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I agree. Taking sides is stupid. I want Steven Wilson to make the music that he wants to make. If that means that he'll reform PT next year, Great! If that means that his solo career will remain his main focus forever, Great! If that means that Bass Communion will put out 20 studio albums by the end of the month, Great!

Agree with what you say, except I don't think Geddy does falsetto, just really high-pitch... like when his eyebrows shoot up (I think someone once said this is a good drinking game - pop on the TM dvd and take a drink everytime the eyebrows appear over his glasses) when hitting the high notes. I'm trying to think right now of any example of Geddy falsetto, but I'm coming up blank - there are a few notes in Snakes and Arrows, because of his kind of yodel-y style on a few songs, I think.... And this is one thing that I really admire Geddy for - he doesn't do falsetto. All those high notes - that's his chest voice, if I'm using the singing term correctly, and he is thus able to be extremely powerful at very high notes. It's not a singing trait shared by many, it seems. And to further expand on Geddy's singing: he has a very nice voice. He's got a great tone to it (probably because of the nose!), and it sounds good either as 70s near-shrieking or modern mid-range. And he is very consistent as a singer... he is always very spot-on and sounds very good, whether live or in the studio (though, yes, the live singing tends to be more strained lately and as tours wind on). There are some very good live bootlegs where I honeslty didn't know if certain songs were album versions or live versions, and I may not be agreed with here, but 'Digital Man' is one example: I happened to have the Snakes and Arrows Live version on my ipod mixed with the album version, and the first few listens I didn't know which was which until I got to the ends of the songs. (Also, I wasn't incredibly familiar with the album version at that time....) Oh, I can't say enough good things about Geddy's singing voice! There is definitely something about it that makes me feel happy. I wonder how he considers himself as a singer, as he has been none to say that he considers himself a bassist first, a vocalist second, and keyboardist third. Well, obviously bass is going to be first for him, but I wonder if he thinks he's at least a very decent singer....

Holy shit, so THAT'S why I trip over my testicles every now and then... (Not EVERY GODDAM DAY just every now and then.) :P Just try not to sit on them. :laughing guy: I've never sat on "them" but I did sit on the edge of just one of them once... and I got up really fast. Didn't you screeeeech when that happened? Hey, maybe that's what Geddy needs! Think about it...''spinning, whirling, still descending (sits on saggy balls) LIKE A SPIRAL SEA UNENDING!!!!''.

A brilliant, sorely underrated band. Wonderful music.

Mara really has let herself go! Sorry Mara, it's just for fun!

One of my favorite vocal albums from Ged is My Favorite Headache. That is when he started experimenting with falsetto on the song "Still" (one of my faves) and carried it over to Vapor Trails, using Falsetto in the choruses of OLV, Secret Touch, ect. He then used falsetto in "Heart Full of Soul" on Feedback and on some songs from Snakes and Arrows. Falsetto is really just another tool in the toolbox for a singer - It's a fairly recent thing for Ged and nothing he ever uses to compensate for diminished ability. I love that he experiments vocally, particularly late in the game when he could have easily rested on his laurels. Clockwork Angels is definately more straightforward, but man, it's a great vocal performance through and through - and he can still bring it live. I just listened to a bootleg from the Chicago show and his vocals are fantastic.

I can't see Geddy with a thong on. Remember... "he sleeps with his clothes on". hehehe Come to think of it..!

Funny that you bring this up - earlier today I was watching a clip from a concert and heard a bit of 'Secret Touch', and I noticed this too... it does sound like a dip into falsetto during the "The way out is the way-ay-ay in" part, but I think this is the only part, and maybe not on the Vapor Trails album, though I'd have to listen to it again. And I'll say it again: I'm impressed that Geddy can reach vocal heights in his full chest voice that many others have to go into falsetto to reach. Can you imagine Rush with any other singer? :o And TBR - you flatter me! :) It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when someone says something nice about me! :) Weakly Criminal - thanks for the link! I'd come across that before, and it's good learning, for anyone interested in singing. You know, when Geddy finally hangs up his vocal chords, the music world is really going to lose an awesome vocalist. Nobody else sounds like him (though I'm sure someone could prove me wrong on this), and no one will replace his unique voice. Again, I think it's the nose! :) Oh, and there was some talk about having someone onstage squeeze Geddy's... onions. If a volunteer is needed, here I am! :) And TBR - you flatter me! :) It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when someone says something nice about me! :) Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... I'll give you a huge fuzzy hug all the way from Ontario to BC!

Marginal? I'd say it was mostly excellent. Yeah, I just can't get into it. I tend to like harder rock any ways and since The Incident, SW has not nothing I would tell my friends about. In fact, the Incident was 3 of 5 stars to me. PT will just be a good memory for me now.

