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The picture of "its a groove thing" is a great one. Love the way he is sitting on that stool.

I don't know several of these bands, but most I do know, unfortunately, and without exception I heartedly endorse their inclusion on any list that uses the word "hate." Re the Nirvana argument, I'm a pro-Nirvana guy and I don't even like the Seattle grunge thing much, apart from Nirvana. I resisted the allure because of all the hype until hearing Nevermind from front to back in a sailor's bar in Japan (maybe the environment had an influence). I remember thinking when I heard "Come as You Are" that it is the same note progression as "Eighties" by Killing Joke, and then thinking by mid-album that these guys are in a whole different universe than Killing Joke, or most any other band at the time (yet Killing Joke did successfully pursue compensation, a la He's So Fine/My Sweet Lord). Come As you Are, Drain You, Lounge Act, etc. the song writing is fantastic. And unlike other grunge artistes, Cobain wasn't some angst-ridden posuer; he really was f-ed up, and like Patti Smith and others, I can appreciate that authenticity in an artist that peddles angst (though I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, and it's nothing to glorify; it's a steep price to pay for art, obviously). For those who love the soft-loud-soft-really loud patterns of The Pixies or the The Wedding Present, Nirvana hist the sweet spot (no surprise that Steve Albini produced all three). Definitely deserves his status, whatever that exactly is. Pretty much 80% of my music listening in 1992 was My Bloody Valentine's Loveless and Nirvana's Nevermind, with the other 20% being Teenage Fanclub's Bandwagonesque. That was a mighty fine year.

