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Pretty sure this interview was debunked a while back. Sorry, guys.

So my Signals Box is here, and while it's nicely put-together -- the 7" singles in particular -- it is very easy to conclude that this effort is inferior to the Moving Pictures box on nearly every level. The book has great art, but only the lyrics and production credits, with no insight or commentary on the album. The audio and visual extras are minimal. Soundwise, I'm having a very hard time discerning any difference from the Sector box remasters. If you're into this for the vinyl, your mileage will likely vary. The sound here is going to be vastly superior to any prior vinyl release. But boy, I hope they do a better job curating the GuP box next year......

Ian Grandy has confirmed the existence of two-channel board tapes at the very least. This is the same as what was used for the "bonus tracks" on Rush in Rio. As that release demonstrates, these can be made to sound very good.

Travis: I've always thought that anything else new to the bootleg community to pop up would be this sort of "back of the closet" type recording. Hopefully, the whole show will emerge. It's been a while since we e-mailed. I'm still at the same address -- drop a line any time. Hope all is well!

Not CoS tour. Early 2112 tour. Which actually makes the appearance of this song in the setlist more interesting.

It's a blown string. You can hear it, and I think even see it at the very end of "Overture".

There must be some warehouse there because my cd set originated in Virginia and went through Richmond. Yep......in Crozet, VA. Only two hours away, which might explain why my box arrived so early. The same warehouse/company handles all of the Grateful Dead's archival releases, and probably other bands as well. Not sure if it's a manufacturing plant, or an outlet for Rhino Records, or what. But anyway, that's where all these box sets are coming from. Funny, because there's practically nothing else down there.

My copy is here! FOUR days early; ordered from the Backstage Club. This live show is just friggin' amazing!

Also multiple shows were recorded on the Pow and HYF tours for the A Show of Hands album, so box sets for both would seem to be easy and a no-brainer.

Eddie Trunk interview this past July. Towards the end.

Not to be overly dramatic about this....but I am honestly astounded that they have messed this release date up like this. It's baffling. Not baffling at all. Alex clearly said that everything has slipped due to the pandemic.

I should add that when Rush started out as a band, they played covers, which included Rolling Stones songs. That's part and parcel of a music act performing at bars and high school dances where playing the well-known hits is an essential thing to get people dancing. When Rush released the Feedback covers album, did they include Rolling Stones songs on the list? The answer is no. Which means nothing, really. They also didn't include covers by Hendrix or Zeppelin, because they felt they couldn't do them justice. Nor did they include covers from Yes, Genesis, or Pink Floyd, but have acknowledged all of them as being immense influences.

They could continue, but it won't be the same. It would be like Rush with another drummer. Nah.....Charlie didn't contribute anything like as much as Neil did with Rush ......and I knew someone was going to make an ignorant statement like this. Watts was part of the core of the Rolling Stones sound. If you can't hear that, then you really don't have the intellectual wherewithal to contribute to a discussion on music. What amazes me is that you could reach the age of 53 and still throw your toys out the pram when someone expresses an opinion on a public messageboard that you don't like You're the one that has resorted to the ad hominem insult, not me. And whether you like it or not, it is my opinion that there are a great many drummers who could do exactly what Charlie did....Neil, not so much. All this has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the man who I never met...... You however, the jury is still out on whether I decide you are a c*** or not :-) ".....a great many drummers who could do exactly what Charlie did" And so you double down on the ignorant statements. Charlie Watts, along with Ringo Starr, INVENTED the sound of modern rock. Period. There would have been no Rush had these guys not paved the way for them. And then, the Rolling Stones managed to stay relevant for 60 YEARS, in no small part due to CW's contributions. I wasn't aware that CW or Ringo played guitar, which is really where rock gets its sound...look, he was a competent drummer who produced a good backbeat, but to lionise him in the way that you are doing is just silly....Whether the RS have been relevant for a long time is a debatable point It seems CW only has writing credits for a handful of RS songs https://secondhandso...ist/18668/works Please just stop. You are really showing your ignorance. Rock music is LITERALLY defined by rhythm, NOT melody. With over 200 sub-genres, rock is predominately defined by the backbeat -- 4/4 time with accent on the 2nd and 4th beat. Ringo and Charlie were among the early pioneers and popularizers of the backbeat. Again, without the Stones, there's no Rush.

They could continue, but it won't be the same. It would be like Rush with another drummer. Nah.....Charlie didn't contribute anything like as much as Neil did with Rush ......and I knew someone was going to make an ignorant statement like this. Watts was part of the core of the Rolling Stones sound. If you can't hear that, then you really don't have the intellectual wherewithal to contribute to a discussion on music. What amazes me is that you could reach the age of 53 and still throw your toys out the pram when someone expresses an opinion on a public messageboard that you don't like You're the one that has resorted to the ad hominem insult, not me. And whether you like it or not, it is my opinion that there are a great many drummers who could do exactly what Charlie did....Neil, not so much. All this has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the man who I never met...... You however, the jury is still out on whether I decide you are a c*** or not :-) ".....a great many drummers who could do exactly what Charlie did" And so you double down on the ignorant statements. Charlie Watts, along with Ringo Starr, INVENTED the sound of modern rock. Period. There would have been no Rush had these guys not paved the way for them. And then, the Rolling Stones managed to stay relevant for 60 YEARS, in no small part due to CW's contributions.

