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Well folks, the TRUE TRF rankings for Moving Pictures' tunes have been tallied and calculated. 46 of you have ranked so thanks for that. I think it's a respectable sample and gives a good idea of what we generally think. So here's where the songs fall. Their calculated ranking average is in parentheses along with a few other stats below that. 1) Red Barchetta (2.6739) 2) Limelight (2.9782) 3) YYZ (3.7391) 4) Tom Sawyer (4.0869) 5) The Camera Eye (4.2173) 6) Witch Hunt (5.1086) 7) Vital Signs (5.5434) As I said in a previous post, every song was ranked in every position at least once but here are a few other stats... Number of #1 rankings per tune... RB: 12 Lime: 12 YYZ: 4 Tom: 4 TCE: 9!!!!...but it still placed only 5th due to the number of #5-#7 rankings it got. Tom just beat out TCE because of the volume of #3-#5 rankings that IT got. WH: 2 VS: 3 Number of #7 rankings per tune... RB: 2 Lime: 1 YYZ: 3 Tom: 3 TCE: 6 WH: 15! VS: 16!!! Red Barchetta has assumed control... http://www.kaliteliresimler.com/data/media/422/Ferrari-550Barchetta.jpg

Alright. This will pretty much be the same thing as JohnnyBlaze's TRF rankings post on Moving Pictures which finished earlier. Just rank each of the songs on Permanent Waves from 1-6, best to worst (though you really can't apply the word "worst" to a Permanent Waves song). And as hard as it might be to rank songs in really good albums, there cannot be any ties. Each will be tallied and averaged, and the final results will be released in 90 hours. My rankings: 1. Natural Science (you could probably guess this would be pretty high on my list) 2. Freewill 3. The Spirit Of Radio 4. Jacob's Ladder 5. Entre Nous 6. Different Strings Feel free to chime in with your own rankings.

Just a random number that popped into my head. God forbid we should be privy to the random thoughts that pop into your head. we pretty much already are.

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. What's the significance of the 74? Your mother's birth year?

