wrekinboy

QUOTE (sanzo @ Jul 13 2011, 09:01 PM) I dont know if I should have posted this as the tour is past but just FYI I met a member of the crew, for a second time, in Manchester the day before the gig, we talked about stuff and I asked him where Rush were staying, I thought myself it would be in the lowry.,in Manchester. He said Ged and Al stay in a Hotel in London for all the UK shows and just travel up each day, thats quite a jaunt to Newcastle lol I cant remember where he said Neil stayed but he said most of the crew about staying around the cities they are playing in Delayed reply....haven't been on the board in a while. This is not true.....just the crew throwing a smokescreen. I met Geddy, Alex and some of the management in a hotel in one of the UK cities they visited this time. And one of the topics of their conversation was where they were staying in the next city.

Most people seem to be forgetting that this tour is primarily aimed at those places, in the US and Canada and elsewhere in the world, who didn't have the chance to see it last year. Why should they change it? If they do they will get as many complaints from overseas fans who drooled over the 2010 setlist and then when it arrives their favourite song has suddenly been dropped. You folks in the US are blessed with the amount of tours and different setlists you have seen. Get over it.

QUOTE (StellarJetman @ Mar 7 2011, 05:17 PM)QUOTE (ReRushed @ Mar 7 2011, 09:38 AM)Oh, please. There's no straw man argument here. There's a lot of Rush bashing on this board and, yes, some of it is justified. And there's no doubt in my mind you are going out of your way to criticize Geddy Lee. That's all. I wasn't "criticizing" Geddy; I was mentioning a reason for why I didn't get the lyrics that he was singing. (I do think that it wasn't the best way to sing them, though.) And how could you fail to understand that I was talking about a single line in a single song? When I said "overblown delivery", I was talking about the way that he sang "OOOOOF SALESMEN!!!" like it was something on 2112. Sheesh, on the same album you have "Different Strings", and I'd hardly call that overblown. QUOTE (wrekinboy @ Mar 7 2011, 09:54 AM)SJ - before you start a thread bashing something you should probably make sure your position is reasonably sound. Whatever else Neil is, he is very well read and has a number of interests. His lyrics are therefore explained by a number of different references, themes etc. If you are not aware of them it says more about you than it does about his ability as a lyricist. And I was informed of the reference. I'd have removed the lines from the original post, but it's locked for some reason. QUOTE (wrekinboy @ Mar 7 2011, 09:54 AM)What is worse is that now that your lack of appreciation of the lyric is revealed, you switch the attack to Ged's delivery. I'm not "switching my attack". See my response to ReRushed. Look, guys, I didn't get the line. I got that. Why do we have to argue about anything now, let alone whether or not I appreciate Geddy's singing? SJ - ok fair enough. But you'd hardly expect Ged to sing the last few lyrics to TSoR in a manner closer to Simon and Garfunkel to help listeners make the link. Remember that part of the song is a reggae-style breakdown, so he was pretty limited in the way he can sing it. Then comes the 'SALESMEN!' because it precedes a mega guitar break from Alex so it all works in terms of the dynamics of the song, imho. I'm not saying that the song and the lyric is beyond criticism, but it seemed a strange choice for you to start a thread about terrible lyrics with additional comments on the singer's delivery, don'cha think? Let's face it, as a song TSoR is one of Neil's most successful lyrics, again imho. For me it ranks up there with 'Subdivisions' as a song where I can always remember the lyrics, because they are so well executed.

