MarKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SFA5ScV7cU Nice work....tops it off nicely.

very special !

Pah...even later for us Europeans.....it's got to be done though!! I'm still holding out for a possible mini Euro leg of the tour next year with 2-3 nights in maybe 3 venues.... Belfast, Dublin and Cork will do just fine...... :hockeygoon:

As long as we still get the Periscope feeds? Are these reveal threads the place to go for the periscopes? Or is there a separate thread for those? Well they started on the "Up Periscope" thread and then moved to the individual show threads....As long as they're up here somewhere I suppose it doesn't really matter.....

As long as we still get the Periscope feeds?

Sorry guys, but I'm dipping in and out of this thread and watched a few feeds earlier on in the tour..... I'm waiting for the East Coast gigs so I can watch them at a reasonable hour. Have the Periscope links stopped coming or are they posted somewhere else? Thanks...

I think this does drag a little, but I think the reason is the lyrics..... Sometimes if you play a song too fast the vocalist can't get the rhythm and breathing right. The lyrics on WYD are almost like a blues rap.... If you haven't done the song in a while then it can be hard to get it right. We do some covers in our band and some we speed up a few BPM....but some you just can't do it cause of the way the lyrics are structured... Try and do You Shook Me All Night Long by ACDC even 5 BPM faster.... You'd pass out trying to sing it....

Yea. The crew were able to move them around quiet quickly. It didn't look like they were plugged in.

Oh man.....my stomach is still hurting from laughing.... :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: Alex..... probably your finest hour.... I was waiting to see what he'd do. Beats the "Dozen Eggs"...speech by a mile.....

QUOTE (Jomboni @ Sep 30 2012, 04:25 PM) He did just confirm in an interview that Headlong Flight and Carnies are tuned to an E chord like the original poster guessed. Any idea which interview that was in ?

QUOTE (irish_matt @ Sep 24 2012, 02:26 AM)all the backing vocal samples are triggered using their pedals. Sometimes the vocal is in-bedded with backing guitar and keyboard riffs. Check out "The Wreckers" on the youtube video http://www.youtube.com/user/RTMorasonMD2 It looks and sounds like Alex is actually singing the baking vocals live !! Can't see any pedal triggers going on ..... Perhaps it's just certain parts he can't sing...perhaps the higher register harmonies... Really great video as well.... Still waiting for a good quality one of Middletown Dreams....

QUOTE (Don'tMeetInBars @ Sep 23 2012, 03:12 AM)QUOTE (MarKo @ Sep 22 2012, 07:00 AM) During Carnies and Headlong Flight it looks like he's using a guitar tuned to an E chord, which if that is the way they're recorded explains why those songs have a slightly "different" feel... Wow good eye/ear, I checked it out you're totally right! It's interesting how they're triggering whole phrases, not just individual notes from the bass pedals. They can hit it once, it plays, then they're on about their business rather than being tied to the pedalboards. Looking at the sidestage YouTubes it's still amazing to me how they make the pedal 'dance' look so effortless! I'm not 100% on this but I think that all of the triggers are programmed for each song and they get loaded up in between numbers so that the pedals change for each song. Geddy mentioned in an interview once that sometimes the wrong programme gets loaded and samples for other songs come out.....and the fun begins. Other bands like U2 have samples triggered by MIDI so they don't have to manually trigger pedals. At least Rush play the samples "live" as such. I remember seeing one post on this forum by someone who had all the triggers worked out for each song and who triggered them.... Neil also triggers some samples apparently when the other two don't have time etc....

