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Why are we even talking about this? What accusations? Never heard of this bs...

In the late 70's a British critic, I think writing for the NME, implied that the members of Rush were fascist for promoting the writings of Ayn Rand. I am very fuzzy on the details. I think the OP is confused.

 

This was the chap...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Miles

 

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Who are these people?

 

It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell.

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Sorry folks this thread has been hijacked by someone calling himself Maverick

But you're not answering the question. Exactly who is saying this? Do you have links? Please tell me this isn't from the 70s.

So you're a troll then? Ok

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Who are these people?

 

It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell.

When was that? 1976?

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I've never heard such a thing. Nor do I understand why being a white supremacist would be associated with Ayn Rand in any way.
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There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand.

 

Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please?

 

So can we please put this to bed ??

 

I can't remember this ever being awake, and if ever it was it was decades ago...

:eh:

 

In other words, this is the first time I've heard of this, but I'm leaving open the possibility that somebody tried to make an issue of it some years ago.

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Editor’s note: Near the middle of the first column on the second page of Barry Miles’ 1978 interview with Neil, Geddy, and Alex, in which he links Rush’s philosophy to “proto-fascism” and makes allusions to Nazism, he quotes a Nazi slogan “Work makes us free” and then says, “Shades of the 1,000-year Reich.” That passage is circled in red on the image and transcribed below.

 

 

 

Barry Miles: Do you really think [young English protestors are] a product of socialism?

 

Neil: “Yeah! What else? What are they fighting against if they’re not fighting that?”

 

Miles: Fighting against socialism? I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

 

Neil: “Yeah! Why is there no future in England? What other reason is there? I really think that’s the root of it. You could find all sorts of fancy answers but when it comes right down to the root of it, the reason that these kids are growing up and feeling that there’s no future for them is because there simply isn’t. If they don’t join the union, and go to work with all their mates, then they’re lost. There’s nothing else they can do.”

 

Miles: I didn’t really see how there would be much else for them to do under a capitalist free-for-all such as he was advocating. I said that the multi-national corporations—the most developed form of capitalism—infringed human rights all the time. This annoyed Neil, who responded, “How? By giving you a job? You can just quit!” So now I understood the freedom he was talking about: freedom for employers and those with money to do what they like and freedom for the workers to quit (and starve) or not. Work makes us free. Didn’t I remember that idea from somewhere? “Work makes us free.” Oh, yes, it was written over the main gateway to Auschwitz concentration camp.

 

Neil: “You have to have principles that firmly apply in every single situation. I think a country has to be run that way. That you have a guiding set of principles that are absolutely immutable—can never be changed by anything. That’s the only way!”

 

Miles: (Shades of the 1000-year Reich.)

 

 

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Didn't Geddy just talk about that interview in the Time Stand Still movie? Or was it another Youtube video I watched recently? (Sorry I'm not better at referencing my source.) He explains how that NME reporter sat down to do an interview with them and they even bought him a couple of beers and they thought things were going well- that Neil was just talking a little philosophy and the guy seemed to be kind of OK with it. Then the NME article came out and they got some backlash from people that didn't understand Geddy and Alex's backgrounds. Edited by blueschica
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Who are these people?

 

It stems from Neil's quote in the 2112 credits "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand." The knuckleheads at NME (New Musical Express, a British Rolling Stone-type magazine) accused Rush of being neo-Nazis as they equated Randian philosophy with Nationalist Socialism in a nasty little screed which I'm not going to give the dignity of quoting it here. That's it in a nutshell.

 

Yup. It's a topic that was put to bed in the last century.

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There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand.

 

This is bullshit!!!!!

 

Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please?

 

Firstly Neil is a humanitarian who believes in freewill and equality for all of our human race.

 

Secondly, Gary's family are Polish Jews who fled the oppression of the Nazi's before WW2

 

So can we please put this to bed ??

Racist or not, I loved your work with Journey.
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There have been a lot of accusations about Neil supporting white supremacists and Arian organisations because of his readings of Ayn Rand.

 

This is bullshit!!!!!

 

Can we please put this disgraceful slur to bed please?

 

Firstly Neil is a humanitarian who believes in freewill and equality for all of our human race.

 

Secondly, Gary's family are Polish Jews who fled the oppression of the Nazi's before WW2

 

So can we please put this to bed ??

They were accused of this in the gutter music press in the late 70's and early 80's. The twisted minds took it for their own ends when there were racial problems in the UK and US circa 1980

 

Just for my clarity, you came on a message forum in 2017 to put to bed something some unnamed source said in the 1970s?

 

How do people have this much free time? What am I doing wrong in my life?

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Thread of the Year!!!

Way too early for that award.

 

 

Neil can never be a racist, he is to cute!! :heart:

The logic of a woman. This is why broads shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

This is tantamount to liking a football team because "their uniforms are cute".

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