QUOTE (StellarJetman @ Mar 7 2011, 04:12 PM)QUOTE (Tony R @ Mar 7 2011, 09:05 AM) And dear me, if you've heard tSoR and The Sound Of Silence how can you possibly not make the connection? It's been a while since I last listened to "The Sound of Silence" (I had a quick go on YouTube just now to refresh my memory), and there's a world of difference between Geddy's screaming and Paul's and Art's harmonious delivery, to say nothing of the completely different melodies. I can see the connection now, but only because I was looking for it. SJ - before you start a thread bashing something you should probably make sure your position is reasonably sound. Whatever else Neil is, he is very well read and has a number of interests. His lyrics are therefore explained by a number of different references, themes etc. If you are not aware of them it says more about you than it does about his ability as a lyricist. What is worse is that now that your lack of appreciation of the lyric is revealed, you switch the attack to Ged's delivery. Epic fail x2.

QUOTE (CMWriter @ Mar 7 2011, 04:12 AM)QUOTE (ReRushed @ Mar 6 2011, 08:58 PM) These lyrics make me cringe every time: What can this strange device be? When I touch it, it gives forth a sound It's got wires that vibrate, and give music What can this thing be that I found? I understand the significance and love the idea behind it, but.. Yeah. The first time I heard "Discovery" I was laughing my butt off. I don't think it's terrible, it's just.. a little oddly worded, perhaps? If I ever listen to 2112 and my dad's in the room during Presentation, he starts making little mocking, whiny-sounding comments like, "Don't yelll at meee!!" The back-and-forth between the Priests and the Protagonist is interesting, but kind of amusing. These lyrics are fine given the context. The only problem is they are slightly illogical. It is supposed to be a person who has never seen a musical instrument - "what can this strange device be?" - but he then says it gives music when he touches it. If he knows what music is then as soon as he has touched it he must know what the device is for. If he doesn't know what music is then how does he know it is music that it is producing?

QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Mar 7 2011, 03:15 AM)None of those are even close to his worst. Dog Years is immediately what I think of when it comes to that. The line from TSOR fits the song perfectly. The words written on the studio walls I always thought referred to a wall that rocks stars signed while visiting a radio station studio. Or possibly autographed pictures of them hanging up on a wall in the studio. The line "echoes with the sounds of salesmen" makes perfect sense because it's referring to advertisements on the radio. And since it's a song about radio what's the big deal? The lyrics to TSoR are a doff of the cap to 'The Sound of Silence' by Simon and Garfunkel, which goes: "And the sign said the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls, and whispered in the sounds of silence" Unfortunately we have to have a comprehensive knowledge of musical history to pick up all the references in lyrics, not just Neil's. It is similar to film directors who insert into their own movies a homage to their own heroes and sometimes it is not entirely picked up by the audience.

QUOTE (Enemy Within 77 @ Mar 3 2011, 07:13 AM)QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Mar 2 2011, 09:28 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 2 2011, 09:04 PM) Why these two bands in the same thread? Are they touring together? Yeah, i was wondering the same thing. two COMPLETELY different styles. Add me to that list too. I was going to start a Frank Sinatra/Slipknot thread but I couldn't see enough of a connection in respect of the social commentary in their lyrics, otherwise it would have worked I think.

Saw Billy Cobham at Ronnie Scott's in London on Friday. First time I'd seen him although I know of Neil's admiration for him. And I can see why. The guy is in his mid-60s and still has a kick like a mule, fantastic rhythm, dexterity etc. He played stuff off 'Crosswinds', 'Palindrome' (his latest) and others I didn't know. Fantastic band too including Michael Mondesir on bass and Junior Gill on steel drum and percussion. Neil is good but Cobham is a gateway to another place.......man.

'Once Upon a Time in America' original book it was based on was 'The Hoods' - seemed pretty ordinary having read it

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Jan 10 2011, 03:32 PM)QUOTE (tkdryan @ Jan 9 2011, 10:30 PM) wow, i have two new dream cars , The California by Ferrari , and a Porsche Panamera when i have kids If you want a dream four door when the kids arrive, check out the Maserati Quattroporte! http://www.justcar.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/maserati-quattroporte11.jpg No one builds a sexier car than the Italians. If I was loaded, I'd have a tough time picking between that car or the Cadillac CTS-V. Maserati's are nice but for the overall package - speed, performance, reliability, build quality and engineering you have to go with Porsche - I'm biased though being a Carrera owner.

