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  1. QUOTE (billybobjoe1881 @ Oct 4 2012, 09:31 PM) QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Oct 4 2012, 07:16 AM) QUOTE (Gemari77 @ Oct 4 2012, 09:38 AM) The problem comes in when tickets are purchased months in advance, and you have no idea that the band is going to ignore almost all of their most well known songs. That's going to happen with older bands that are still making new music, still experimenting, still striving to keep their careers fresh and exciting. One can buy tickets to a KISS concert a year in advance and know exactly what will be played. Can't do that with Rush or any other band that's still putting out new music. Kiss is releasing a new album on tuesday. From what I am hearing...it is not too bad at all. I bet KISS sells-out all over the place after this release.
  2. QUOTE (hermy @ Oct 5 2012, 10:48 AM) QUOTE (rocketom @ Oct 5 2012, 09:46 AM) There will Not be a 40th anniversary tour. Well said!! Nada...Nothing.....Enjoy the here and now! R40 is indeed a fantasy.
  3. QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Oct 5 2012, 09:21 AM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Oct 4 2012, 12:37 PM) QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Oct 4 2012, 11:48 AM) The OP brings up some good points about how concert goers get used to hearing the hits live because a lot of calssic rock bands do just that tour after tour. But I think Rush is a little guilty of letting fans think that they'll be playing the hits just as much as any other classic rock band. The reason I say this is because of the setlists they've done for the VT, R30 and TM tours. Three out of the last four tours before the current one started have had setlists that have a good amount of hits in them. Especially with playing all of MP last tour, it's not unreasonable for some fans to think that they'll have another tour where the big songs will be featured as opposed to the new album. Now obviously these "fans" aren't aware that Rush isn't a nostalgia band like the ones you've mentioned. But most of the setlists they've done over the last decade of touring can easily lead a lot of people to believe that they are. Agreed! First let me say I Love this setlist expect for the use of Working Man. Now that said, during the past few tours they have made us expect to hear at least 6 staples and at least 1 to 2 Epics. This current tour has absolutley no Epics and only 3 staples and one of them (TSOR) is on shaky grounds. Most fans, casual, die-hards, and newbies included have grown to expect at least 6 of these songs since the T4E tour. We have been accustomed to hearing: Tom Sawyer, The Spirit of Radio, Limelight, Freewill, 2112 O/T, YYZ, Closer to the Heart, and and at least one Epic. The lack of the latter has left many saying At this point I would only make a few changes to the setlist. First make TSOR and 2112 permanent fixtures in the Encore. Secondly, drop Working Man permanently and replace with any other Epic preferably Jacobs Ladder, Xanadu , Natural Science or even The Camera Eye again. Finally add Limelight after The Analog Kid. Oh, One more thing don't make the fans have to choose between the gems, have The Body Electric, Middletown Dreams, and Manhattan Project in the sets permanently, its easy all you have to do is to place Middletown Dreams after Territories (The first set is too short anyway). Additionally, keep Manhattan Project permanently in its slot during the second set. Play around with Red Sector A/ Dreamline as alternates. Honestly, they should never touch TS, TSOR , LL or 2112. These songs are essentials at a RUSH show now. Additionally, Just the addition of one Epic would change the setlist for the best. Below is the setlist I would like to see: Its very realistic: Set 1: Subdivisions The Big Money Force 10 Grand Design The Body Electric (Made Permanent) Territories Middletown Dreams (Added and Made Permanent) Bravado/ The Pass The Analog Kid (Moved down 2 Slots) Limelight (Added) Where's My Thing? Far Cry Set 2: Caravan BU2B (Replaced Wish them Well) Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities of Gold (Made Permanent) The Wreckers Headlong Flight Manhattamn Project (Made permanent) The Percussor (drum solo) Red Sector A/ Dreamline (New Alternates) YYZ Xanadu (Replaces Working Man) Encore: The Spirit of