marshy64

QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Jun 17 2011, 07:50 AM) There's no way you can blame the band for this. You think that they have a say in how the sound in a arena is? Or that they are involved in the ticket presales? Thier job is to write and perform the music and nothing else. They can't help if the sound in the O2 arena is crappy that night just the same way that can't help if the sound is shitty when they play the arena in my town. If anything it's on the arena and Rush's soundboard guys for not fixing the problem. I seriously doubt that Rush is even aware that you sent an e-mail to Anthem. They are, after all, busy with a tour at the moment and more than likely aren't gonna deal with such petty complaints. They pay other people to do that. I'm not sure what you're looking to get out of this since you didn't make that clear. But there are some things you should just let go and move on from. This would be one of them How do I get a job on the Rush payroll? I fancy the one where you sit at a desk in Toronto looking at emails and ignoring them. Sounds like a doddle!! Tony R. You are a star! Good work on the Prog Archives pages mate. I see you are of a similar vintage to me. Do you have stubborn old git syndrome as well?! BIG MONEY GOT A HEAVY HAND BIG MONEY TAKE CONTROL BIG MONEY GOT A MEAN STREAK BIG MONEY GOT NO SOUL Marshy doesn't give in without a fight. Let round two commence! Laters......

Hello all I'm back!! 3 weeks have passed since my mauling on here over my comments about the O2 sound, ticket prices, allocation etc. One member wanted to know how pro-active Marshy was and suggested that I take my issues away from the forum and directed them more towards the band themselves. I took his advice. I emailed Anthem management about my disappointment and asked a few questions about the sound and poor tickets through the web pre-sale etc. I'm sure you are all dying to know what the response was? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Even a "go away you complaining little git" would have been nice! Am I at all surprised? Not at all! Lets raise a glass to a band and their management that really care about what fans think! Cheers Marshy. xxx

QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 29 2011, 04:05 AM) QUOTE (Undemanding Contact @ May 29 2011, 01:27 AM) QUOTE ... If you really want to stand up for your rights, and I mean actually stand up and not write a post on a forum... Hang on, there is a case for kicking up a stink about an important issue on a forum such as this. Points: a. As pointed out, a given forum exists in in order to facilitate free-voice on any issue that pertains to the focus of that forum. b. As others state reasonably on other threads in this forum: if you do not like the line a given thread takes, or the way it is developing, you can choose to ignore that thread. c. People who have the ear of Al, Ged and Neil, and who scan this forum in order to get a slice of what is happening at the grass-roots, will have caught the stink people have raised here, and that can be (in my view) only for the good. Going on my understanding of, say, Ged, I can imagine a conversation like this: Guy who has Ged's ear: 'Ged, the O2 on the 25th: from what I'm reading on the Internet, the sound for the punters up in the higher levels sucked. It seems that the problem is partly architectural, but I get the feeling that the sound engineers managed to cock it up despite that.' Ged: 'Shit!' Surely though, working on the assumption that one of Rush's inner circle MIGHT make their way here, to this particular thread, is time-wasting when there are avenues that WILL make their way to Rush/Management. Yes, the forum exists for the voicing of opinions related to the band and their shows, but the poster has made clear that he a/ wants something done about it and b/ wants more sympathy from other members. On the second point, if those members don't want to play ball surely they are within their 'rights' to be able to produce a counterpoint to a debate and continue engaging in said debate without being given the asisine comeback of 'If you don't like the content, don't look/post in here' (where would be the fun in a forum if topics only contained one side of everything). I've tried to make sure whatever I've written hasn't been the childish name-calling and mud-slinging that was seen earlier in the thread, adding something that furthers the discussion and even though negative gives marshy pointers where he can go next - contribution, rather than feeling like I have to ignore it because a said few want to beat their drum and not let anyone else play. That is the whole point of a forum after all, isn't it? Everyone being able to contribute in their own way. What I'm trying to say is, if the poster wants to get something done, while he could use this forum to do it there are different avenues that will probably get better results. It depends whether marshy is as proactive as he says he is, or whether he's pandering for the crowds attention. Funnily enough I have already emailed Anthem management and am awaiting a reply. I'm not holding my breath though Marshy. xx

QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 28 2011, 05:54 PM) QUOTE (marshy64 @ May 28 2011, 10:29 PM) QUOTE (ghengis @ May 28 2011, 05:09 PM) All I can say is that for the first time in my and my mates lives we walked out of a gig early because the sound was so bad - at least in 418 & later in 415. We even had trouble identifying tracks that we'd known and loved almost all our adult lives (30 odd years in our cases) We would have left at the interval but were advised by a member of staff to raise the issue with O2 Customer Services, which we did. They advised that they were aware of problems with the sound and would be trying to sort it for the second half and that if we could try and change seats we should - hence the reference to 415 above. The sound improved quite a lot initially after the interval but did seem to get worse again after a couple of tracks and we then decided that enough was enough and we left - bitterly disappointed. For those that say we should have got better tickets, shame on you. We paid our money same as everyone else and should have been able to get a better sound quality than that comparable to having your head stuck in the boot of some deaf drum and bass fan who's just bought themselves a new stereo. For those that say that I've only joined the forum to complain - then yes, you're correct. Isn't that the reason to have a forum, to voice opinion. If you don't like it then tough. If everyone had done their job properly I'd have no cause for complaint but someone somewhere didn't do what they were paid for. We've complained to the O2 who say that there is little they can do and we are now taking it up with the promoter - "kennedy street enterprises". kse@kennedystreet.com Hello mate. At last somebody else on here standing up for their rights and like me seeming less than impressed with the lack of support from the mainly brainwashed regulars on here. I understand their worship, but not to the point that as soon as you raise issue with anything they seem to want to lay down their lives for the cause. Bonkers lot they are, and boy did they give me some stick yesterday! Let me know how you get on and I will certainly take it up with the promoters as well. Good luck Marshy. The reason people are getting pissed is because you're moaning to the wrong people. Yeah, you had a bad experience. We get that. But we can't do anything about it. Stop flogging the horse. I sympathise, hence why I said about the venue research and the rep the 02 has with ticket prices, but there's not alot else you can do by complaining here. If you really want to stand up for your rights, and I mean actually stand up and not write a post on a forum, do what the other people are saying and e-mail the agencys and get something done. I'm all for better sounding venues, infact, I have a friend from uni who's chosen a career path in sound architechture so I've looked at stuff like that and it looks interesting to say the least. So push for that. At the end of the day though, why should the 'brainwashed' members waste their time in campaigning for a cause they don't believe in? If they had a great experience why should they continually support you and condolingly pat you on the back? I personally didn't hear the sub-par sound at the gig so I can't comment on your issues, and thus, get behind you because what I heard sounded awesome. Mr Mandalorian Hunter I am the sort of person who will bang on until I get some kind of feedback or an apology from somebody directly connected to the band. If this forum's threads are as quoted by another user fed back to the band, some or any form of feedback would be nice. If nothing comes. The feedback doesn't reach the right people or they just don't care!! In 1986 I turned up at an Iron Maiden gig in Ipswich that got cancelled on the morning of the show due to Bruce having a throat infection. The band knew that many of the fans not hearing the news would still turn up. So what did they do? Steve Harris and Nikko attended the venue to personally apologise. They had bought tickets for London incase anybody wanted a swap rather than a refund. They then took everybody to the pub for a pint!! Four days a later I received a tube in the post that contained a letter of apology and an autographed poster!! They went out of their way big style! I am by no means looking for the same from Rush. A comment of some description would suffice. Will it come or have they already RUN TO THE HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marshy.