They could continue, but it won't be the same. It would be like Rush with another drummer. Nah.....Charlie didn't contribute anything like as much as Neil did with Rush ......and I knew someone was going to make an ignorant statement like this. Watts was part of the core of the Rolling Stones sound. If you can't hear that, then you really don't have the intellectual wherewithal to contribute to a discussion on music.

So once again, Ian Grandy himself has confirmed the existence of a two-channel SBD recording from Hartford on Dec 20, 1981. It was circulated among the crew. Presumably, copies exist somewhere, as do the master reels that were used to make the record. It's doubtful the band would have thrown these away, and in fact, one song from the outtakes was officially released with the 2112 30th anniversary release.

1interesting to break this down a bit. The bonus disc (and bonus material released on the 2112 35th Anniversary set, as well as a "Guitar Hero" track) indicates that AT LEAST one show exists from each of the following: - Manchester - London - St Louis (with "Jacob's Ladder" answering the long-standing question as to whether more exists beyond the commonly-bootlegged FM show) ….and from E...SL: - Glasgow This means that there are at least four, and possibly as many as 7 or 8 full 1980 shows in the archive. THAT would make an outstanding box set, along the lines of what Yes did with "Progeny" a few years ago, or what the Grateful Dead release a couple times a year.

Dude.....that sucks! You know, if you were fortunate enough to encounter this band at the right age for me, it was age 13 in 1981, then you likely discovered a band whose message resonated when not a lot else did. For me, it was the awkward middle school years. But the great thing, is that as I grew up, so did the Rush message! I think most o my friends get that. In the past week, I've heard from family, bandmates, high school friends, college friends, ex-girlfriends, all of whom said, "you were the first person I thought of." While I'm sad, I'm not despondent or anything. I've taken this week to immerse myself in the music and re-connect. My friends and family get that. If you're with someone who doesn't, then you're with thee wrong person.

That was very smart and I don't blame them for doing everything the way they did. I'm sure that was per Neil's instructions. Death and funerals are hard enough to cope with without well-meaning, and not so well-meaning, fans making a trying time harder. Yep. Even among Rush fans, there are some weird ones. Present company excluded of course, but I'd have said. "ESPECIALLY among Rush fans....." Which is why they probably waited until after the funeral/memorial to make an announcement.

So sad man. Indeed....the perception (which I know I had) was that he had turned away from everything he had built up over the course of his life. And if that HAD been his conscious choice, then that’s certainly valid, but it always struck me as strange. Why spend the time to become the best in the world at something, only to never touch that something ever again? It just didn’t seem right. And again, we now know why. For these reasons, I do hope his story will be updated at the right time, so that his story as a musician gets cemented with a proper ending.

It’s worth noting that the last Bubbagram on Neil’s web site is from May 2016 — right around the time we now are told that Neil would have received his diagnosis. The series he was working on, telling about his travels on the last few days of the R40 tour was left incomplete. But again, we now know why.....

Unless Neil cut off complete contact with Geddy and Alex, the both of them absolutely did know. This would have also meant that Neil's wife and daughter would have not been in communication with either of them as well. Drummer Mike Portnoy mentioned on social media yesterday after the news broke that he was aware of Neil's health issues. If he knew there is no way Geddy and Alex didn't. Geddy mentioned him and Al meeting with Neil several times over the last couple years. Said they would spend three or four days with him in LA. So they certainly knew what was going on, although all Geddy would say was that Neil was not drumming anymore.

I don't think it's correct to say he was dying of cancer when Rush called it quits, but it's good nonetheless that you're able to look back on yourself and realize that assigning blame should have played no part in your reaction to learning that Rush was done. Well, again -- there was a heck of a lot of confusion during the end of 2015 through mid-2016. First Neil with "my daughter says I'm retired" to Geddy saying "no he's not really" to Al in May 2016 saying that Neil wasn't physically capable of drumming anymore. It was a real jumble of contradictory press reports. We now know that we were likely seeing Neil learn of his illness and the rest of the guys getting brought into the loop. I don't think there s any reason for anyone to kick themselves over their reaction to all this confusion. And I'm sure we'll hear more from Geddy and Al in the coming months about all of this.

I think most people can do the math and realize that Neil likely didn't know about any cancer during 2015. But now, it definitely makes sense why he's been so quiet over the last several years, as opposed to the story that he'd turned his back on drumming, writing, and all vestiges of the public eye because that was a conscious desire as part of his retirement.

Well, look....they were always private guys. I play in a band and about a year ago, during practice, our drummer noted that the prolonged silence from Neil seemed strange, and he thought we were going to hear at some point that Neil was sick. It struck me as a real possibility, especially when news started coming out that he was no longer drumming. If you take illness out of the equation, that news and behavior does seem strange, because it goes beyond what you’d expect from simple retirement. No updates to his web page, no writing, no occasional music project, no NEWS? Of course now, it all makes sense. It also makes sense that the often-hinted-at project between Ged and Al hasn’t materialized. Even if they were up for it — which I doubt — it would seem awful insensitive to start hyping a project, given Neil’s condition. And I actually think that if not for the cancer, Neil would have worked with Ged and Al again in some capacity. So now the other two need time to heal. But I think/hope we’ll see them again.