Ok I'm not going with "Greatest Band Ever" but this is interesting. http://www.hooksandh...-greatest-ever/ 20 Reasons the Beatles are the Greatest Band Ever June 29, 2008 102 Comments http://www.hooksandharmony.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/beatles-four-heads.jpgEvery once in a while, I meet someone who just doesn’t get the Beatles, or who doesn’t even like them. I try to keep an open mind about this, since there are some groups that I simply don’t get, either (see myJoy Division issues). David Bowie? Yeah, I can understand that. Bob Dylan? Sure. But The Beatles? Come on. Here are 20 reasons why the Beatles are the greatest band ever: During the week of April 4, 1964, The Beatles occupied the top five positions on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart (12 in the Hot 100), the top 2 positions on the albums chart, the no. 1 position in the British singles chart, the first two positions in the British albums chart and the no. 1 position in the British EP chart, – the most complete domination of the British and American charts in history. Today, you’re lucky to have one top 10 album and single at the same time. To date, the Beatles have sold over 1 billion records. That’s billion, with a B. They have the most no. 1 albums in the British album charts (15), and 17 No. 1 hits. They hold the record for the group with the longest span between no. 1 albums in the Billboard albums chart (36 years and 51 weeks, 1964 to 2001). In 2000 – 20 years after John Lennon was killed, their greatest hits compilation, 1, spent eight weeks at no. 1 and sold 13 million copies in its first month of release. They boast 20 No. 1 hits in the United States, (19 No. 1 albums), with 24 consecutive Top 10 hits from 1964 to 1976 (six years after they broke up), a record for a group. They also have 12 no. 1 hits in Germany, 23 in Australia, 21 in the Netherlands, 22 in Canada, and 13 in Malaysia. According to the United World Chart, the Beatles have 16 of the 100 most successful tracks of all time, and also 7 of the 100 most successful albums in history. The Beatles recorded four of the Top 10 Greatest Albums of All Time, according toRolling Stone magazine, and three of the Top Five. (I will ignore the fact that Abbey Road was only No. 14. Blasphemy.) They were ground-breaking pioneers almost from the beginning, being the first group ever to employ feedback in 1964′s “I Feel Fine.” One of their first hits, “A Hard Day’s Night,” features an opening chord so revolutionary that people are still trying to figure out. 1965′s Rubber Soul and the follow-up, Revolver, saw more innovation, from the use of a sitar in “Norwegian Wood” to tape loops in “Tomorrow Never Knows.” Then there are the backwards vocals in “Rain” (a first) and a Moog synthesizer on several songs on 1969′s Abbey Road. Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band is arguably the greatest album ever made(indeed, it topped Rolling Stone‘s list). While it doesn’t have the strongest material, the album was a landmark in recording. It popularized the concept album – something that would serve as inspiration to The Who and Pink Floyd. “A Day in the Life” from Sgt. Pepper may have been the crowning achievement of the group – a five and a half minute song composed of two suites – one by Lennon, one by Paul McCartney – that are totally different in sound and texture, yet complement each other perfectly. The song features two cacophonous crescendos from an orchestra, the final one climaxing in a single E major piano chord that lasts 42 seconds. One may not like songs such as “Yesterday” and “Hey Jude,” but they are unrivaled in their popularity, and the melodies are unforgettable. Paul McCartney actually dreamed the tune to “Yesterday.” “Helter Skelter” and “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)” are considered two of the first heavy metal songs. They have 23 of the Top 500 songs of all time, again according to Rolling Stone - the most of any artist. Their iconic No. 1 singles notwithstanding (“Love Me Do”, “From Me to You”, “She Loves You”, “I Want to Hold Your Hand”, “Can’t Buy Me Love”, “A Hard Day’s Night”, “I Feel Fine”, “Eight Days a Week”, “Ticket to Ride”, “Help!”, “Yesterday”, “Day Tripper”, “We Can Work It Out”, “Paperback Writer”, “Yellow Submarine”, “Eleanor Rigby”, “Penny Lane”, “All You Need Is Love”, “Hello, Goodbye”, “Lady Madonna”, “Hey Jude”, “Get Back”, “The Ballad of John and Yoko”, “Something”, “Come Together”, “Let It Be” and “The Long and Winding Road”), some of their best songs weren’t even on any singles or B-sides: “I Should Have Known Better,” “You Won’t See Me,” “For No One,” “Across the Universe,” “Two of Us,” “Dear Prudence,” and “Because” are all just album filler. They revolutionized the science of recording, using multiple tracks instead of playing live. Producer George Martin used varying tape speeds to make Lennon’s voice sound high (“Tomorrow Never Knows”) and slow (“Strawberry Fields Forever”); he also brought in string musicians to accompany certain songs (“Yesterday”). In another session, McCartney utilized bass drums halfway down a corridor to achieve a staccato sound in “Mother Nature’s Son.” In an age where other people wrote songs for the flavor of the day – think the Brill Building songwriters doing all the work for the Shangri-Las and the Dixie Cups – The Beatles surprised everyone by penning their own hits from the beginning. As a result, they helped usher the singer-songwriter movement that popularized the late 1960s. Their ability to cross over from media and teen idols to musical innovators is one-of-a-kind. Their chart success is unparalleled; but despite their popularity, they managed to continue to improve throughout their career. Their place in popular culture is unrivaled – Their movies, their appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show (in which they played to 74 million people), the “bigger than Jesus” comment, the refusal to play in concert after 1966, the Maharishi, the painstaking production work, the beginnings of the drug culture and LSD fad, “Helter Skelter” and Charles Manson, the “Paul is Dead” phenomenon, Yoko Ono, the rooftop concert, the cover of Abbey Road, the subsequent solo years, and the hit singles created from rough demos of the late Lennon. They accomplished all this in seven years.

Today has been a very sad day - my brother and I went to put down our mom's old, sweet dog. There were unfortunate circumstances where my mom could no longer keep her, and the poor sweetie had been aging quickly and having bladder problems and not eating much. But she was still loving, happy to romp around the fields, and not quite ready to go, I think. This has been one of the hardest things I've had to do, and I feel terrible. Anyway. My point is I could do with some cheering up. And good old Geddy photos are good at doing that, so if anyone has any contributions they'd like to make, please feel free! Here is a nice one to get the ball rolling: http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq335/PetieLee/DSCF6964.jpg

'Better'? I don't know. Both are great bands. Both are very influential, and both have produced a lot of great music, and have done what they want to do (other than what the music corporation wants them to do). I grew up on The Beatles and didn't get in to Rush until my pre-teens, so I'll always have a special place for The Beatles as the music of my childhood - glad I had them and not popular-at-the-time 80's music. I think that for my own personal view, Rush is better. But to many they wouldn't be. I like that Rush has produced intelligent music, and prides itself on its musicality. I like that the members of Rush seem to be very decent guys with personalities and life outlooks that match my ideals quite a bit (if only Neil would stop smoking!) - The Beatles lost a bit of credibility when I learned about their drug use and rife between the band members. Thisi shouldn't add or take away from my enjoyment of the music, but for me, it does affect it. Rush just feels better to lsten to. I really like The Beatles, and the wide-ranging catalog they have produced that I enjoy, but Rush just takes me to a good place - I feel better listening to them. I think if I had to choose between never listening to either group again, Rush would be the one that I would keep. Another thing: I think The Beatles were in the right place at the right time. They had a lot going for them: the blossoming rock music scene they jumped onboard, their marketed looks and personalities, their catchy, well-crafted songs.... They were embraced as a hit. Rush has defiantly strided [is that a word?] along their own path, and won people over through their music alone. Their success is more of something pure and true, if this makes sense.Not to say that The Beatles are overrated - they are great in their own right - but that they had more going for them and so their success and popularity were easier.