I love Maiden, and Clive Burr is one of my all time favorite drummers - the first three albums with Clive on drums are untouchable for me, some of the greatest metal ever recorded .. I saw them three times in 1982, and while they went on to have huge success with Nicko, they never were quite as fiery or exciting ( for me ) after Clive left .. Ever since the 80s, I had thought that Clive Burr was let go because of his increasing reliance and issues with alcohol, to the point, as Steve Harris has been quoted, of having a "puke bucket" next to his drums during the Number Of The Beast tour .. Earlier this evening, I read another side of the story - that Clive Burr's father had died suddenly during the North American leg of the Beast tour sometime in '82, and Clive flew back for two weeks to be with his family .. In the interim, Nicko McBrain was supposedly brought aboard to fill in on drums ( Nicko was friends with Clive, and had actually worn the Eddie mask onstage at early Maiden gigs ) When Clive returned two weeks later, according to him, things weren't the same, and soon after, there was a band meeting and he was fired .. He said that the alcohol issues was completely blown out of proportion, and instead of stressing, he just accepted it and moved forward .. This is the first time that I have ever heard that Nicko played onstage with Maiden on the Beast tour .... My first question is for anyone who saw them in 1982 - esp for you X1YYZ, as I recall you said that you saw them in Oakland ( which would have been July 18th .... ) Did anyone see Maiden in '82 with Nicko on drums ??? I saw them June 30th, Oct 2nd and again on Oct 22nd of '82 - all those shows had Clive on drums .. I tried researching the exact date of Ronald Burr's passing ( Clive's father ), but came up with nothing .... By my estimation, the alleged Nicko shows would have fallen between July and Aug '82, which would mean the Oakland show was with Nicko, not Clive .. Any other thoughts and opinions would be great RIP Clive Here's the most in depth thing I could find: ... Before we get to how he started with Iron Maiden, and just how good they were with Clive powering them along, it’s perhaps more pertinent to address how it finished. This is something that has gnawed away at Clive for the best part of 30 years. Much has been written about his split from Maiden, during an exhaustive US tour in the summer of 1982. And most of it, he says dismissively, is hogwash. “I’ve heard the stories – that it was because of drugs or too much drink,” he says. “It wasn’t anything like that.” The truth, as it often is in cases of heavy metal musical chairs, is a bit murkier, a bit more acrimonious. It started with a phone call. He doesn’t recall where he was when he got the call, he just remembers that he had to get home to London. His dad, Ronald, had died unexpectedly of a heart attack. He was just 57 years old. A US road map dotted with gigs lay in front of Maiden, but at that moment it didn’t matter, he says. “I had to get home.” Everyone seemed fine with that, he remembers. Go home, they said. Be with your family. Clive flew back to London on Concorde. Maiden brought in former Trust drummer Nicko McBrain as a replacement so the tour could continue, the show could go on. Clive and Nicko were mates. No worries. Everything was cool. “I knew Nicko,” Clive says. Nice bloke. Good drummer. At a number of earlier shows, Nicko had dressed up as Eddie to terrorise the crowd. “He loved the band, he loved being part of it all. And the rest of the band liked him.” Clive was about to find out just how much. So Clive flew home, went to his father’s funeral, spent some time with his family, and two weeks later flew back to the States to join up with Maiden, who were criss-crossing America supporting Rainbow, Scorpions, .38 Special and Judas Priest. “I got back and I could tell something wasn’t right,” Clive recalls. There was a meeting. The atmosphere was tense. There was change in the air, and Clive, still numb from the loss of his dad, could smell it. “We think it’s time for a break,” they told Clive. And that was that. After the best part of four years, three albums – not just any old albums, either, but the three albums that many Iron Maiden fan will tell you remain the band’s best work – and suddenly the dream was over, just as it was all coming true. Everybody knows what happened next for Maiden. What happened next for Clive Burr was a case of dusting himself down and starting all over again. He was grieving for his dad. Now he was also grieving for his band and the job he’d dreamt of since he first saw Ian Paice playing Highway Star with Deep Purple. Back home in the UK the rumours were rife: it was the drugs that were to blame for his dismissal; it was the drink; that Clive liked the beer, sex and rock’n’roll just a little bit more than the others; that sometimes he had to play shows with a bucket by the side of his drum stool for when those hangovers became just a little bit too much... The rock’n’roll high jinks were getting in the way of the band, everyone agreed. Everyone except Clive. Thirty years on, he says it still smarts to hear it. He was never a big drinker. Sure, he’d have a brandy and Coke – a Courvoisier and Coke, “my roadie used to get it for me before we went on,” he laughs – but nothing too debauched. No more or less than anyone else in the band. “We were like schoolkids in America,” he says. “We’d never been there before and it opened our eyes. There was a lot of parties, and girls were throwing themselves at us. We’d never experienced anything like it.” Clive – the lad who had been voted teen magazine Oh Boy ’s Hunk Of The Month in July 1980 – lapped it up. “Of course I did. We all did.” And then it was gone. Clive flew back to London again, then on to Germany with his mum, and laid low. “I was too upset to feel angry about it,” he says. “There was a grieving period – I grieved for my dad and I grieved for my band – and then I brushed myself down and got on with it.” Just like that? “Pretty much, yeah. There was no real bitterness. Life’s too short. “It’s good to set the record straight, to tell my side of the story,” he says, “because it’s not widely known. I think if you’re going to sack someone, sacking them after they’ve just lost their father is not the best time to do it... I guess they had their reasons. So that was that.” fter Maiden, Clive played with a number of bands in fairly quick succession: Graham Bonnet’s Alcatrazz (that lasted a week), Trust (Nicko’s old band), Stratus, so-called NWOBHM supergroup Gogmagog, Elxir, Dee Snider’s Desperados. None of them would come close to matching what he achieved with Maiden. And yet for Clive it didn’t matter. “I just wanted to play. When I came home from Germany after Maiden, I used to put my hair in a hat, put some dark glasses on and play with anyone who’d have me, in the pubs around London,” he laughs. “I just wanted to drum.” ...

http://i.imgur.com/xqpVxqA.jpg Me 10,000ft up Mt. Teide in Tenerife earlier today.