I've been scouring some of the youtube vids looking at what Alex is doing on some of the songs.... On Middletown Dreams during the intro he does not seem to be playing all of the arpeggio sections that for me, really are why I love that song...a bit disappointing. That plucked high chord just before the lyrics come in seems to be triggered as is the long sustained note a few bars previous to that. It sounds just like the studio version. Perhaps it's just not possible to get the other accented chords going as well?? The performance of rest of the song is great. During Carnies and Headlong Flight it looks like he's using a guitar tuned to an E chord, which if that is the way they're recorded explains why those songs have a slightly "different" feel... During The Garden they also trigger the rhythm piano chords in the piano section. The triggered piano is playing long before Alex gets around the keys to play that nice little melody section. Geddy is standing there waiting to sing the lyrics....Could Ged not be playing (or even pretend to play) those rhythm chords on the piano while Alex does the other part? Ged was also not playing the keys intro to Camera Eye on the last tour. That kind of bummed me out at the Dublin show as I could see him just leaning on the keys and not playing at all... That part of the song is a really original use of keys and it would have been nice to see it done live. They've always used triggers live and it doesn't bother me that much as I'd rather they perform songs like Camera Eye and make compromises if necessary. As a musician, figuring out how Rush (particularly Alex) actually play their songs is a real challenge...... like a puzzle.... It's part of the buzz of a new album and figuring out the songs. When you wait to see how a particular piece is performed live and you find out that it can't be done (sometimes after spending hours trying to figure out if it's an overdub or not) can be a little exasperating... ....part of the challenge I suppose Of course there are some parts that blow you away live as you would never have dreamed they would do it "that way" or a solo was in that position or whatever.... I'm on the "love it" side of the live setlist debate and just glad that they're touring. Some of the drumming and bass playing off Power Windows is incredible and much underrated due to it being spun as a "keyboard phase" Still hoping for a Dublin date, but that seems a remote possibility at this stage. Anyone else spot other triggered parts yet or interesting trivia ???

QUOTE (dayglow76 @ Sep 8 2012, 11:46 PM)Quoting "jonnyj"Seriously I look at some these songs as parallel or relevant to whats going on the World right now. Whether Rush is thinking this or just coincidence doesn't matter. I think it's great we're getting to hear any Rush in 2012. Territories. Worked then and is definitely working now on social level as well as World stage. Manhattan Project. Written during the "Cold War" still seems relevant and stills seems like there's plenty freezing on the political front, and the wars going on right now might be more hot than cold but still a cold war. Body Electric. Look what's happening to us all in the Digital World. We may find ourselves panicking for 1-0-0 1-0-0 1-SOS sooner than we can see Rush play this song ever again." Bingo, I thought of this exact thing last night and made a chart based on the setlist with their song meanings,and yes there is a very strong undercurrent of humanism vs transhumanisim (i.e humans merging with machines) war and staying true to yourself. I am a researcher,radio talk show host and documentary filmmaker and I can tell you the world is coming to a place where sci-fi is becoming real life,and we all are going to be faced with that dichotomy of humans vs machines and the dilemma of what you give up when you become immersed in technology mind body and soul. This combined with the steampunk theme which is a different world of technology tells me that yes this setlist is designed to speak to you if you have the eyes to see and ears to hear. i actually like this setlist now that this has come to light. Here is my theme chart for the setlist(drawn from the bands own words in almost every case let's not start an argument over the disagreements of song meanings here i understand songs mean different things to different people) this is just simply to make the point of the setlist theme. 1.-conformity and how it is seen as "normal" 2.-the power of the rich 3.-overcoming obstacles and accepting failure 4.-the power of materiality vs the expression of the soul 5-Machines having feelings(souls) 6-how countries and states divide humanity(travel) 7.-Longing for a bygone era 8.-action without attachment to outcome 9-instrumental 10-the road to hell is paved with good intentions 11.the youthful and idealistic excitement of seeing the world for the first time 12.machines worshiped as gods 13.wanting for the things one lacks in life 14.the carnival as a metaphor for life(game of chance) 15.-what we think is our savior can sometimes be our doom. 16.-reflection on the past 17-projecting who you want someone to be on them and being disappointed when they aren't that person 18.-letting go 19-the summation of what is really important in life in the end 20-the creation of the first atomic bomb 21-the horror of holocaust concentration camps. 22-Morse code for Toronto airport(travel) 23-the plight of the blue collar person 24-the non conformist spirit of youth 25.-purity of music vs the commercial and sales potential of it,staying true to yourself People didn't know for years Neil's solos were telling a story(the history of drumming etc) and I think that the lack of a full drum solo may also reflect this new setlist storytelling. Yep, Rush definitely have a theme to their setlists. It's not just about the music or the era for them. It's as much about them as "Artists" making a statement. You've a nice way with words..... Nice post