PT is as dead as the squelchy stuff between Sin City's ears. Trust me, Andy Leff said so.

so cute! I want one! With shipping, costs and quarantine, how soon can I get there?! :D

Funny that you bring this up - earlier today I was watching a clip from a concert and heard a bit of 'Secret Touch', and I noticed this too... it does sound like a dip into falsetto during the "The way out is the way-ay-ay in" part, but I think this is the only part, and maybe not on the Vapor Trails album, though I'd have to listen to it again. And I'll say it again: I'm impressed that Geddy can reach vocal heights in his full chest voice that many others have to go into falsetto to reach. Can you imagine Rush with any other singer? :o And TBR - you flatter me! :) It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when someone says something nice about me! :) Weakly Criminal - thanks for the link! I'd come across that before, and it's good learning, for anyone interested in singing. You know, when Geddy finally hangs up his vocal chords, the music world is really going to lose an awesome vocalist. Nobody else sounds like him (though I'm sure someone could prove me wrong on this), and no one will replace his unique voice. Again, I think it's the nose! :) Oh, and there was some talk about having someone onstage squeeze Geddy's... onions. If a volunteer is needed, here I am! :)

he does have a point, unfortunately Yes doesn't have the devoted and vocal fan base that RUSH has. Which might be the difference in this equation. Here's to us! :clap: :ebert: :clap:

:( I wish you the best of luck in trying to get the board back up, or restarting it elsewhere :cheers:

Here's a couple of fairly recent (2010/2011) cool interviews with AH: http://www.namm.org/library/oral-history/allan-holdsworth And: Fusion, rock and something else By DAVID BRINNLAST UPDATED: 11/10/2010 22:40 Eddie Van Halen has said that Allan Holdsworth is the best guitarist around. Next week, the progressive rock/jazz fusion beacon will strut his stuff at Tel Aviv’s Reading 3. Allan Holdsworth Photo: Courtesy So much for the glamorous life of a touring musician, even one as highly acclaimed as Allan Holdsworth. The 64-year-old British guitarist and composer is holed up in a hotel in Bratislava, Slovakia after a seven-hour drive and a multi-hour delay at the border crossing ahead of his show there that night. “I can’t do this anymore man, I’m too old,” the soft-spoken Holdsworth said. “The tour arranger we’re working with now is generally pretty good about travel. We used to work with a promoter in Italy who used to book for shows with nine hour drives in between, so we got a new promoter. But now, this one’s slipping right into the same pattern. I hope I get some rest in Israel.” Holdsworth was referring to his band’s upcoming show in Tel Aviv on Sunday night at Reading 3, his first visit back to the country since appearing over a decade ago at the Red Sea Jazz Festival. One of the unsung guitar heroes in the world of rock and jazz, Holdsworth has enjoyed an illustrious career, performing with ‘70s progressive rock pioneers Soft Machine and Gong, fusion great Tony Williams’ Lifetime, and arena jazz/prog/rockers UK, as well as recording with Jean-Luc Ponty, Jack Bruce and Bill Bruford before launching an eclectic solo career in the late 1970s. The albums came fast and furious in the 1980 and ‘90s, with Holdsworth perennially being named on the ‘top guitarist’ lists. But since 2000’s The Sixteen Men of Tain, new albums have given away to incessant touring and regular session work, both necessities brought on by a nasty divorce that he says left him nearly destitute. “I lost my house and my studio – it was a typical disaster,” he said of the divorce ten years ago. “It took me 10 years to get back on my feet. I bounced around for a long time sleeping on friends’ couches. Since I didn’t have a studio, the only way I could earn any money was by playing on other people’s records or by being on the road, so I could never finish any of the records I’ve started.” Claiming he has enough material for two new records, Holdsworth said that he plans to take six months after the Tel Aviv show to finally get into the studio with his band, including long time drummer Chad Wackerman, who began playing with Holdsworth on his 1983 solo EP Road Games. That album was made after Eddie Van Halen heard Holdsworth and raved about him to his label Warner Brothers, who then signed him to a contract. However, the Grammy-nominated EP proved to be a bone of contention between the freewheeling Holdsworth and the hit-hungry record company and Van Halen producer Ted Templeman. And today, he looks back at the record as the nadir of his career. “I see it as one of the worst records I ever made, I don’t like anything about it,” he said, while defending Van Halen to the hilt. “He’s a fantastic guy, lovely, very generous Anything that went wrong was nothing to do with him, he was just trying to help.” “On the one hand, it was Warner Brothers trying to mold me into something I’m not, but on the other hand, it was sonically awful. I had a run in with Ted Templeman, who was never around but still dictating to everyone what was going to be on it, where it was going to be recorded, how it was going to sound. And he made it an EP – there were only six songs on it and they sounded like shit. It was just screwed.” BUT IT did provide the setting for Holdsworth first connection with Wackerman, who has remained the one constant in his life ever since. “I was trying to find a drummer and I crossed paths with Frank Zappa who told me, ‘oh, you should check out this guy.’ So when I held some auditions, I invited Chad. We just improvised, just me and the drummer, we didn’t play any songs at all. I know that people can learn to play certain music, you can learn anything, but I wanted a guy I could feel comfortable playing with. And with Chad, it was like, ok, you can stay. Even today, there’s always surprises when we play together, which is great.” That need for surprise and improvisation led to Holdsworth’s short stint with UK, the late-1970s progressive supergroup featuring Yes’s Bruford, ex-King Crimson John Wetton and ex-Roxy Music Eddie Jobson. Holdsworth was brought in by his mate Bruford, after the guitarist appeared on the drummer’s solo album in 1977. “I really enjoyed making the record with them, and I really liked all the guys,” he said. “But John and Eddie wanted our live shows to be regimented, the same song list and same solos every night. I just said ‘no! I don’t even know what I played on the record, how can I recreate it?’ It became a little tense, but it was alright, they were all good guys and we decided it would be better if I split.” Holdsworth’s love of freestyle playing derived in part from his days working with jazz legend Williams, whom he says taught the then-young guitarist a valuable lesson. “He never told me what to do. He would kind of leave me on my own to figure it out. He’d say, ‘this is the tune, this is the piece of music’ and that’s it. He wouldn’t say play it this way or that way,” said Holdsworth. “You can dangle in your own rope that way, but I learned that from him and survived. And when I started working with other musicians as a band leader, I would choose someone whose playing I liked and I would never tell them what to do. They interpret that in different ways, and sometimes it comes out like you want it and sometimes it doesn’t.” That uncertainty and the edginess it brings with it is good enough reason for Holdsworth to brave the seven-hour drives and the flights to Israel. And it’s also a good reason to check out one of the guitar greats of the last 40 years. http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Music/Article.aspx?id=194800

