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To me, Vapor Trails should have been the next logical release after Hold Your Fire. VT brings forth emotion in me in the way HYF does.

Counterparts is "OK" in my book. It took me awhile to even really like what I like on it. I bought that record the same time as I bought The Cranberries record "Everybody else is doing it, why...." and I found myself listening to that one more often than CP.

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 8 2004, 01:49 PM) Sorry, everytime I try to give this album a chance it always lets me down. Each song has a cool part, then an annoying part that doesn't fit with the rest of the song. Plus the whole thing sounds horrible and thin. The bass is bouncy and has no guts. Sounds rubbery and not solid or rocking. The guitars are especially thin and brittle. The drums sound ok. The words seem random, and unedited and lack the poignancy of other Rush lyrics. The keyboards reach an all time low and really wreck the whole album for me, with the exception of Force Ten. The performances are good. This album sounds uninspired and if they were ever going through the motions this would be the time. They had nothing to prove by this time and much of HYF sounds like leftover, less-than-inspired bits from Power Windows. This album made me speculative and weary about Rush releases ever since. Luckily they put out Presto and Counterparts afterwards. That sounds like the kind of review I would give Counterparts or Test for Echo

the time is now...

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Dec 8 2004, 12:17 PM) Oooh....yes!!! http://www.geocities.com/nothworthy/IMAGES/Instyle_closeup.jpg I like him LOTS! Loved him on SATC... Yummy yeah, baby! Now you're talkin'! By the way, guys, you can always sound off about sexy actresses ya know! Also, regarding Bruce Willis' hair, I think he looks better with it. However, I've known plenty of guys without it who look very sexy.

Thanks Pman, I think both our posts are good. I describe the emotional side of it, while you are able to describe the musical aspects.

QUOTE (paganoman @ Dec 8 2004, 10:08 AM) QUOTE (Snowdog @ Dec 8 2004, 09:28 AM)Help me!! Help me!! I read all of these wonderful, warm, fuzzy feelings for HYF, but I do not particularly like this album, with a few exceptions (Ged's bass playing is extraordinary and I do kind of like Prime Mover and Turn the Page). But as a whole, I just never warmed to this album. To me, it is Rush Lite. Then again, I'm not big on extensive use of synth's, so this stands to reason. But I want to like HYF, I just can't seem to. Any suggestions from you HYF lovers? Not trying to imply anything - but try to listen to it as its own piece of work without comparing it to other releases. There is SO much to like about this album. I particularly like the style of recording on this record - especially the use of keyboards and sound effects which allowed each instrument to completely stand out on their own without fighting for position. I can listen to any single element and block the others out so easily with this record. These guys are masters at designing complex structures within their own camps, while complimenting the others and giving room for all to flex and breathe. I get the Rush Lite thing. Alex stopped plugging into amps on the studio floor and would record his parts plugged directly into the sound board with a set of headphones. It wasn't until Counterparts that he dried up his guitar sound and put it back in our faces. But so what? He SHINES on these records. I love the intricate guitar parts in HYF. He proves you don't have to be a power chord god in order to show strength. As far as Neil goes, this was a time period for him where he really got to perfect his blending of electronic drums and triggered sounds into his parts. I go nuts over the way he changes patterns completely to impact the mood or emotion of the song. And Geddy? whew this guy truly proves he can do 28 things at once. Pedals, keyboards, bass, vocals. It's one thing to layer yourself in a studio but now you have to go out there and play this stuff live. He's got to be thinking about that when putting this stuff together. But it's Geddy - he makes it seem easy. His baselines ROCK on this album. Then there are the words. They take me to places I can't even identify. I get lost in them. The music was so well crafted to fit what the words had to say and vice/versa. Here is where Neil started becoming much more flexible at receiving feedback from the other two with regard to the lyric and how it should be designed to fit the sound. HYF is a triumph - a creative masterpiece. Find that connection to it - either through the emotion of the music or the message in the lyrics. Once you let it grab you, you'll be gone!! ummm, yeah, what he said.

QUOTE (MsBehave @ Dec 8 2004, 09:52 AM) Andy Garcia MsB, Something tells me you kinda like Andy Garcia, am I right?

I tend to love music that has memories attached to it, and Hold Your Fire definitely does. The album came out Sept 8, 1987, which was 3 months after my graduation from high school. When I hear Turn the Page, I always think about how all of us in our class have gone our separate ways. We all entered a new phase in life where we would go off to college and part ways with many of our long time school friends. At graduation, we all kind of realize that ya know? High school was hell for me and, I imagine, for many of us. I certainly didn't shed a tear on graduation night, for sure, but some time after that, I found myself realizing that we wouldn't see each other again, and as much as I was glad to be done with high school, there are times I kinda miss it. There's a certain poignancy to it, if any of this makes sense. "Turn the Page" just represents to me those times in our lives where changes take place and we must move on and forward, but never really forgetting the past. Paganoman mentioned earlier in his descriptions of the songs about the ending of "Turn the Page" and the really long fade out. That piece of the music really amplifies for me what I just described above - a leaving and changing of sorts. The music on this album makes me think of brilliant sunsets too. We saw a beautiful one the night of the Rush show on that tour. A snow storm had dumped so much snow on everthing, but the sky had been clearing and the sun as it was setting just made the landscape just beautiful. The campus at NC State made me really want to go to college as we arrived for the show. There was a sunset on the video for "Time Stand Still", so maybe that is another reason I associate sunsets with this record. I had decided to not go to college beforehand, but after getting to see the campus before showtime, I got this deep rooted desire to go - think of the song "Mission". And I found myself wondering if any of my high school classmates were there someplace. So, I get a lot of feelings deep within when I hear Hold Your Fire. My interest in the album has everything to do with what it conjures in my emotions and imagination. It has nothing to do with whether or not it "kicks ass" and makes me wanna groove.

QUOTE (paganoman @ Dec 8 2004, 12:10 AM) Matt Damon is on Leno right now. Umm... He's hot? I got Leno on right now too, Paganoman! Yeah, he's sexy I guess, but Ben Affleck is better I think. I literally crossed paths with him in Boston during the DNC. He was checking in to the Copley Fairmont Hotel.

Hold Your Fire remains as my favorite album by Rush. The concert I attended for that tour also remains my favorite Rush show. It can't be beat.

www.imdb.com also gives mistakes and stuff when you look up specific movies.

Yes, Kevin Spacey! Russell Crowe was already mentioned earlier by me.

NO! The guy I'm thinking of also played the lead character in Pax. I can never remember this guy's name.

Please someone tell me the name of the actor I was referring to in my previous post! This will bug me!

Who's that actor in L.A. Confidential? He was hot in that!

"Ahhh, but no one ever said life was fair Tina. I'm bigger, I'm faster, and I'll always beat you...." - Mommie Dearest

Mel Gibson has always been hot. Although lately he seems a bit psycho. Bruce Willis is sexy when he has hair. He was lookin' good when he was on "Sixth Sense".

I also kinda like Charlie Sheen. I watch his new TV sitcom called "Two and a Half Men". He's a keeper!

Who do you think is hot out there? I've always been quite partial to Russell Crowe! I think he's sexiest in "Gladiator" and that other film he did where he played a mathematician. There are others and I'll list them as I think of them.

Everyday Glory "or" Speed of Love It's a tie

AFTERIMAGE!!!!!

I've always thought Chemistry would be great concert opener.

Well, she's no Scarlett O'Hara Even as a gay man, I'm drawn towards that pic!