fraroc

I guess when it comes to modern bands, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Not true. Modern bands should be spending time developing their own sound, learning lessons from their influences without letting those influences define them, then writing timeless songs that people will connect with. If they do that well, they should at least find a respectable audience, if not possibly make an impact on the mainstream. Fraroc doesn't understand that rock and metal is thriving today...he equates success with high chart positions. Is a high chart position really that undesirable of a thing?

I guess when it comes to modern bands, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

First, let me say that I am very, VERY impressed with Greta Van Fleet, as they along with Ghost, are working to try and bring rock and metal back into the ears of listeners all over the world. Their music sounds very Led Zeppelin-esque, to the point where some people initially believed that their music was unreleased Zep songs. When I first discovered Greta Van Fleet, my mind was brought back to another very Zep-esque band that came out decades prior to GVF, the (in)famous Kingdom Come. An extremely underrated band of the 80s hair metal period. However, the reason why I say "infamous" is because in the tail end of hair metal's halcyon years, Kingdom Come had kind of become a joke in the music industry due to Lenny Wolf's denial that they were inspired by Led Zeppelin (Citing AC/DC and Van Halen as their main influences). This lead to Jimmy Page himself openly accusing Kingdom Come of plagiarism and bands writing diss tracks about them. People even got pissed at Eddie Van Halen, who enjoyed them so much that they landed the opening spot on Monsters of Rock 88 where Van Hagar headlined. Which really is a shame, because they had a lot of great material.

I literally started the thread with "f**k that show, they're usually boring and have bad taste" The thing is they technically don't have bad taste (would having Geddy Lee on the show constitute as having bad taste?) Personally, I always hated how they gave almost zero support to up and coming metal bands. Instead, Eddie Trunk would rather continue to suck UFO's ass about how amazing they are and how they should have been WAY bigger in the states and all that stuff.

Like there's anything wrong with being a Gen-Xer in a millennial body.

I fully believe that the production of rock music and metal, the way the music itself was mixed in the studio, was at an absolute peak in the 80s. In the 70s, studio music sounded way to flat and tinny, which makes heavy songs sound not heavy at all...And from the 90s onwards, the "Loudness wars" happened, in which any form of proper mixing was thrown out the window in favor of making the album sound as heavy as possible a la Vapor Trails and Death Magnetic. In the 80s, the studio magic made the music sound so vibrant, almost atmospheric, it made every instrument shine on it's own. It's a perfect cross between heavy and light sounding music.

70 is slowly but surely becoming the new 50 Happy birthday Steven :)

Someone trying to out-Fraroc Fraroc. Mick Often imitated, never duplicated lol

I agree when Neil said he was done, it was time for HIM to retire. My frustration with Neil is with the way he handled it...he gave everyone short notice, and he took Geddy and Alex into retirement with him. It now appears there will be no Lee Lifeson "project." They clearly weren't ready to call it quits at that moment picked by Neil. It would have been nice for Neil to acknowledge that and to publicly encourage his two lifetime co-workers to record together again. . Part of being a Rush fan is accepting the fact that even if Geddy, Alex and Neil are your personal heroes, they're not saints. Nobody's perfect 100% of the time. Personally, I always hated how Neil forced Ged and Al's hands into retirement even though they didn't want to, and to be honest, I'm also a bit disappointed in Geddy for not having a spine. He should have told Neil "Look, you may be done, but I'm not. I still want to perform, I still want to make new music, and whether you want to participate or not is your perogative." I guess he's just too nice to do that.

Geddy's voice is shot LOL Who told you that, I wont accept that, :geddy: Lalalalalala As a consistently good live singer his voice is certainly shot. He can still sing decent I'm sure but those longer live shows during Rush's final tours did his voice no favors. You're just a blind fanboy if you can't hear the decline in his voice. That's why whatever he does next musically should be instrumental only. He's done enough with his voice. He should just focus on jamming out now in his later years. Give the pipes a rest, they've more than earned it. That CA dvd. he was shot after Subdivisions, lol and that was the opener. Mick Well they're the ones that made the mistake of releasing a Clockwork Angels live DVD and album from one of the last dates of the tour were everybody was tired and burnt out.

f**k that, he sounded great on my show.

Well they managed to sell out MSG on their 40th anniversary tour, so I'd say they were on a pretty high echelon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15BI50hO34E&sns=em Yeah, that’s pretty unenjoyable PURE SHITE. PASS. Strangely enough, the lower voice suits him much better. I'd rather listen to this than him attempting The Trooper, to be honest....that was tough to listen to.

Dude, tell this guy that he's clearly playing the parts to Subdivisions. I mean sure, that big workstation keyboard he toured with in the past years could be used as a digital piano, synthesizer, and a sampler and he's definitely used the keyboard as a sampler a few times, but he most definitely plays keyboards on most synth songs.