QUOTE (GUP1771 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:53 PM)After playing the CD more frequently in the car, which I typically blast music while driving, it is a bit rough on the ears. The Taurus pedals aren't friendly to my speakers at all, and even messing with the EQ in the car, I still can't get a decent sound. (I've never been very good at that stuff.) Kind of annoying considering the singles of Caravan and BU2B didn't have this type of problem. I still think the music sounds amazing in other formats that I use, but in the car, it's pretty bad. I'm not expected headphone quality, but at least something that is listenable. So previous statements I've made that the mastering is okay, I was wrong. It's more so bad than okay. Everything besides VT and CA sounds great in my car. Yep.....agree.... Maybe car speakers are not what they used to be but in general this album really really blows the speakers out of shape.... That's where I listen to most of my music........ so it's frustrating. No matter what some people say, it's a fact, it needs sorting

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QUOTE (jnoble @ Jul 13 2012, 03:06 AM)And the messed up part of all of this is that Ged and Alex both specifically said that the last couple of albums had too many layers and overdubs and CA was going to get away from that. Way to follow through, guys Agree 100% Alex seemed really determined to pare back his sound in those interviews. I think we have to look at the "professionals" who Rush pay to craft the sound of the album. They've done a poor job..... Simple as. Music and sound are analog at source and the human ear hears in analog. The increasing tendency to push natural waveforms through digital processing..... Filling the sound spectrum artificially....cutting and pasting etc....is what's creating this mess..... Along with the iPod generation. Back to magnetic tape and vinyl.....!!!... That's what I say. Can't wait for the live versions of these songs

Definitely.... Much as I like the "Nick effect" which has given them a lot of motivation and a fans perspective, something has to give. In Nick's interview in the Fan Pack mag he says he was mixing CA in the morning and another bands album in the afternoon. Sounds like maybe he was not 100% focused. Time to revert to an old school analog desk and and an old school producer....to get that old school sound.... Then again I don't think they will want to swim against the stream at this delicate stage of their career. It all so frustrating !!

QUOTE (DrKlahn @ Jul 5 2012, 05:43 PM)Conclusion: Sigh. Well unless there is a better vinyl mix out there, I don't know if there is a definitively version of this album. The vinyl is less fatiguing to listen to, but the CD's wider soundstage, slightly better high end and punch are hard to give up. This album is so frustrating. Such great music, such a disappointing mix. Thanks for that work.... It's really frustrating that these great songs can't breath with this mix or mastering issue or whatever it is..... I guess it's a long wait until the next gig/live album or DVD to really hear what's going on inside these songs... I can remember listening to Permanent Waves and Moving pictures for the first time on a Walkman.....it's was as much about the sound and the production as it was about the playing and the songs.... Presto was similar but maybe a little too thin....another notch on the bottom end would do no harm for sure.... I know this is naive but, hopefully some of this vibe is making it's way back to either Roadrunner or the Rush camp and it's not just getting brushed under the carpet.....