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beatles are one of the best bands ever but I'm not gonna try and compare and contrast between them and rush. no point. both great acts for entirely different things. personally, I like rush's music more though

I'm getting tired of hearing people rave about how fantastic Beatles was. Yes they made some nice pop music, and rock music too. Most people forget how diverse their entire catalogue was. To me they were overrated and still is. Everything about Rush is better in my opinion; each member of Rush is a master of their trade whereas I think that each member of Beatles was mediocre, and together they created something good. But not great. Beatles doesn't float my boat at all.

Lovely shirt Frippy, don't you think? Mika, get on the ball and find out where Geddy shops. ;)

The Beatles. It's not even close. I adore Rush, but they'll never reach the dizzy heights of Strawberry Fields Forever, or side 2 of Abbey Road. They'd probably tell you that themselves. I'm not surprised by the poll though. This is a RUSH forum after all.

It's almost impossible to vote in this poll. I can't say this or that band is better. So I'll go with... Rush - best band in the clockwork universe. The Beatles - best band across the universe.

I personally think that anybody that puts Moving Pictures out of the top 3 or so is doing it because we are all so burnt out on it. If we heard it again for the first time everybody's jaw would hit the floor all over again:)

Their first three albums with Dio are awesome. Didn't care much for them once Dio left and they became generic pop in the 80s.

I like what is in the jeans...I know...I'm bad. :drool:

Yes, great shirt!!!

He did? The Berklee Collage of Music. It's a craft store down the block from the Berklee College of Music. That's it. Petrucci was the barista in the cafe part. He did a mean half caf macchiatto with a caramel twist. Even with his humoungous He-Man biceps, he had the touch of a delicate princess when it came to the ol' caffeine.

He did? The Berklee Collage of Music. It's a craft store down the block from the Berklee College of Music.

The Beatles had an advantage of being in the right place at the right time, for sure, but it was because they were musical geniuses that they were as popular and influential as they've been. Yes, Rush are better technical musicians and are brilliant, but you just can't underestimate the sheer power of crafting songs that speaks to a generation and continues to speak to people the way The Beatles have on the level they have. The funny thing is, I was listening to a Beatles song this morning after I saw this thread. It was the song Two Of Us from Let It Be. I tried to think of any Rush song that could compare in terms of melodicism, accessibility and message, and the only song I could really think of was Closer to the Heart, and MAYBE Tom Sawyer. Don't get me wrong, I LOOOOOVE Rush, and personally they are my favorite band, but they don't come anywhere close to The Beatles in terms of melody, accessibility, profundity, influence and importance. I rarely agree with the hippy, but dammit, he nailed it.

Heartbreaker Coup de Grace Lost Woman Blues End Of Time Do You Believe Death Machine Dust And Glass Going To Mexico Silence When You Speak To Me Crying Shame Queen Of The Damned Knife Keep Your Powder Dry Paralyzed Out on Oct. 22 in the US.

What kind of nobgobbler would say that the Beatles were overrated? I don't even like them but man people are real stupid on this forum. Now if the poll said "Who do you prefer..."

I don't think music is a generational thing. It's a good music/bad music thing.

I would have to say "Feedback". I just listened to it the other day and it is so good. The band had just come off of an emotional record release and tour with "Vapor Trails" and "Rush in Rio". My thought is they were catching their breath and looking back to where they came from before deciding where to go next. It sounds to me, from this album, that were just having some fun for nostalgia sake. I just love the results. This album really has grown on me since it's release. http://www.spburke.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Rush-Feedback-291180.jpg

I can't be objective about this debate. The Beatles defined my musical world. Rush is simply a part of that world.

