trolls need a slapping from time to time. Keeps them honest. I'm not a troll :( :( An arsehole and dickhead yes, but not a troll Also for all of my faults and failings you will never find a more honest bloke than me Tony Tony is not looking for honesty in his relationships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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