Yep, saw Joe with BCC in London last night - they were very, very good. He really ripped it up on DP's 'Burn'. Definitely check them if they play near you.

QUOTE (slappa_da_bass @ Dec 17 2010, 04:12 PM)QUOTE (wrekinboy @ Dec 17 2010, 08:54 AM) There are several reasons why you should go no further with this; -taking the idea and copying it so closely is just not right; an 'epic fail' in modern parlance -once somebody has done it then it should be left, otherwise we'll have countless attempts at all 155 -you are a little on the young side to be making such judgemental statements on the music and especially the lyrics; having an opinion at any age is fine, but you should watch how you deliver it -a lot is already plain wrong (e.g. the water/wine lyric above is neither tacky or funny - it makes perfect sense in the context of a song about advancing age) -if you are not even going to spell correctly the names of rock legends..... 1) The other guy quit in the middle of it. He was updating every day but has now failed to update in weeks. 2) No one's doing it now 3) Oh please. The only people to ever say things like that are boring old people with little accomplished in their lives who want credit just for having existed this long. Not saying that's it in your case, of course 4) Maybe true 5) Maybe true With all that being said, I have a feeling anyone trying to do something of this calibre is going to encounter lots of "problems" ..... 1) He's a teacher or something similar - he'll get back to it now the holidays are here 2) Thankfully 3) I'm 12 years old (maybe a little less mentally) 4) Maybe? 5) MAYBE? Jimmy Page is Jimmy Page not Jimmy Paige

QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Dec 17 2010, 03:06 PM)I think it's laughable that people get so uptight about this. I mean, come on, it's just some opinion on a forum. Stay out of the thread if it twists your knickers this much! Indeed it is just a forum for opinions - so why do I have to stay out of it? Not that my knickers are twisted - in fact I am sitting here as calm as a very calm thing - but even if they were why can't I express my knicker-twistedness?

QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Dec 16 2010, 03:49 AM)150.I THINK I'M GOING BALD .75/10 A catchy song with upbeat rhythms. It's got tacky but funny and somewhat intriguing lyrics, i.e. "once we would take water, but now it must be wine." But it still suffers from that basic rock syndrome, and that's sad. You would think that by now, they had gotten rid of basic rock music, but apparently they hadn't. There's a catchy drum beat, but the bass is unnoticeable, and the guitar is just a heavier version of the riff from In The Mood. The weird noise at the beginning is completely irrelevant, and for that it loses point. Geddy's vocals are...interesting. Especially the way he says, "my way!" Alex has a nice Jimmy Paige solo going there, and that's all there is to this song. This song is better to listen to if you don't expect it to be serious. There are several reasons why you should go no further with this; -taking the idea and copying it so closely is just not right; an 'epic fail' in modern parlance -once somebody has done it then it should be left, otherwise we'll have countless attempts at all 155 -you are a little on the young side to be making such judgemental statements on the music and especially the lyrics; having an opinion at any age is fine, but you should watch how you deliver it -a lot is already plain wrong (e.g. the water/wine lyric above is neither tacky or funny - it makes perfect sense in the context of a song about advancing age) -if you are not even going to spell correctly the names of rock legends.....