One more time... http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq335/PetieLee/DSCF6964.jpg

Mika, I feel so bad for you I could cry myself. I know exactly how you feel. I could write a book with my experience with cats. It would be a best seller. Some of the things I have had to do, some of what I encountered how other people treat their animals, is enough to break the hardest and coldest heart. You have my sympathy and if you want to unload, you can send me a PM.

Thanks so much for posting all of these "GEDDYLICIOUS" pics, ladies!!!!!!!! :drool: :drool: :kisshug: :clap: Pictures of our GORGEOUS GED absolutely fill me with delight......and the effect lasts all day!!!!!!!!! :ebert: :banana: :geddy: :fury: :drool:

Well, I searched for Captain Kirk and Miley Cyrus and didn't find it. Can't read every thread! You don't have to, but you could at least look at the first page of the subforum you're posting in to see if it's already been posted. Stop excusing your own laziness. Fine, I was trying to post something entertaining. Sorry I didn't do it perfectly. Some people need to lighten the f*ck up. I posted it twice, I didn't search for it long enough. Boo f*cking hoo. Ooo touchy touchy. Making mistakes is okay. Making excuses for mistakes is not. ;) Whatever. My intent was :poke: Grumpy. Now go troll some. That seems like your kind of pick-me-up.

Lots of drunken shitheads over the years at a lot of different shows. Most recently, a drunken asshole that fell into my cousin and her son at Sabbath on August 24th at The Gorge. Also 2 drunken assholes at the same show that tried to crowd us and stand in front of us later in Sabbath's set after we had waited in line for an hour before the gates opened and claimed that spot all evening. Look shithead, either get there early enough to get a good spot or fukking sit at the back (GA lawn and we were way down in the front of that area). They didn't realize that there were 5 men in our group but we let 'em know they weren't staying. :-) The common theme here is "drunk". Look, I enjoy a beer or two at a concert but for God's sake how much fun are you really going to have shitfaced on your ass at a show?

I'm not going to watch that link, although I'm sure it's funny, I'd have to endure a segment of Miley's performance which I won't do, no offense to the thread maker.

the one that says "bassist" and "it must be the prog rock issue" is like the picture where his nipple is hanging out

Jack: I didn't know you darker people went in for foriegn jobs. Reggie: Yeah, well, I had no choice. Some white asshole bought the last piece-of-shit sky blue Cadillac.

Ahh.. Breakfast With The Beatles. One of the most popular programming segments/shows on FM radio in the United States. ;)

A huge idiot fanbase for my fave thrash band...damn! Absolutely! The majority of Slayer fans are complete douchebags I know dude, they definitely have the worst :( there are slayer fans and then there are SLAYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR fans, and every metalhead knows the difference

Pretty much says it all. We all can shout Rush's praises from the rooftops to whomever will listen, and we've all been brought to tears and laughter and sheer goosebumps by our band. But let's not be blinded by our adulation. The Beatles changed rock music and pop culture as we know it. Many musicologists see them as 20th century rock equivalents to the great classical composers. Rush today is light years from what they were in 1974, but they've arguably stayed within their niche. The Beatles went from "I Want to Hold Your Hand" to "Across the Universe" in seven years and along the way shaped entire generations of people around the world. Pose this question to the members of Rush adn see what a patronizing smirk you'll get.

You know thats an interesting and funny question. Are Rush better than the Beatles.. Rush are undoubtedly my fav band who've had an amazing impact on my life these guys who ive never met are like family to me, but... Are they 'better' than the Beatles? Course not. Dont be silly.

She's too busy living her life to come in here and talk to us weirdos.... :boohoo: Nothing major happened. I just became wicked inspired to start my own business and got carried away with it. I've been thinking about TRF the whole time though and missing everyone. Looking forward to trying to catch up.

I don't know about the Beatles getting us to where we are today. I think they definitely got the ball rolling and got us out of the 60's and into the early 70's sound but after their break up many other bands picked the ball and ran with it. Yes took what they started into the progressive arena. Jimmy Hendrix added a much harder edge which was later perfected by bands like Zepplin and Sabbath. Floyd and the Moody Blues expanded on their orchestrations and theatrics. I guess Zepplin handed off the ball to RUSH where they combined it with what the Progressive bands had developed earlier in the 70's creating Progressive Metal which has now influenced bands like Dream Theater, Fates Warning and Queensryche to name a few. However, Beatles did have a more profound influence on the music world. Influencing many different aspects. If the Roots of rock and roll were the Blues, The Beatles would definitely be the Stem from which many other genres emerged. :codger: Think about how many bands in the late 60s, 70s, 80s have said that seeing/hearing the Beatles made them know what they wanted to do with their lives. And anyone after that was influenced by bands that were influenced by the Beatles. Even the idea of touring and merchandising was changed by them. Of course, they had their own influences and musical heroes but they really put it together and created magic.