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song.

That's the thing about these albums that are so good front-to-back, like PeW and MP. For example, I'd love to put a song like Jacob's Ladder at #1 because I find it absolutely terrific, but it's hard to when weighing it up against such tracks as Natural Science, Freewill, and TSOR. Just like on MP, I think a song like The Camera Eye could be worthy of the top spot if there weren't songs like Limelight, YYZ, and Red Barchetta in contention. Moral of the story: Rush are freaking amazeballs.

Geddy looks amused here!

I'm not tired of this yet...

Post a picture of your knees!!! http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb414/lyndseyg2112/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07/20160717_162055.jpg

In the end it was Vital Signs... When I first did the tally (before the last half dozen or so ratings came in) Limelight was in the #1 slot BUT Vital Signs was always in that #7 position Limelight had the limelight stolen from it but Vital Signs remained on life support.

Yeah thats pretty much how I always act tho.

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. What's the significance of the 74? Your mother's birth year? OUCH Why would it be shocking for a 42 year old Mom to have a 15 year old daughter ? WTF! Fist thing, my mom is not 42. Second thing, this is getting off topic. How old is she? I bet she's younger than Johnny Blaze! My own mother is younger than me!!!!

Looks like Different Strings is the Vital Signs of this album.

1. Nat Sci 2. TSOR 3. Entre Nous 4. Freewill 5. Jacobs Ladder 6. Different Strings yeah hard but easy. This is another near perfect album no matter what decade you want to put it in/. ;)

... x1yyz, I think you saw Clive We're sitting here trying to listen, and I am comparing the Oakland Number of The Beast to the 1983 Dortmund show with Nicko .. Just after Bruce sings "was someone watching me", Clive does a very distinct fill starting on the snare .. and the '83 show has Nicko starting that fill on the toms .. Not sure Nicko would have learned it exactly like the recording so early on, only to change it later ... You saw Clive

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. So. I like to type it like that. :D

I know a lot of people are going to go for Natural Science as their #1 song because it's prog epic length multi-section tune, but not me I'm just picking the best songs. 1. The Spirit of Radio 2. Freewill 3. Jacob's Ladder 4. Natural Science 5. Entre Nous 6. Different Strings

I'm not touching Permanent Waves because you assholes won't shut up about whether it's a 70s or 80s album! ;) Someone else can do the other albums. Basically, I just wanted to show that a REAL way to rank CAN be done for certain things. I actually went ahead and posted one for Permanent Waves. I know it seems hasty, but it might be my all-time favorite Rush album and I felt like putting it up. By the way, terrific job with these Moving Pictures rankings.

i always feel pretty happy whenever I listen to them. Celebrate the moment.

I hate this pansy "the boys" crap, these guys are almost 70, and you people calling them boys are about 50 so who's the boys? You lot, you're the fuckking boys! :madra:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/reedlover/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgfylijzf.jpeg Hello from Tenerife! Wizard hat not obligatory...

"I found my playing very, kind of, white man." :rfl:

I swear all she ever does is complain!!

True, but of course for many of us the band have been so important, it's hard to imagine life without them. I'm still hoping it's somehow not over. We in Europe never got a chance to say "Goodbye" If it's been this hard to imagine them retiring after 40 awesome years ... a lifetime really... Imagine what it was like for Beatles' fans in 1970? I mean, up until John died everyone was obsessed with them getting back together (and for some, even after that!). Imagine what a Beatles message board would be like in 1971... Talk about being in denial about a breakup! Haha!:) sorry just random Sunday morning thoughts...