Radio (Made Permanent) Tom Sawyer 2112 O/T/F Nice, my personal tweeking of the current set would be something like this: Set One: Subdivisions The Big Money Force Ten Grand Designs The Body Electric Territorries New World Man The Analog Kid Bravado Where's My Thing? Limelight Set Two: Caravan Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Red Barchetta Seven Cities Of Gold The Weckers Headlong Flight The Garden Manhattan Project Xanadu Hemispheres: Prelude/YYZ The Spirit Of Radio Tom Sawyer Overture/Temples/Grand Finale With the first set only being ten songs I figured adding in NWM which is short wouldn't hurt the time of the set too bad. Plus, it fits the whole 80s theme of the first set and after playing three rarely played deep cuts there are a lot of people in the crowd who could use a wake up call by hearing a song they know. Far Cry just seems out of place and I feel it's better to end the first set with a big song and Limelight fits that perfectly. It's good that they're playing a lot of new stuff but playing it for an hour straight isn't a good idea. There's a lot of people going to the shows who aren't familiar enough with CA or haven't even bought it at all. That's why throwing something like Red Barchetta in the middle or the new stuff will help keep a lot of people from tuning out due to hearing a lot of material they're not familiar with. Adding in Xanadu and Prelude is just a way to acknowledge a part of their career they're ignoring this tour. Like others have said there would be less bitching if the 70s stuff was represented a little better. We know that Geddy can't sing the bulk of that material anymore but AFTK and Hemispheres should at least be represented every tour. They're too important to the bands history and too loved by the fanbase for them to not be doing at least a little something from them. I agree with your comments regarding the new material. The new material could have been "sprinkled" throughout the set without losing any sort of flow. Yes it is a "concept" album, but not so much of one that songs had to be played back-to-back to make any sort of impact. I personally would have gone to a second show on this tour if they would have spread the CA material out over the course of the entire show. I really hope that on future tours they refrain from doing that.
  4. QUOTE (ALifeson85 @ Oct 4 2012, 04:09 PM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 4 2012, 11:24 AM) CASUAL fan TRUE fan HARDCORE Fan "Casual" fan = Someone who only knows Rush, solely because of the songs they hear on the radio, but don't really bother to dig deeper into their catalogue. "True"/"Hardcore" fan = Someone who owns just about, if not ALL of the band's music, and would recognize every (or just about every) song, if it were played to them. Ok...thank you...put me down as a Hardcore fan that was a "lil" disappointed with the CA Tour.
  5. QUOTE (losingit2k @ Oct 4 2012, 01:37 PM) QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Oct 4 2012, 11:48 AM) The OP brings up some good points about how concert goers get used to hearing the hits live because a lot of calssic rock bands do just that tour after tour. But I think Rush is a little guilty of letting fans think that they'll be playing the hits just as much as any other classic rock band. The reason I say this is because of the setlists they've done for the VT, R30 and TM tours. Three out of the last four tours before the current one started have had setlists that have a good amount of hits in them. Especially with playing all of MP last tour, it's not unreasonable for some fans to think that they'll have another tour where the big songs will be featured as opposed to the new album. Now obviously these "fans" aren't aware that Rush isn't a nostalgia band like the ones you've mentioned. But most of the setlists they've done over the last decade of touring can easily lead a lot of people to believe that they are. Agreed! First let me say I Love this setlist expect for the use of Working Man. Now that said, during the past few tours they have made us expect to hear at least 6 staples and at least 1 to 2 Epics. This current tour has absolutley no Epics and only 3 staples and one of them (TSOR) is on shaky grounds. Most fans, casual, die-hards, and newbies included have grown to expect at least 6 of these songs since the T4E tour. We have been