I've seen a lot of posts here and there about Beatles being in the right place at right time. Has there really ever been a band with the amount of great songwriting as the Beatles? Even if they're not your cup of tea it's hard to argue that they're overrated. They would have been successful at any point IMO. Individually or together they had hits in 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s and paul has still had success in the 2 thousands. The real magic wasn't the timing, it's how did paul, George, John (and ringo) end up finding each other?

In my opinion Rush is better, hands down. They are better musicians and songwriters, that's for sure. Yes, the Beatles had a greater influence on rock music, but I believe that came about more because of the time they were around; with rock music in its infancy in the early 60s it was much easier to make an impact. Besides, I never liked the Beatles and I have loved Rush for years.

I listen to Rush way more, so I guess I'd have to say yes. The Beatles are definitely legendary, but they're just not heavy enough for my liking.

I don't like these comparisons but I am the lone not better vote so far. The Beatles were instrumental in getting us from where we were in 1962 to where we are today.

Today it's: 1. Caress of Steel 2. Hemispheres 3. 2112 4. Moving Pictures 5. Clockwork Angels 6. Fly By Night 7. A Farewell to Kings 8. Permanent Waves 9. Roll the Bones 10. Vapor Trails 11. Test for Echo 12. Signals 13. Rush 14. Grace Under Pressure 15. Presto 16. Power Windows 17. Hold Your Fire 18. Snakes and Arrows 19. Counterparts Tomorrow it will be different.

I love the Beatles, and they were monumentally important to music. But much of this depends on what we mean by better. I generally think of bands by musicianship, song writing ability, and influence. Rush obviously wins in musicianship, and the Beatles obviously win in influence. On song writing, I feel that Rush did more and for much longer, so I put Rush ahead by a nose.

amongst rush fan circles, pretty much anything after 1982 is underrated I think. the synth era as a whole is especially underrated - I get it, I love loud guitars too, and I love the 70s stuff, but I think their synth era stuff is almost as good as the 70s/early 80s stuff. not as heavy of course, but it's great music anyway. there seems to be a sentiment among lots of rush fans that anything the band did between signals and counterparts didn't even happen, but I think if you really pay attention to some of those records you'll hear some fantastic shit. at my last rush show, me and my friend were the only people who stood in our section during the synth-era part of the set. I don't get it - what's wrong with synthesizers? outside of rush fan circles, every album the band has ever made is underrated except 2112 and moving pictures.

I think that person was very lucky that Geddy not only didn't tell him to get lost, but stood for this picture even when being accosted during what should have been his private time in clothing (or the lack thereof!) that clearly made him feel self-conscious. Either he really IS that nice a guy, or he's afraid people will start talking about him like they do Neil! ;)

You can have her. I find her to be gross.

We're having a cookout at work today, and one of my co-workers said, "I think two brauts would probably fill my ass up." We've been teasing him about it ever since.

My hair isn't this dark but yeah this is me. EDIT: Oops sorry this is such a giant picture!

Well just as long as that one fired news intern guy doesn't get the job of setting it up for him, I'll be happy. Just imagine: THE TREES --------------- THERE IS UNREST IN THE FOREST THERE IS TROUBLE WITH THE TREES FOR THE MAPLES WANT MORE SUNLIGHT AND THE OAKS THINK SUM TING WONG

I didn't read your list too closely, but from what I've seen you post about the Clockwork Angels album, I'd have thought "The Garden" might have made it on there. Or did I miss it? I don't hate CA, but despite repeated attempts to get into it, and even after seeing the material performed live a couple months ago, I just don't like it much. I like the storyline and the artwork and the attempt at another concept album but between the disjointed music with the cluttered sounding production and Geddy's aging voice and total inability to compose great melodies and hooks, it's since been relegated to coaster status. The Garden opens up nicely, but I'd like it much better with someone else singing. Geddy's voice just annoys me when the chorus kicks in. He has little range or power left.