fraroc

Fuck it's been that long? Jesus.

I thought the vocals were fantastic on this album. It's too bad that Max Bacon left the music industry, because I fully believe he should be the one fronting Styx right now.

It doesn't sound like he lip synced at all, however I do think that they might have borrowed some samples during the choruses. There are times it did sound like Max was singing.

NO U SUCK Anyway you do have a point though. Apparently both Steves ended up hating each other after their only tour was over.

I actually really like them. I always found that 80s pop/AOR that came from 70s prog musicians is just superb. Which is the reason why I love synth era Rush and 90125 is one of my favorite Yes albums. When The Heart Rules The Mind is one of my favorite AOR songs, It's very catchy, I LOVE the synth guitar parts from both Hackett and Howe, and Max Bacon's vocals on that album really remind me of Dennis DeYoung's. In fact, some people have actually told me that when they first heard When The Heart Rules The Mind when it first came out and thought that Styx had gotten back together :) It is a shame that Steve Hackett has always talked shit about this project, because it was really good. However, I do think their Achilles Heel was the live setting. GTR's initial appeal was the fact that even though it sounded like they had a keyboardist, those sounds were actually synth guitars. However while the 80s MIDI and synth technology was booming, it was also unreliable. The synth guitars would break down all the time and they had to get a keyboardist to tour with them, rendering the whole "synth guitar" shtick null and void. All in All, I think they were a great band and are way too hated by prog elitists.

I swear if it's another fentanyl OD I want to see that shit taken off the market. It has killed too many damn people

These past few months have not been kind to drummers.... First Steve Coy, then D.J Fontana, and now Vinnie Paul :(

that's just flat out false. Mick While I won't argue that the other members had creative input, at the end of the day, there was one ringleader in the whole group.

Ultimately in the end, porcupine tree was a solo project.

The tides are changing, my friend :)

Jesus H. Christ, Get a grip. No one here called him ugly, or even implied it. Sickly and unhealthy, yes. And yes, even in black and white his nose is a heck of a lot darker than it was just a few years ago. It's a form of rosacea called rhinophyma, and while it's not caused from drinking, drinking can certainly exacerbate the condition. So the drinking in retirement thing has been implied. Looking ugly though? No, sorry, you're wrong. And our opinions on how he looks have absolutely nothing to do with any degree of fandom. And for Christ's sake it's you're not your, and their not there. Attacking someone for trying to do their part for peace on this board? Real classy.

Your fuckingg hypocrisy on this Forum makes me sick. All the years on here you ripped me for my love of GHOST and now you love this band?????? You are truly the biggest troll on this Forum and you get a free pass you little baby faced asshole. Stick it where the sun don't shine. I am so fuckking done with you. You make me sick to my stomach. You are part of the reason I don't waste my time on here anymore. You won bitch. Hope you feel great about your arrogant, insecure and complete psychotic self. 73 has been nothing but wonderful to me on here over the years. But man, speaking about a brit punk ass like you and and the X rated crap you spew on here about your own personal sex life is repulsive. Yet you rip on me for going through a brutal divorce. Thanks for the support asshole. You are useless just like the music you really love. I Nightwish you away forever. Why don't you fuck off and leave Segue alone? I don't give a shit if I'm 3 months late, doesn't change the fact that was a very shitty thing to say to someone who hasn't done anything to you.

I find it absolutely hysterical how people whinge about how Kingdom Come and Greta Van Fleet stole from Led Zeppelin, and now the tables have turned and we're beginning to discover just how much Zeppelin stole from other artists.

good cuz they don't like u either!!111 I'm kidding of course :) But anyway, Kingdom Come has so many other great songs other than Get It On. The entire Hands Of Time album I feel, is one of the most underrated records of the early 90s.

Kingdom Come to me, along with White Lion, are one of the most severely underrated bands of the 1980s. Those first three albums they did (Kingdom Come, In Your Face, and Hands of Time) were absolutely phenomenal, especially Hands Of Time. However, this band had unfortunately became the subject of unfounded criticism and outright shaming due to the fact that their music was sonically similar to Led Zeppelin and is often used as an example of what Zeppelin would sound like if they got a new drummer and continued on into the 80s. It didn't help that Lenny Wolf denied ever being a fan of Led Zeppelin in the 80s and instead named Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, and AC/DC as influences. The most devastating blow to them was when Jimmy Page flat-out made an accusation of plagiarism against Kingdom Come in 1988. "Obviously it can get to the point where it gets past being a compliment and it can be rather annoying, when you've got things like Kingdom Come, actually ripping riffs right off, that's a different thing altogether." What do you guys think, did they deserve all this bashing? Or were they just an ordinary underrated hair metal band that got unfairly picked on by the media and fellow rockers?

Now next time name some bands we've actually heard of so everyone knows who you're talking about. Seriously be glad you don't know those bands,...because they are BAD.

1 Sexx Toyz by Brokencyde 2 Innocent High by Blood On The Dance Floor 3 Sexting by Blood On The Dance Floor 4 Pretty much every song by Larry Pierce

Because Rickenbacker isn't trying to give you Squier-level quality in exchange for Rickenbacker prices. That was Gibson's main problem. Epiphone quality guitars with a Gibson price tag.