QUOTE (Hemispheres89 @ Dec 14 2010, 03:37 AM)The food, beer, and merchandise complaints kind of confuse me. The price they charge for the ticket itself is unavoidable, but these are all luxuries in my opinion. Do you realy need a 10 dollar beer THAT badly? Why can't you just eat something at home, or somehwere else, BEFORE going to the show? If this adds on to your expenses, you have nobody else to blame but yourself. And even when you do forfeit the money for these things, it keeps the vendors in business and makes them able to charge the price that they do because people like you will whittle your money away for it without even thinking twice about it. If you can afford all of this, then you shouldn't be bitching about how much it costs. I also agree with one of the users who said that ticket prices will be the last thing on your mind when you are actually THERE. Maybe I can only speak for myself here, but when I am actually THERE, i am EXTREMELY excited! I don't even have to be in my seats, just approaching the venue on the bus gives me butterflies in my stomach.. and even when they scan my ticket and let me go through... and walking through the entrance ramp to get to my seats and I see the stage.. ALL of these elements provide for great excitement, but I don't act like a whiny pissant over how much I spent. If anything, it makes me glad to realize that I am employed somewhere that provides me with a hefty paycheck every two weeks so I can afford to go to these shows. In fact, if that's really how you feel about it, then you probably aren't as big of a Rush fan as you thought you were. Great post. I'd admit that Rush's management etc. are definitely squeezing it a little to cash in on the popularity and exposure, which they have created themselves to a certain extent with marketing and merchandise in the last few years. But as others have said, you can pay a lot more to see crap cabaret-type acts and artists that have sold out or lost their mojo (I'm looking at you Rod Stewart who could reform the Faces and even you Robert who could tour with Zep). Rush put on the best show out there in terms of presentation and top end musicianship; they are the only band still going with that longevity and consistency AND they conquer a huge technical challenge for nearly 3 hours every gig. As a long-time fan even I'd like to see different things tried (deep cuts, more spontaneous show, smaller venues) but the proof is that every time I take someone along to see them for the first time they are completely blown away. You can argue about how thrilling it is to see the Stones, the Who, McCartney in their current incarnation but when you see Rush play you are truly seeing historic, legendary performance - that's worth paying for in an age of reality tv crap and endless mediocrity.

The show will start at 8pm on the dot, unless a local curfew applies, in which case it will be 7.30 or 7.45.

QUOTE (Fridge @ Nov 19 2010, 06:17 PM)QUOTE (Sir Lerxst @ Nov 19 2010, 04:58 PM) QUOTE (Fridge @ Nov 19 2010, 02:24 PM) Brilliant - I'm offshore from 11th May to 25th May. Thanks boys...you couldn't have timed it better I presume there is no way you could swap the offshore rotation with someone else? Its a good 5 months notice they would be getting. It's technically possible, but to be quite honest with you, whilst I would have done this twenty five years ago, they just don't really have the goods nowadays to convince me enough to do it. I'll wait and see what other dates they dop...maybe a quick stop off in Germany or something. Fridge, I went over to see them in Vegas and I can tell you they are bringing it this time around. I know you are 'old Rush' but these guys are as good as they have ever been.

They should find out if any of the rescued miners are rock music fans and invite them to the show, VIP treatment etc.

Due to a technical glitch John Roberts of CNN has asked the boys to re-record part of the interview.... JR: So going back to the formative years.....after the first album was it always clear to you that a new impetus was needed? NP: Yes I think so. We felt that it would be too easy to become a Led Zep clone..... GL/AL: We!? NP: ......and of course with a new lyricist there is always that fresh injection of creativity. JR: Um, yes. So, Alex, what was the effect on your playing of..... NP: I think Alex became a more imaginative guitarist. AL: (I'm imagining how I would have answered that question......) NP: ......and Geddy certainly had to change his vocal style to get around my verses.....I can be quite wordy! GL: No kidding! JR: As we said, the telepathy between you extends to almost being able to finish each other's sentences... AL: ....or start them, in Neil's case! JR: So what's next for you guys? Before finishing the album I guess you want to wind down a little..... NP: I've got a great cycle ride planned....a new route between my house and the local bookshop...it takes in all the backalleys of Santa Monica..... AL: I'll be re-living the Ryder Cup out on the course, whipping you Americans again...that was great to..... NP: ....and then maybe I'll knock up a few eggs over easy - good honest food - and get Carrie to take a few shots of them in the pan....put 'em on the website GL: I thought I'd..... NP: ....and maybe I need to buy some new snowshoes for the coming season. The last ones were suffering traction problems.... JR: Well thanks for your time NP: It's our pleasure. We..... GL: Cut! Quick! AL: (whispers to JR) Geddy always says "Cut". That's his job. JR: No, actually that's our job! AL: Oh yeah, sorry..