My favorite Nicholas Cage joke:

80-90 pages worth of Joesamaniac - ah, such a loss to thread-dom. Hmmm... I need to get meself an avatar pic. Maybe I'll change the shuttle one I used at CP to the one Moop gave me at TriNet. :laughing guy:

Not only is he packing but it looks like he gets packed too.

This is one of the funniest f***ing posts I've read in a while! :LMAO:

:musicnote: "As if to flyyyy...!" :musicnote: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb414/lyndseyg2112/4688D66B-8EB3-4733-90E1-EA7B9689FF07-1993-0000014763F53B67.jpg

Ha! That's clever. Reminds me of http://www.socialpaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Why-Would-You-Click-On-That.jpg :laughing guy:

...some men hunt for sport, Others hunt for food. The only thing I'm hunting for Is an outfit that looks good. See my vest, see my vest, Made from real gorilla chest. Feel this sweater, there's no better Than authentic Irish Setter. See this hat, 'twas my cat. My evening wear, vampire bat. These white slippers are albino African endangered rhino. Grizzly bear underwear, Turtle necks I've got my share. Beret of poodle on my noodle it shall rest Try my red robin suit, It comes one breast or two... See my vest, See my vest, See my vest. Like my loafers, former gophers, It was that their skin I chose for, But a greyhound fur tuxedo would be best... So let's prepare these dogs, Kill two for matching clogs! See my vest! See me vest! Oh, please, won't you see my veeeeeesst!

Maybe you and snowdogged should get a room. Maybe you should learn to listen to some constructive criticism. I mean... This is a public forum.

Holy shit, so THAT'S why I trip over my testicles every now and then... (Not EVERY GODDAM DAY just every now and then.) :P Just try not to sit on them. :laughing guy: I've never sat on "them" but I did sit on the edge of just one of them once... and I got up really fast.

I Geddy http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8248279279_1df642c46c_b.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8062/8248279173_fe40049751_b.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8478/8248278905_080b1d6347_b.jpg These pictures by pforne, on Flickr

You mean there isn't a pic of Geddy in a thong..?

Geddy can still sing, maybe not like he used to in the seventies, but so what, Rush is still a working touring band 38 years after their inception. Geddy still has the energy and presence of a teenager, and it is an amazing quality. They work the songs for Geddy voice now and they still sound amazing. Vocal chords change over time but the energy of Rush has not.

Your answer lies within your question, grasshopper. http://youtu.be/fULNUr0rvEc

Justin Hayward is not an apt comparison. Ged regularly sang an octave and a half higher, and with amazing projection and strength. Never got to see Dickenson live so I wont comment. But he never sang as high as Ged. I saw RJD in I think 2006 and he skipped a couple of his most popular songs. They were the most difficult ones. I have to assume he just couldn't do it live anymore. He sounded great though. Again, VERY strong voice, but never approached the range of Ged. Take Robert Plant; the best rock vocalist ever IMO. He never could repoduce live what he did in the studio. Ged could back in the day. Did you hear the LZ reunion? He didn't even try to do the high-strong stuff. Keep in mind that live albums are recorded under optimum conditions.

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Like Moving Pictures, it's their " best " album as far as that signature sound of the band, but it's arguably not their best, if that makes any sense.

But there still seems to be a certain bias towards early-Seventies prog rock bands like Yes and King Crimson I assume he means "against". Not sure why the Hall hates prog so much.

Ok... :drool: *thud*

The Necromancer has been played live back in 1975 and in 1977. Anyway the setlist for the Down the Tubes tour was as follows: Bastille Day Anthem Lakeside Park The Necromancer By-Tor and the Snow Dog Working Man-> Drum Solo In The Mood enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur9djRTkYP8

I will be there no doubt it they play red rocks