QUOTE (Undemanding Contact @ May 28 2011, 08:27 PM) QUOTE ... If you really want to stand up for your rights, and I mean actually stand up and not write a post on a forum... Hang on, there is a case for kicking up a stink about an important issue on a forum such as this. Points: a. As pointed out, a given forum exists in in order to facilitate free-voice on any issue that pertains to the focus of that forum. b. As others state reasonably on other threads in this forum: if you do not like the line a given thread takes, or the way it is developing, you can choose to ignore that thread. c. People who have the ear of Al, Ged and Neil, and who scan this forum in order to get a slice of what is happening at the grass-roots, will have caught the stink people have raised here, and that can be (in my view) only for the good. Going on my understanding of, say, Ged, I can imagine a conversation like this: Guy who has Ged's ear: 'Ged, the O2 on the 25th: from what I'm reading on the Internet, the sound for the punters up in the higher levels sucked. It seems that the problem is partly architectural, but I get the feeling that the sound engineers managed to cock it up despite that.' Ged: 'Shit!' As the man said. The thread reads Disappointment at the O2! All of us that got a bum deal and that list seems to be growing, are airing our disappointment! Any members of the O2 happy brigade should look elsewhere or even start a thread about how great the sound was! I'm sure the promoters and the O2 will love you forever. As I said on another London link. There will come a time, maybe at the next Rush tour, especially if at the same venue, that many of you will get the crap sound treatment. None of you dare complain because the word hypocrite would be ringing in your ears all the way home!! By the way. Another theory of mine is... Because the vast majority now listen to their favourite band via a heavily compressed audio file on an ipod or any other mp3 player the bad sound from the O2 would have sounded heavenly to most of these people! Quality sound is lost on most people because they've never encountered it!! That should get the tastebuds going again!!!! Any takers? Marshy. xxx

QUOTE (hughes&kettner @ May 27 2011, 11:47 PM) next time, don't go- or buy a decent seat. [/quote] So if you complain you're a cry baby... How's constantly taking it up the arse without complaining working out for you guy? Since when have you not been permitted to complain about a shitty experience you've paid for? It's not like you can get your cash back if unsatisfied[/quote] it's called planning ahead...see- i LOVE rush, so as they are near the end of their touring carrer, i plan on seeing them with great seats- like last month, 3rd row- they were $200, i don't care cuz i don't spend that a month on cigarettes as you whiners do. i wanted to go see them and am smart enough to know where the good sound is in places i go see concerts, so blow me. bunch of whiney britts... assumes whiny brit voice: " waaahhh, the best band in the world is in my town...waaahhh, the sound, waaaahh, my seats waahhhhhh" you wouldn't need to complain if you planned ahead. go have a smoke. oh and i complain all the time...see when i saw them in cleveland last month," the crowd was too loud, i could barely hear the pristine sound coming from the PA"- note a hint of sarcasm? how 'bout: " i took me almost 30 minutes to get to our seats cuz they were so close the FREAKING STAGE!!" or this complaint" damn the sound was so loud and crystal freaking clear from our seats, and i now i have to hold this stupid alex lifeson guitar pick the rest of the night..." Some of you on here at some point are gonna get a raw deal at a gig, whether it's Rush or somebody else. The only great shame is that most of you can do absolutely nothing about it for fear of being a complete hypocrite! Marshy....

QUOTE (ghengis @ May 28 2011, 05:09 PM) All I can say is that for the first time in my and my mates lives we walked out of a gig early because the sound was so bad - at least in 418 & later in 415. We even had trouble identifying tracks that we'd known and loved almost all our adult lives (30 odd years in our cases) We would have left at the interval but were advised by a member of staff to raise the issue with O2 Customer Services, which we did. They advised that they were aware of problems with the sound and would be trying to sort it for the second half and that if we could try and change seats we should - hence the reference to 415 above. The sound improved quite a lot initially after the interval but did seem to get worse again after a couple of tracks and we then decided that enough was enough and we left - bitterly disappointed. For those that say we should have got better tickets, shame on you. We paid our money same as everyone else and should have been able to get a better sound quality than that comparable to having your head stuck in the boot of some deaf drum and bass fan who's just bought themselves a new stereo. For those that say that I've only joined the forum to complain - then yes, you're correct. Isn't that the reason to have a forum, to voice opinion. If you don't like it then tough. If everyone had done their job properly I'd have no cause for complaint but someone somewhere didn't do what they were paid for. We've complained to the O2 who say that there is little they can do and we are now taking it up with the promoter - "kennedy street enterprises". kse@kennedystreet.com Hello mate. At last somebody else on here standing up for their rights and like me seeming less than impressed with the lack of support from the mainly brainwashed regulars on here. I understand their worship, but not to the point that as soon as you raise issue with anything they seem to want to lay down their lives for the cause. Bonkers lot they are, and boy did they give me some stick yesterday! Let me know how you get on and I will certainly take it up with the promoters as well. Good luck Marshy.