You solved that like Columbo

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. What's the significance of the 74? Your mother's birth year? OUCH Why would it be shocking for a 42 year old Mom to have a 15 year old daughter ? WTF! Fist thing, my mom is not 42. Second thing, this is getting off topic. Nobody said that ... it was according to treeduck's math, and the prick's OUCH comment ( 2016-1974 = 42 ) Watch who you are calling a prick, m***********. ;)

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. What's the significance of the 74? Your mother's birth year? OUCH it's not even an "ouch" when you think about it: 2016-1974=42. 42-15=27. There's the math again!

Another perfect Rush album IMHO so unfortunately something's got to be #6. 1. Natural Science 2. Free Will 3. The Spirit of Radio 4. Jacob's Ladder 5. Entre Nous 6. Different Strings

I don't care about all that "prog epic multi piece" labeling stuff. I'm just picking the best songs too...and Natural Science is my #1. And it's my #1 Rush tune of all time to boot!

Just a random number that popped into my head. God forbid we should be privy to the random thoughts that pop into your head.

Honestly I'm surprised Red Barchetta made #1, even though it's what I voted for. I figured Tom Sawyer would end up in the top spot since it's always been a popular song with the masses.

"Spirit of the Radio" isn't a Rush song. So. I like to type it like that. Whatever floats your boat, 74Surrender. it is 74. So. I like to type it like that. :D :D I do not liked to be called that. Then I have to ask, why did you name yourself that? I just did. My favorite Cheap Trick song+ a random number Whats wrong with "Auf Wiedersehen666"??

Looks like Neil's been to the beach. Yes. Monosyllabic Mona. ;) That shadow behind Neil makes him look like he has a mullet! That was a good time for Neil. He looks great and very healthy.

The Spirit of Radio Jacob's Ladder Entre Nous Natural Science Freewill Different Strings TSoR is a runaway first place, JL, EN, and NS are a three-way tie for second. I love every song on this album; there are no bad ones!

Thanks for compiling the stats, JB! And, people, why so little love for Witch Hunt?!

I'm not touching Permanent Waves because you assholes won't shut up about whether it's a 70s or 80s album! ;) Someone else can do the other albums. Basically, I just wanted to show that a REAL way to rank CAN be done for certain things.

Has Neil actually said something like this? It seems like something he would never say, ever.