That may be the closest you ever get to seeing them a little tense with each other. Al and Ged were getting a little annoyed with Neil interrupting. If you watch the full 25 min version there is a point near the end where Ged keeps on making his point after Neil has interjected and ends up talking over him, whereas earlier in the piece he was making way for him. I think it was partly nerves - you tend to speak too much in that frame of mind. But also I think when Roberts was concentrating on the period before Neil joined the band it was really inappropriate for Neil to interrupt on those answers. Good job they get along so well after all these years but after it was over I wouldn't be surprised if they had a little go at him, jokingly - "will you shut the f**k up new guy!" - or something similar. As for the questions on the "dark" period, Roberts should have left it after they spoke about being pleased that Neil wanted to play again. To then ask him again "that must have been such a difficult time for you" was really not on. He was lucky to get a jam with them after that! Finally it was also a really interesting answer by Ged when asked about the limelight. Ged basically said a lot of the things that Neil's critics have a go at him for, i.e. it was my decision to seek fame so I have to take the rough with the smooth and most of the time people just want to say 'thank you' so that's ok. The sub-text seemed to be "I don't really agree with the way Neil handles it but I'm going to make sure I'm as agreeable as I can be because there is a certain obligation."

QUOTE (aliceintool @ Sep 4 2010, 12:40 AM)QUOTE (ForceTen @ Sep 3 2010, 06:34 PM) 36 shirts? What's the significance of the number? I think it's how long they've been together...I'm not exactly sure of though Yep, Neil played his first live gig with the band on Aug 14th 1974 = 36 years

QUOTE (Jack Aubrey @ Aug 23 2010, 02:23 PM)Mickey Rourke's speech is the highlight of the movie as always

You have rated 'Cinderella Man' below 'Neurotica'. Take a step back from this great endeavour for a moment and consider what you have done. I really can't find the words to fully explain how wrong that is. But as others have said, keep going, it's....interesting. Although based on the above I'm half-expecting you to place 'Tom Sawyer' and 'La Villa' outside the top 75.

QUOTE (Alex @ Sep 2 2010, 01:22 AM)QUOTE (GeddyLeefan2112 @ Sep 1 2010, 07:19 PM) QUOTE (wibblet @ Sep 1 2010, 06:04 PM) post made before reading entire thread. Still think he needs to grow a pair and grow up. I'm pretty sure that comment was unnecessary. So because some people want the rules to be followed, they need to grow up? How does that work? The world is exactly the opposite of where it should be nowadays. Just forget about it. You are so right. Offences such as crashing someone else's seat, dropping chewing gum on the floor, laughing too hard at a poor joke, having bad breath etc. should be punishable by public flogging. But they are not, sadly.

QUOTE (Skin Bag @ Aug 17 2010, 07:28 AM)QUOTE (quickfree @ Aug 15 2010, 06:05 PM) I don't think he's mad at the song but it just looks plain weird that way. His concentration during the acoustic solo is near perfect and he didn't distracted. I don't know about that. He may not look "distracted" but he seems visibly upset throughout the entire song, even the acoustic part. His jaw is clenched so tight! Makes Neil look downright chillin' and relaxed in comparison, LOL. I watched a couple other earlier songs on youtube and he didn't seem his usual cheerful self in those either. Anyway, for whatever reason he lost his cool, this is the total opposite of the Alex I saw at the Seattle show last week where he was all smiles, all night. He was far more subdued at the Vegas gig which was the night after this Irvine show (wasn't it?). Yep he was - see my other post http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?show...0entry2051737