QUOTE (Wartypig @ May 27 2011, 08:32 AM) Marshy first of all you're a sound perfectionist and all round Rush knocker , now you're a football pundit....Are there no end to your talents ? Are you Rodney Marsh ? ... I ask only because you talk as much drivel as him. (still working hard to reach my 6000 odd posts) OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Don't diss my old man. He was a top player. I have the rest of my life to get on with so this my parting shot and no as you will see there is no end to my talents! THERE IS TROUBLE IN THE FOREST AND THE OLDER FANS MIGHT FLEE AS I CARE I SCREAM "OPPRESSION" BUT THE BAND JUST SHAKE THEIR TREE WE NEED TO FORM A UNION DEMANDING BETTER SOUND BUT THE BAND MAY BE TOO GREEDY TO GIVE US VALUE FOR OUR POUND LETS PUT PAY TO LIVE DEPRESSION AND PASS A NOBLE LAW THAT RUSH MUST OFFER PERFECT SOUND AND NOT JUST ON THE FLOOR!! Take care my lovelies it's been a blast MARSHY.XXX

QUOTE (arctangent @ May 27 2011, 07:03 AM) QUOTE (marshy64) Honest and truthful. YES! honest is ok. truthful though? its not truth you are stating but your opinion. that's neither true or untrue as it is not a 'fact'. if that's how you feel fine but don't try and tell us its the 'truth' and don't expect everyone to agree with your opinion. a bit of advice - next time you decide to by tickets to an arena show, try and remember the logistics of the sound in such a place. in my many years of gig going experience sound is always set up to be best in front of the stage. which is why i never by tickets for this kind of gig that are not on the floor itself. if you are anywhere else don't expect the sound to be good (although if you are lucky and it is that's a brucey bonus). Arctangent. You have a point! Truthful was maybe the wrong word to use. Please read back what you have written and in a strange twist you are agreeing with my opinions! Who is responsible for designing and building these new arena's? If the sound is guaranteed to be crap apart from on the floor does this mean there will only be a couple of thousand there next time as everybody else has taken note? I take it then that next time around if it's the O2 and you don't secure floor tickets that you will be having a night in? Do you not think that is a sad state of affairs? This all goes back to one of my original points. If the band really cared more about the fans than the money, they would go back to smaller halls that they know offer great views and great sound. They could leave the fireworks and screens at home and charge a reasonable price. Is the spectacle and the income now more important than the music? Looks like a yes from where I am standing! What kind of animal I am or whether i'm not funny or a smartarse or even a stalker is immaterial. I have got you guys out of doing the washing up and got you communicating on here. Isn't that what it's all about. I've got you stoked up and talking!!! Sorry about the Liverpool comment though. I apologise now before the 18 league titles and numerous European cups get thrown in my direction!! Shankly was a legend who insisted that his players gave everything for the paying supporters and made sure that all the players new the fans were more important than anything else. The players knew who really paid their wages. When the yanks came in at Anfield it was all very different. They were only trying to make a quick buck and had no respect for the loyal followers or the history of a great club! It's easy to take your eye off the ball and start taking things for granted. Ring any bells?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marshy.

QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 27 2011, 06:39 AM) This just appears that someone's fuming because they didn't really do their research about a venue properly before buying. I could be mistaken, and the actual details didn't come up before the transaction was completed (in which case, more fool you, marshy), but if you're going to be spending an obscene amount of money surely people look into where they're going to be sitting, how far away it is, what the sounds been like at previous gigs (you've said yourself, the internet is full of opinions - so use it!) etc etc. Certainly saves alot of hassle that way. Hello chap. I got my tickets through the sites emailed pre sale link. I gave the details to my mate who was day off and he ordered the tickets. Having never been to the venue before I guess we had faith in the band securing the best tickets for the fan pre-sale! If we had waited 5 days until general sale we could have got tickets on the floor in one of the three front blocks. Perhaps you would like to enlighten me as to why the band saw fit to sell the cheap nasty seats at inflated prices to their loyal followers who got in first!!!!!? Hope you've got a good answer!? Marshy. xx