accustomed to hearing: Tom Sawyer, The Spirit of Radio, Limelight, Freewill, 2112 O/T, YYZ, Closer to the Heart, and and at least one Epic. The lack of the latter has left many saying At this point I would only make a few changes to the setlist. First make TSOR and 2112 permanent fixtures in the Encore. Secondly, drop Working Man permanently and replace with any other Epic preferably Jacobs Ladder, Xanadu or Natural Science. Finally drop Far Cry, how ever much I love that song, and replace with Limelight. Oh One more thing don't make the fans have to choose between the gems, have The Body Electric, Middletown Dreams, and Manhattan Project in the sets permanently, its easy all you have to do is to place Middletown Dreams before Bravado/ The Pass (The first set is a song short anyway). Additionally, keep Manhattan Project permanently in its slot during the second set. Play around with Red Sector A/ Dreamline as alternates. Honestly, they should never touch TS, TSOR , LL or 2112. These songs are essentials at a RUSH show now. Additionally, Just the addition of one Epic would change the setlist for the best. Below is the setlist I would like to see: Its very realistic: Set 1: Subdivisions The Big Money Force 10 Grand Design The Body Electric (Made Permanent) Territories Middletown Dreams (Made Permanent)Bravado/ The Pass (Moved up one slot) The Analog Kid (Moved down 2 Slots) Where's My Thing? Limelight (Replaces Far Cry) Set 2: Caravan BU2B (Replaced Wish them Well) Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Halo Effect Seven Cities of Gold (Made Permanent) The Wreckers Headlong Flight Manhattamn Project (Made permanent) Red Sector A/ Dreamline (New Alternates) YYZ Xanadu (Replaces Working Man) Encore: The Spirit of Radio (Made Permanent) Tom Sawyer 2112 O/T/F Love it!
  6. QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Oct 4 2012, 12:48 PM) The OP brings up some good points about how concert goers get used to hearing the hits live because a lot of calssic rock bands do just that tour after tour. But I think Rush is a little guilty of letting fans think that they'll be playing the hits just as much as any other classic rock band. The reason I say this is because of the setlists they've done for the VT, R30 and TM tours. Three out of the last four tours before the current one started have had setlists that have a good amount of hits in them. Especially with playing all of MP last tour, it's not unreasonable for some fans to think that they'll have another tour where the big songs will be featured as opposed to the new album. Now obviously these "fans" aren't aware that Rush isn't a nostalgia band like the ones you've mentioned. But most of the setlists they've done over the last decade of touring can easily lead a lot of people to believe that they are. Could very well be. I guess that MY particular problem is that I had higher expectations for this tour - as with many others I am suspecting. I did not expect Xanadu, or even Jacobs Ladder - but at least two or more "concert classics" would have been nice. I will let it be.
  7. 1. Do we have any concrete figures for the current CA Tour? 2. I brought that Maiden reference in (sorry to have done that and I will certainly refrrain from it again) to demonstrate that RUSH is not the only band of significance bringing in the crowds. However, I do believe that they would have trouble coming close to selling out the larger stadiums around the globe. The USA is supposed to be THE Market for RUSH, not Maiden. Compare the RIO shows of both bands - 55,000 for one and 250,000 for the other. As a hint, the band from Canada was the smaller draw. Last time, I FRIGGEN LOVE RUSH AND ALWAYS WILL LOVE RUSH>>>>BUT THEY AIN"T ALL THAT........
  8. seriously? Ok...on a serious note...please someone..anyone...define the following: CASUAL fan TRUE fan HARDCORE Fan I am interested because I wish to know what category I fit in. Here are my credentials: Own everything they released (non-bootleg material only) studio or live Own all their DVDS Read all of Neil's Books Attended at least one show per tour since May 9, 1981 - sometimes multiple shows per tour IMO - the current CA Tour is their weakest to date and I cringe at the thought of having to sit through more of their videos. I really need to know what type of fan I am. Thank you in advance to all those who are all knowing.
