In A Tidewater Surge

These are also to draw discussion. Jazz is far too pretentious, as is prog, to be considered music IMO

QUOTE (fledgehog @ May 24 2011, 07:21 PM) To everyone who thinks rap is inferior because the music is less technical than rock: -first of all, the vast majority of mainstream rock, pop, and subgenres thereof are based on equally simplistic ostinato instrumental parts. and by discrediting the use of loops, samples, and synthesized beats, you're not only discrediting rap, but you're dissing every other form of electronic music there is (instrumental bands like Ozric Tentacles and Shpongle included). Most *GOOD* rap and hip-hop beats are heavily layered and extremely musically crafted, and if i sat you down behind a computer with a copy of Pro Tools and a good pair of studio monitors and told you to make a "simple repeated rap beat", i bet you'd have absolutely no idea where to start. -second of all, the rapping style of lyric delivery is incredibly difficult and very impressive when done correctly. It requires a knowledge of rhythm and a sense of time that is arguably greater than the rhythmic understanding required to sing a song of some other genre. Because, with some exceptions, there is no melody, the choice of words and the crafting of the line, stanza and entire song becomes far more important. it's just like writing a good melodic line, except without the melody, and good rappers make extensive use of syncopation and interesting rhythms. -third of all, most, if not all genres of lyric music are, at the core, people "talking about their problems". country (which gets a lot of flack around here too), folk, blues, and to an extent, vocal jazz, are all centered around a narrative, balladic style of songwriting. while some genres like metal and progressive rock branch out into more abstract subjects, keep in mind where they came from, and also keep in mind that even among abstract lyrics and science-fiction epic stories, the BEST are the ones that have some sort of first-hand sincerity behind them. How is rap any different? -and finally, comparing rap to a genre like rock or prog is not fair in the slightest. They are polar opposites stylistically. There is no way to claim that one genre requires "more skill" than another (and be correct about it). Okay, so a class-act rapper may not be able to sit down and churn out Natural Science, but likewise, Geddy Lee would be equally as bad at writing even a single verse of rap that has a good flow, fits the music, and comes out sounding confident and well-executed. It's like the age-old debate between jazz musicians and classical musicians...both require their own unique skill set, and neither requires more skill than the other. this thread literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. i will no longer be responding to it. and i'm sure those of you who think that my logical, well-reasoned arguments are 'pretentious" will be glad for that, but i really couldn't give two f*cks whether or not i make you happy. Pretentious tw**

1972 and you're trying to call it the original prog rock?

I don't listen to rap, you're just an idiot.

Really..?

QUOTE (fledgehog @ May 24 2011, 07:04 PM) tell me about it songs that are more than 20 minutes? who even has that kind of attention span? there's no emotional depth to prog music, the lyrics are always bloated science-fiction crap. it's not so much "music" as it is instrumental masturbation. and don't forget, you can't spell horrible without an o and an r, which also both happen to be in the word "prog" . Classical, metal, fusion and folk are all better genres because I said so, and my opinion is fact. everyone who disagrees with me is pretentious

Most of it is shit with a bunch of old guys who have nothing better to do than blow on their sax or pound their drums.

Silas, your mother was a drunk, wasn't she?

As far as I can tell it's just a bunch of pretentious wankers with no idea of what a good song is. Discuss.

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QUOTE (thizzellewashington @ May 24 2011, 02:29 PM) Nothing I don't like can be considered "music." Sorry.

More than 2

I have Genesis, though the only songs I listen to are Home by the Sea

Truthfully, I didn't know that, but I'll change it

You stole my avatar, nice try though.

NO TREEDUCK, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD. THIS GUY'S CHOICES AREN'T THE SAME AS MY OWN AND I DECLARE A VENDETTA@

Rush isn't prog.. so no, it doesn't.

QUOTE (fledgehog @ May 23 2011, 01:26 PM) not a bad list of tunes but i still disagree with it, a lot. This.

I'd say Chris

I'd say yes, on the basis of the bac-ini alone.. shit's gross. Although at Denny's they have a Maple bacon sundae that's great..

I hear black people hate Porcupine Tree

The 34:34 version? It's wonderful Also: Stars Die

No..? Is yours?

1) The Fountain of Lamneth 2) I Think I'm Going Bald 3)Rivendell 4) Armor & Sword 5) Prime Mover 6) Countdown 7) Dog Years 8)Animate 9) Scars 10) Middletown Dreams

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