I'm not getting into the new music versus old music shit-storm, because that's a never ending pissing match I don't need to deal with. Didn't someone else post a thread on Gibson bankruptcy? Oh yeah it was me. Gibson's problems boils down to a combination of these: 1. Less use of guitar in music, leading to less interest to play guitar by younger people. 2. De-worse-ification into goofy consumer electronics acquisitions. 3. Older Guitars being reliable and preferred by many musicians (guitars can last for years if properly cared for). 4. Gibson pricing it's models so that only the affluent (i.e. old guys with cash) can afford them. 5. Other excellent choices available in the premium Guitar market. 6. Solid inexpensive alternatives for beginner and mid-level players. 7. Inconsistent quality, even in premium Gibson models. 8. Cut-throat competition for razor thin margins in the music hardware industry. Combine all of these reasons and it can be summarized simply into a macro-level issue that people aren't buying new guitars as much as they have in the past. Regardless of size, they have many challenges and will need to make significant changes to survive. As I said in my other thread, don't be surprised if they actually eliminate some product lines that aren't as profitable. I have a good amount of young friends who play guitar both professionally and as a hobby, each an every one of them told me that they would rather put the money down for a Schecter or an Ibanez as opposed to a Gibson.

When Gibson announced that they filed chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, a lot of people in the classic rock/classic metal community saw a perfect opportunity to resurrect the whole "rock is dead/guitar music is dead and people born after 1990 killed rock n roll" meme again. Gibson did it to themselves. This is a direct result of what happens when you charge a huge amount of money for guitars that aren't worth that price. A friend of mine recently practiced on both a 2017 Gibson LP and an 2017 Epiphone LP and he was pretty hard pressed to find a difference between the two. One was $599 and the other one was $2,999. And we're surprised that Gibson is going through all these financial woes? While it is true that my generation has some truly repugnant music (shit like Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Blood On The Dance Floor, mumble rap as a whole) and that we've caused rock and metal's popularity to wane, we've also been taking measures in the past few years to reverse that trend. We've helped put bands like Ghost and Greta Van Fleet on people's radars. Ghost is a pretty popular live act with a large cult following throughout the world, and Greta Van Fleet day by day is getting more notaritey and support. However, 50-60 year old classic rock fans still continue to write their articles about how rock is dead, they've pretty much declared that Ghost and Greta Van Fleet suck by default just because they're new. Recently, I've learned that there really is no pleasing certain people in this community.

Not going to lie, I thought you were talking about Carlos Cavazo from QR and Ratt....

How can you possibly say Bon Jovi didn't have raise the bar? Would there have been a Cinderella or a Britny Fox, for example, without BJ? And you want to talk about rulebreakers, BF's baby broke all of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ZBKopvLI0 New York Dolls did it first and did it better. Name one song NYD did that the average person would know.

The awnser to this question is Vito Bratta and John Petrucci. Nuff said I'm in a bit of a "screw the man and f**k the rules" mood

I think Ted Nugent is the reason why I'm having trouble being around a lot of classic rock and metal fans. Do you know what it's like to be surrounded by people who take his dumbfuck comments as gospel?

I guess when it comes to modern bands, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Not true. Modern bands should be spending time developing their own sound, learning lessons from their influences without letting those influences define them, then writing timeless songs that people will connect with. If they do that well, they should at least find a respectable audience, if not possibly make an impact on the mainstream. Fraroc doesn't understand that rock and metal is thriving today...he equates success with high chart positions. Is a high chart position really that undesirable of a thing? It's completely desirable, but if you do actually view it as the be all, end all purpose of making recorded rock or pop music, then you aren't looking at it right. chart success is great when it happens (its effects on a band's later output are debatable), especially if the music behind it is still great. But here's the thing, history shows us many bands' best albums are released before they have a chart smash hit, and even if the chart smash is their best album, the albums released following that success are rarely as good from a musical standpoint, even if they're commercially appealing and become smash hits. This doesn't have to be true, but most music fans will agree it too often is, though they debate about which bands this actually happened to. Metallica is a great example since most fans are of the consensus that their decline in quality (for those that see it that way, sorry Segue) more or less coincided with their mainstream acceptance and the smash hit that still is the Black Album. Commercial success puts a bad taste in people's mouths because it often results in less quality music for fans of the original band. I think that's all besides Segue's point though. The point is that if your only determinant of success and quality is how well something does on the charts, you're depriving yourself a lot of joy in listening to great music that doesn't make it onto the charts. My album of the year last year spawned zero real hit singles and didn't make a lasting impact on the charts, but everyone who reviewed it and listened to it (myself much included) could not get over how incredible it was. Nobody really knows about MisterWives aside from maybe one song that isn't on the album they released last year, yet that album speaks to me to this day. I found out about MisterWives from a free iTunes single they released in 2014 and bought their debut EP because it was 6 songs for 4 dollars and I thought that was a steal. I really enjoyed it, but didn't enjoy the full album that followed quite enough to make a priority of buying it. It also didn't sell incredibly well despite the hype from the EP, so I didn't think I'd miss it much. Three years later they released a lead single that had me absolutely floored, followed by three more pre-album singles that eventually convinced me to pre-order a deluxe album package with a t-shirt and poster and connect the dots book I was so in love with what I was hearing. Nowadays I wish I'd bought the full debut album back when it came out. It's not as good as the second one, but I would've had that much more enjoyment of this band had I made a priority despite it not being that commercially successful. One of my other albums of the year last year was a one minute recommendation from my favorite youtube that I listened to on a whim and was absolutely in love with as well. It made like zero impact on the charts, but sounded like most everything I loved hearing in a pop rock band. Had I not been open to listening to something that wasn't making a dent on the charts, I'd have missed out on one of my favorite modern rock albums ever. It's not being averse to chart success that's preferable, Fraroc, it's having the courage to look past chart success to find great music that isn't getting the recognition it probably deserves. I think you and Segue are right. I mean, I love the band Daughter, and they're virtually unknown in the US. Whether they become top 40 or not doesn't change the fact that I genuinely love the music.