You know, a lot of Rush fans claim that Presto was the album where "the guitar came back", I would more say that it was the album where the bass came back. The only Song that Geddy still played a main keyboard part (meaning no bass guitar, just synth bass) on was Show Don't Tell, every other song, the keyboard was just an accent and was sampled live. You sure about that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99P7uxHDpEc I don't really count Scars because that's clearly a slap bass that's being played on the album version. No clue why he didn't just play the bass part though. Because it wasn't recorded with bass. Clearly. https://en.m.wikiped...i/Presto_(album) Really? I find that rather odd, because it sounds just like slap bass.

I don't share a lot of the same opinions of most most Rush fans. Its not about being a contrarian, it's about just being honest with myself and what I like.

Unlike most Rush fans, I actually loved the ethereal chorus effects that Alex used in the Lerxst In Wonderland part during the Hold Your Fire tour. I think it worked a little better for the 80s sounds than the normal volume swells.

You know, a lot of Rush fans claim that Presto was the album where "the guitar came back", I would more say that it was the album where the bass came back. The only Song that Geddy still played a main keyboard part (meaning no bass guitar, just synth bass) on was Show Don't Tell, every other song, the keyboard was just an accent and was sampled live. You sure about that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99P7uxHDpEc I don't really count Scars because that's clearly a slap bass that's being played on the album version. No clue why he didn't just play the bass part though.

You know, a lot of Rush fans claim that Presto was the album where "the guitar came back", I would more say that it was the album where the bass came back. The only Song that Geddy still played a main keyboard part (meaning no bass guitar, just synth bass) on was Show Don't Tell, every other song, the keyboard was just an accent and was sampled live.

Lets just say a certain YouTuber who calls himself "the most honest person on YouTube" wouldn't know honesty if it gave him an uppercut to the f***ing jaw.

Unlike most Maiden fans, I really don't hate Maiden with Blaze, I think he was a decent singer and while X Factor and Virtual Eleven were considerably weaker than the albums that came before, (well maybe except for No Prayer For The Dying) there were still some decent tracks on those albums like Sign Of The Cross and Man On The Edge. In addition, the Blaze era also contained one of the most overlooked, underrated, and one my all time favorite Maiden tracks from the post-Adrian Smith era, Virus. Now let's face it, Bruce is by far a superior singer and showman, but Blaze did a decent job, I only wish Steve Harris would have agreed to tune down a half step so that he wouldn't have the problems he had on tour with his voice blowing out every few gigs. Paul DiAnno, I also think is a decent singer and I absolutely love his work on those first two Maiden records. Murders In The Rue Morgue and Iron Maiden being two of my absolute favorites. I love how gritty and badass his voice sounds, which definitely gave early Maiden an edge. But If I had to choose between the two, I really don't know which one I overly like better, both Blaze and Paul had their strengths and their weaknesses and both eras had songs I really like and don't overly like.

Now that's a pretty decent setlist :) A little more balanced with a few more 80s tunes mixed in! However, to me, Red Sector A is a bit more of a "middle of the set" song than an ending song. It is very cool that you included it, though! You'd probably be giving the Geddy impersonator a little bit of a rest from having the bass strapped on him for the whole show. If I could be so bold as to give you some more ideas, I would rearrange this setlist in a few locations.. Spirit of Radio Subdivisions Limelight Force Ten The Camera Eye Digital Man* Dreamline Territories** YYZ Jacob’s Ladder Set2 Hemispheres Prelude Tom Sawyer Red Barchetta Red Sector A Time Stands Still Closer to the Heart The Trees Xanadu Analog Kid Freewill Mystic Rhythms Red Barchetta The Enemy Within The Weapon Witch Hunt Freeze (Encore) Overture/Temples La Villa Strangiato In The Mood*** *=Sometimes replaced with Stick It Out or Show Don't Tell **=Sometimes replaced with The Big Money or Manhattan Project ***=Sometimes replaced with Working Man or Fly By Night

Have you even been on one? They're pretty fun :)

I know that everybody's like "Geddy's the best bass player in the world and only a somewhat good keyboardist, everybody would rather he play bass than just a few chords on the piano." I don't know, but to me it's kind of frustrating to see a man so talented and so amazing at multi-tasking between instruments opting to Milli Vanilli certain keyboard parts. Its not like in the 80s, he was using pre-recorded bass guitar parts, certain portions of the synth songs required synth bass, and not bass guitar.

One of the things I'm still wondering is that in the 80s, there was more than one popular genre of rock music. There was arena rock, the beginnings of power metal, thrash metal....if the goal at the end was relevance, there was clearly more than one path.....but in the end, they all chose to emulate the Flock Of Seagulls, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Kraftwerk and Gary Numan like sound.