  9. OMG!!!!!!!!! All hail the TRUE RUSH fan will never question or grumble about anything. Come to Pittsburgh and hear how the TRUE STEELERS Fan never complains about anything. Find me an authorized definition of a TRUE RUSH fan and I will give the above post merit....really now....Go buy yourself a sticker and paste on your forehead TRUE RUSH fan.....lol I am a RUSH fan and I have no problem voicing my little disappointment in the current tour. Any problems with that?
  10. Gotta love "fan polls." How many participated in the polls v. how many RUSH fans are out there? Is the sample a true representation of the entire RUSH fandom? I know I did not participate in the poll and I know of at least 100 other RUSH fans that did not as well. Once a person has this information, one can tell you what it really means. By the by - The Body Electric would be around 70 for me. Love the album - good tune...but no way....lol
  11. QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Oct 4 2012, 05:14 AM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 3 2012, 01:41 PM) The actual playing time is roughly around 2.5 hours. Which is just fine. The Show is exactly that - a SHOW. It's a spectacle. A concert experience - visually, musically, and even physically. The combination of music, video/visual effects, and pyrotechnics all combine for a great, great Show. 2.5 hours and 25 songs is plenty. It's more than anyone could/should expect from a band that's been playing for 40 years..... Yeah...it sucks that the average common person may work the same job for 40 years - 5 days a week and barely make enough coin to buy a retirement boat when it is all over. Boo hoo to the rock star.
  12. Those above mentioned bands still put out records...play their new stuff and play nostolgia material. I can name other bands that do the same and have very successful tours. I'm sorry, but I am of the opinion that if RUSH wishes to be successful "touring band," they gonna have conform a bit. Note: Iron just sold out a 50,00 seat stadium. Ever wonder why they are constantly a huge touring band? My guess is they know how to appease all their fans - even with new material sprinkled in their set. Plus, one doesn't have to pay top price for a close view (I paid $77.00 for pitt in presale - first "seats" offered - didn't have to do multiple attempts neither - last 4 tours it has been this way). No whining over there in getting seats.
  13. Yeah....AC/DC Black Ice Tour had no Bon Scott era tunes in the set....lol Either did Iron Maiden's Maiden England Tour....lol... Yup bands just ignore their early stuff...yup yup...dream more...
  14. QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 3 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 02:46 PM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 3 2012, 01:43 PM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 02:33 PM) The 70's are so 30 years ago...get over it people. Clockwork Angels is awesome! Yes it is...and we get a healthy dose of it. Throw us old people a bone or two and we be happy. C'mon Grendel--working man, or TSOR, 2112, that's the 70's right? What do you want to hear? Tell you what, I'll slip a note to Neil...now's your chance buddy Give me the order grendel Anything actually....make the set a bit more even...know what I mean? I love all the era's, but for me a great show has" eveness" to it. Indeed...this is a CA Tour...ok...we get that hit us with that awesome stuff. We got it! Ok...PoW is a kickass album and the synth era is significant. Got it! Sprinkle even amount of the classics (which this tour does not) and ya got something! RUSH likes to do things their way and that is very respectable. However, I have a hunch that if they are to remain a significant force in the touring world, they really need to even-out their set lists. I would start by avoiding the back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back...songs from same album. Mix it up and have some logic to the set. One can create a wonderful setlist without one era overpowering another and with some logical ordering. And for God's sake get rid of the friggen videos!!!!!!!!!!! Ya you mentioned the videos...how did you like the dwarve's? The Yukon Blade Grinder was pretty close with its reporting eh brotha man? OK, so you don't want all the CA back to back right? Done!!! Would you care for some Cygnus and Xanadu, with a side of Beneath, Between, Behind? Now for desert, how bout some--Lakeside Park? Something for Nothing? Done! I'll process this to Mr. Peart and get back with you ASAP Love TM None of that....replace video with classic stuff that they deleted - stuff that the average RUSH fan goes nuts for. Xanadu. Lakeside, etc....not necessary, but one long lost concert classic would be nice... Honestly, not really asking for much here and I suspect neither are the major dettractors of the current set. I loved the show myself, but will admit it is one of the weakest sets since HYF - IMO. Now...what can you do about dem Bills???????? Huh??????