200) WKRP End Credits Theme Song - Jim Ellis (toymaker) 201) When the Whip Comes Down - The Rolling Stones (custom55) 202) When You're A Free Man - The Moody Blues (Lorraine) 203) You Sexy Thing - Hot Chocolate (Lucas) 204) Werewolves of London - Warren Zevon (goose) 205) Ace Of Wands - Steve Hackett (Self-Indulgence) 206) Travelin' Man/Beautiful Loser (Live) - Bob Seger (KenJennings) 207) Can I Tell You - Kansas (hemibeers) 208) It Keeps You Running - Carly Simon (Lorraine) 209) Must of Got Lost - The J. Geils Band (Super25Smasher) 210) Teenage Kicks - The Undertones (ReRushed) 211) Boys Are Back In Town - Thin Lizzy (Lucas) 212) M-m-m-my Sharona - The Knack (hemibeers) 213) Got The Time - Joe Jackson (Self-Indulgence) 214) Black Water - Doobie Brothers (Chronos) 215) South Side Of The Sky - Yes ( Lucas ) 216) The English Civil War - The Clash (laughedatbytime) 217) A Horse With No Name - America (Lorraine) 218) Spaced - Aerosmith ( custom55 ) 219) China Grove - Doobie Brothers (hemibeers) 220) 5:15 - The Who (Self-Indulgence) 221) That’s The Way I Like It - KC & The Sunshine Band ( Lucas ) 222) Making Plans for Nigel - XTC (ReRushed) 223) Death On Two Legs - Queen (Self-Indulgence) 224) Someone Saved My Life Tonight - Elton John (Lorraine) 225) The Core - Eric Clapton (custom55) 226) Telephone Line - Electric Light Orchestra ( Lucas ) 227) Great White Buffalo - Ted Nugent (goose) 228) Walk on the Wild Side - Lou Reed (bean-tor) 229) Pinball- Brain Protheroe ( Digital Dad ) 230) Sonic Reducer - Dead Boys ( Lucas ) 231) Joy to the World - Three Dog Night (Chronos) 232) Long Promised Road - The Beach Boys (ReRushed) 233) Glad/Freedom Rider - Traffic (Self-Indulgence) 234) All The Young Girls Love Alice - Elton John (Lorraine) 235) No Quarter - Led Zeppelin (Custom55) 236) Free Bird - Lynyrd Skynyrd ( Lucas ) 237) "I'm in You" Peter Frampton (Prog snob) 238) I Have Been In You- Frank Zappa (Digital Dad) 239) All The Young Dudes - Mott the Hoople (Lorraine) 240) I've Always Been Crazy - Waylon Jennings (liquidcrystalcompass) 241) RDNZL - Frank Zappa (Self-Indulgence) 242) It Don't Come Easy - Ringo Starr (Custom55) 243) Run Through The Jungle - CCR (Lorraine) 244) Tush - ZZ Top (bean-tor) 245) No Woman, No Cry - Bob Marley & the Wailers (ReRushed) 246) Ebony Eyes - Bob Welch ( Lucas ) 247) Basketball Jones - Cheech & Chong (Self-Indulgence) 248) Hold Your Head Up - Argent ( custom55 ) 249) Isn't It A Pity - George Harrison (Lorraine) 250) Take It Or Leave It - Foghat ( Lucas ) 251) The Last Seven Minutes: 1970-77 (Phase 1) - Magma ( rhyv ) 252) Rock 'N' Roll - Johnny Winter (Self-Indulgence) 253) Suzie Q - CCR (goose) 254) I Was Made For Loving You - KISS ( Lucas ) 255) Freeze Frame - Godley and Crème ( Digital Dad ) 256) Swingtown - Steve Miller Band ( Lucas ) 257) She - Kiss (Self-Indulgence) 258) What's Going On - Marvin Gaye (Lorraine) 259) Children of the Sun - Billy Thorpe (goose) 260) Night Moves - Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band

You mean you watched a periscoped show? yeah, a guy from the second row was periscoping it. No way in hell was I spending $360 a ticket

:( Didn't it go by fast? We did have fun watching those periscope feeds. Lots of complaints about dropped signals and half the time people didn't get the second set but it was a real bonding experience. Yes, it was. Even though I couldn't watch anything, I loved just being there and looked so forward to them. Yeah that was too bad you couldn't see them but the biggest thing was the camaraderie.

Theres nothing of the sort on that album. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call The King of Pain "pop drivel. King of Pain is one of my alltime favorite songs by anyone Me too. Me three.

Maybe Superconductor and Dog Years, since I enjoy them but they're super unpopular!

:( Didn't it go by fast? We did have fun watching those periscope feeds. Lots of complaints about dropped signals and half the time people didn't get the second set but it was a real bonding experience.

Happiest of Birthdays, T1! :)

Who would have it in them to walk away from a career at the height of it? I wouldn't have been able to do it. You'd want to cling to that for as long as it would last. I read that Sting, or maybe it was Stuart, said that the night they played at Shea Stadium before 70,000 fans, they knew they could never maintain that and, from that point on, it would be a slow (or rapid) decline. So, they pulled the plug on The Police. It helped that by that point they did, as you already said, couldn't stand one another anymore.

Sat out on a balcony, glass of red wine and a hires version Steven Wilson's remix of Close To The Edge swooping across my headphones. Sweet.

Is that Mrs. Tony? I don't think I've seen her before. What a pretty woman, and you are looking well, Tony! I was thinking they looked a lovely couple! Soaking up the sun is always good as well.

I agree. They're all great IMHO. Just varying degrees of greatness. 24 hours left before I make the final tally and calculations.