Lurkst Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Why are we even talking about this? What accusations? Never heard of this bs...In the late 70's a British critic, I think writing for the NME, implied that the members of Rush were fascist for promoting the writings of Ayn Rand. I am very fuzzy on the details. I think the OP is confused. This was the chap... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Aubrey Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Who are these people? It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Sorry folks this thread has been hijacked by someone calling himself MaverickBut you're not answering the question. Exactly who is saying this? Do you have links? Please tell me this isn't from the 70s.So you're a troll then? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Who are these people? It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell.When was that? 1976? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Here's an article about Barry Miles' "New Music Express" article https://rushvault.com/2011/07/27/barry-miles-big-mistake/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I've never heard such a thing. Nor do I understand why being a white supremacist would be associated with Ayn Rand in any way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Here's part of it .. Click on it to make it BIG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand. Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please? So can we please put this to bed ?? I can't remember this ever being awake, and if ever it was it was decades ago... In other words, this is the first time I've heard of this, but I'm leaving open the possibility that somebody tried to make an issue of it some years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Editor’s note: Near the middle of the first column on the second page of Barry Miles’ 1978 interview with Neil, Geddy, and Alex, in which he links Rush’s philosophy to “proto-fascism” and makes allusions to Nazism, he quotes a Nazi slogan “Work makes us free” and then says, “Shades of the 1,000-year Reich.” That passage is circled in red on the image and transcribed below. Barry Miles: Do you really think [young English protestors are] a product of socialism? Neil: “Yeah! What else? What are they fighting against if they’re not fighting that?” Miles: Fighting against socialism? I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Neil: “Yeah! Why is there no future in England? What other reason is there? I really think that’s the root of it. You could find all sorts of fancy answers but when it comes right down to the root of it, the reason that these kids are growing up and feeling that there’s no future for them is because there simply isn’t. If they don’t join the union, and go to work with all their mates, then they’re lost. There’s nothing else they can do.” Miles: I didn’t really see how there would be much else for them to do under a capitalist free-for-all such as he was advocating. I said that the multi-national corporations—the most developed form of capitalism—infringed human rights all the time. This annoyed Neil, who responded, “How? By giving you a job? You can just quit!” So now I understood the freedom he was talking about: freedom for employers and those with money to do what they like and freedom for the workers to quit (and starve) or not. Work makes us free. Didn’t I remember that idea from somewhere? “Work makes us free.” Oh, yes, it was written over the main gateway to Auschwitz concentration camp. Neil: “You have to have principles that firmly apply in every single situation. I think a country has to be run that way. That you have a guiding set of principles that are absolutely immutable—can never be changed by anything. That’s the only way!” Miles: (Shades of the 1000-year Reich.) . . Edited January 10, 2017 by Lucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I've never heard anyone call Neil a racist, until this thread. I don't think this is a real issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueschica Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Didn't Geddy just talk about that interview in the Time Stand Still movie? Or was it another Youtube video I watched recently? (Sorry I'm not better at referencing my source.) He explains how that NME reporter sat down to do an interview with them and they even bought him a couple of beers and they thought things were going well- that Neil was just talking a little philosophy and the guy seemed to be kind of OK with it. Then the NME article came out and they got some backlash from people that didn't understand Geddy and Alex's backgrounds. Edited January 10, 2017 by blueschica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Who are these people? It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell. Yup. It's a topic that was put to bed in the last century. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent-Rush Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! The logic of a woman. This is why broads shouldn't be allowed to vote. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! The logic of a woman. This is why broads shouldn't be allowed to vote. http://i.imgur.com/ouURm6J.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueschica Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! The logic of a woman. This is why broads shouldn't be allowed to vote. How about us wimmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 If this was something talked about in the late 70s and hasn't been an issue since then, why should anybody care about it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 He's a man with back ache. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand. This is bullshit!!!!! Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please? Firstly Neil is a humanitarian who believes in freewill and equality for all of our human race. Secondly, Gary's family are Polish Jews who fled the oppression of the Nazi's before WW2 So can we please put this to bed ??Racist or not, I loved your work with Journey. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) ?Never heard any such accusation in my 35 years of Rush addictionI am 100 percent with Johnny! Ridiculous! I've been addicted to RUSH for 36 years! Edited January 10, 2017 by RUSHHEAD666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand. This is bullshit!!!!! Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please? Firstly Neil is a humanitarian who believes in freewill and equality for all of our human race. Secondly, Gary's family are Polish Jews who fled the oppression of the Nazi's before WW2 So can we please put this to bed ??They were accused of this in the gutter music press in the late 70's and early 80's. The twisted minds took it for their own ends when there were racial problems in the UK and US circa 1980 Just for my clarity, you came on a message forum in 2017 to put to bed something some unnamed source said in the 1970s? How do people have this much free time? What am I doing wrong in my life? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordgalaxy Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Thread of the Year!!!Way too early for that award. Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! The logic of a woman. This is why broads shouldn't be allowed to vote. This is tantamount to liking a football team because "their uniforms are cute". Edited January 10, 2017 by Fordgalaxy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent-Rush Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) I think this, and the other 3 threads should be taken down before they get out of hand. What does 73 make of this?? Edited January 10, 2017 by GotNeilPeart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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