  15. QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 02:46 PM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 3 2012, 01:43 PM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 02:33 PM) The 70's are so 30 years ago...get over it people. Clockwork Angels is awesome! Yes it is...and we get a healthy dose of it. Throw us old people a bone or two and we be happy. C'mon Grendel--working man, or TSOR, 2112, that's the 70's right? What do you want to hear? Tell you what, I'll slip a note to Neil...now's your chance buddy Give me the order grendel Anything actually....make the set a bit more even...know what I mean? I love all the era's, but for me a great show has" eveness" to it. Indeed...this is a CA Tour...ok...we get that hit us with that awesome stuff. We got it! Ok...PoW is a kickass album and the synth era is significant. Got it! Sprinkle even amount of the classics (which this tour does not) and ya got something! RUSH likes to do things their way and that is very respectable. However, I have a hunch that if they are to remain a significant force in the touring world, they really need to even-out their set lists. I would start by avoiding the back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back...songs from same album. Mix it up and have some logic to the set. One can create a wonderful setlist without one era overpowering another and with some logical ordering. And for God's sake get rid of the friggen videos!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Oct 3 2012, 02:33 PM) The 70's are so 30 years ago...get over it people. Clockwork Angels is awesome! Yes it is...and we get a healthy dose of it. Throw us old people a bone or two and we be happy.
  17. They are already playing 3+ hours.... What exactly tour/band are you making reference to? The actual playing time is roughly around 2.5 hours. Intermission is not counted as playing time. I am making reference to current RUSH CA Tour.
  18. QUOTE (limbo @ Oct 3 2012, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (drgrendel @ Oct 3 2012, 12:46 PM) Great posts on this thread so far. I cannot help to feel that if they would just get rid of those insipid videos before and in the middle of the shows the fans can be treated to more music. Perhaps 1 or 2 70's tunes....lol...as an example to appease the wanting. I personally believe it to to a waste of valuable concert time to show thoses vids. Sort of akin to Kevin Cronin of REO, STFU already Kevin and start playing! Know what I mean Vern?..... They were funny/cool the first couple of times they did them, now they are taking up space and time IMO. aaah Ernist to bad hes dead Yeah...that was great stuff...but would have gotten stale after a period of time. Only so much of that one could take over the years - sort of like Andrew Dice Clay and Rush concert video skits...... Sorry...couldn't help myself.
  19. Great posts on this thread so far. I cannot help to feel that if they would just get rid of those insipid videos before and in the middle of the shows the fans can be treated to more music. Perhaps 1 or 2 70's tunes....lol...as an example to appease the wanting. I personally believe it to to a waste of valuable concert time to show thoses vids. Sort of akin to Kevin Cronin of REO, STFU already Kevin and start playing! Know what I mean Vern?..... They were funny/cool the first couple of times they did them, now they are taking up space and time IMO.
  20. They are too interested in making stupid vids than rehearsing songs people love. Now that's real!
  21. QUOTE (Rick N. Backer @ Oct 2 2012, 12:59 PM) QUOTE (Leslie145 @ Oct 2 2012, 08:58 AM)7 - you want the same songs year after year? Go see the Rolling Stones. I don't know if you've actually seen them or not, but I saw them on the Steel Wheels tour in 1989, the Voodoo Lounge tour in 1994 and the 40 Licks tour in 2003 or 2004. Not only do they not play the same songs year after year, but, honestly, they probably have somewhere between 2 and 3 hours worth of songs that are practically the gold standard of rock music in terms of notoriety and influence. If they DID play the same songs every year, it would be understandable. Good to see facts posted as opposed to folks relying upon the "shotgun approach" to argumentation.
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