QUOTE (Two0neOneTwo @ Jun 28 2012, 02:32 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Jun 28 2012, 08:50 AM) QUOTE (yetanothersteve @ Jun 28 2012, 12:09 AM) Basically, the lads need to sit down with a few beers and listen to a vinyl pressing of Who's Next before mixing their next album. This Everyone is making good points. I just got a new turn table last week and listened to my vinyl of Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue on it. It sounds like you are in the room with the musicians. I have ordered Clockwork Angels on vinyl so I can "get back" to the vinyl experience. Rush making studio statements, not recording live in a room, but I would really love some space in all their recordings back to the 1980s. Clockwork Angels sounds great, but I guess we can fantasize about perfect recordings. drbirdsong, Doesn't have to be perfect. Perfection IS in the eye of the beholder. Proper levels, a good soundstage, those are things that either are, or are not, regardless of the persons preferences. Couple of points for everyone; Every single Rush album prior to CP each had unique musical material and different direction. Hense, Rush WAS progressive. Fly By Night Sounds nothing like Moving Pictures. Moving Pictures sounds nothing like Signals. Etc....Right on through to Presto,RTB.... The big BUT here is that even though they all sounded different, they all had one thing in common. They are all extremely easy to listen to. Even at reference volumes. Regardless of musical taste, the recordings sound wonderful. Alex, Ged and Neil all had their sonic space in the mix. They hardly ever stepped on each other or had competing parts. As complex as the music was you could easily follow along with any of them. CP (to a smaller degree) VT, SnA, CA? They lost that quality. To moi, its really is just a wall of sound now. The pleasure of listening to just Neil during a song has become very difficult. His Kit (as great as it is) gets lost in a sea of competing noise. There is no "space" for the intricate, sometimes subtle way he plays anymore. The same applies for Ged and Alex as well. Its not about perfection or type of musical direction. They simply got caught up in the one dimensional, compressed wall of sound 99% of new music seems to posses now. I'm not 'mad" just sad because I firmly believe the recording/mix/mastering was a HUGE reason all those different types of music and direction were successful. I agree with your points. It's becoming un-listenable for me at this stage too. I was beginning to think I was going crazy too. I'v discussed all those parts mentioned above on other threads as they sound poor to me as well. It's such a pity cause it's a great album. Looking at those DR figures it's no wonder why I prefer Presto, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures and Signals as you can actually hear what's going on without having to get a headache. Maybe it's a mixture of reasons that these recordings sound like this these days. Digtital Recording is producing audio that most middle of the road audio systems just can't handle. I'm resorted to playing a bassless EQ'd version via Bluetooth in my car because I'm fed up with my speakers sounding like they're about to pop out through the doors. It probably sounds great on a top dollar system in a studio when the boys are finalising the mix but on most "normal" systems, it's just too much. Then you have the influence of Apple and record companies in the "loudness" wars. I remember reading an interview with Geddy around the release of VP and he was sick that he might have made a mistake at the mastering stage. (which was true) Maybe they've backed off getting really deeply involved with the mastering since then and they're letting the so called "professionals" do their stuff. I'd definitely like to get behind a "pre" master version for fans. Maybe that's the next step in "marketing" the album. Anyone know if the HD Tracks version is any better? Is there a downloadable lossless version of the Vinly mix available to check out before I invest in a turntable and the vinly version. I'd do it just to hear this album properly !!! If anyone does get a way to contact anyone near to the band register the feelings of a growing, loyal and genuinely sincere group of fans.........please let me know......I'd gladly add my name to whatever petition needs to be started....

My CD was damaged.....was skipping through the last section of The Garden..... Not good.... I just emailed the contact email on the myfavouritemagazine website after a couple of days called them on the phone. They sent me out a new CD (plus the cd package) It did take a few days to get around the automated Email reply, which was a bit frustrating but they were happy to replace the CD with no problem.... Just quote your order number.....

I think they'll do orchestrated versions of the older songs. 2112 with an orchestra for sure.... Could be interesting.

QUOTE (hoerstle @ Jun 14 2012, 08:34 PM)QUOTE (MarKo @ Jun 14 2012, 11:40 AM) Been listening to the CD in the car for a week or so now and I'm definitely in the "it's muddy" corner... Been turning it up and down all the time in between sections... However, I ripped it into Itunes and popped it onto my iPod and that seems to have improved things as far as "too loud" and losing the vocals goes... The bass has also been pushed back a little... Obviously it has reduced the overall quality but that's what I'll be listening to CA on for the forseeable.... Shouldn't have to do this though..... And yes.....we should complain if we're not happy, otherwise nothing will change. I pay a lot of money to support my favourite band.... Been turning it up and down all the time in between sections... Well that sounds more like it's a pretty dynamic record than a muddy one.. Ok then to clarify. And apologies in advance for any ad grammar.... I had said in another post that it's possibly both the mix and the master that needed to be reviewed before going to press. I have been turning the volume up say at the start of The Garden to hear the strings and then having to turn it down when the guitar kicks in as it's just too loud to listen comfortably... The same guitar passage later in the song is not as loud. Same with the vocals on The Anarchist... the intro is perfect but then you have to turn up past what's comfortable for the lyrics.... Dynamic ?? Not so sure. More like annoying. But these are small things in the overall context. I'll EQ it myself so the extremes are taken out for my delicate 45yr old ears... Looking forward to hearing the live versions as always....